The Confederate flag should be taken down and burned.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Yes. Personally, I find it offensive that they fly the american flag too. It flies in the face of freedom and the veterans who gave their lives in WW2 to free Europe from Nazi oppression. I am old enough that I have uncles that died in that war. I have not forgotten.

originally posted by: eriktheawful

Only the US and SC State flag fly at the top of the dome. The Confederate Battle Flag is flying on a pole at the Confederate Solder War Memorial.

Well that bit of info just completely changed my position on the matter. I really didn't care either way before learning that. Now I whole-heartedly feel that flag should stay put.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: eriktheawful

Only the US and SC State flag fly at the top of the dome. The Confederate Battle Flag is flying on a pole at the Confederate Solder War Memorial.

Well that bit of info just completely changed my position on the matter. I really didn't care either way before learning that. Now I whole-heartedly feel that flag should stay put.

I was going to chime in with this. The flag USED to fly on the capitol building, back in.... 2000? The last time there was a huge argument about this. And it got moved to a memorial on the grounds in an attempt to pacify both sides, which I think is appropriate. I haven't heard anything notable about it in years until this shooting happened.

I think focusing on the flag is lazy at best when we need to be more concerned with getting people like this the mental help they need before they do something stupid, and finding out where he got these ideas in the first place since it seems he may have been associated with South African Apartheid beliefs. What if he was part of a regional group who acted out, and we're beating a dead horse about a flag instead of finding out about other potential problems before they happen?

-SC resident

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Spider879

John Brown may be the greatest American in history a real hero who died as a white man to save black people.

This brave man was a true martyr and Americans of all stripes should know of his sacrifice but they don’t because he fought and died fighting the evils of this countries slave system AS A WHITE MAN


They don't ever want to popularize that

To die for your own kind as a hero is one thing but to die for the rights of others is in the true spirit of Christ


This man was a true Christian and fighter for freedom that the Alex Jones types should be praising to high heaven

Amen to that, i'd rather have him as a proud representative for one of my ancestors than any of the blacks that choose to donned the grey knowing full well what the fight was really all about.

originally posted by: Greven
Uh, I think you were watching Dukes of Hazard wrong. It was making fun of Southerners, quite a lot.

Uh, why don't you tell us all something that we don't already know, uh.

The new one was making fun of the show even more so, but the old one had some drama combined with comedy. ~$heopleNation

a reply to: muse7

All I see is a colored cloth hangin on a stick.

Sorry if someone already posted this but, flag was designed to symbolise White supremacy, well according to this blog below.

The Second flag, adopted two years later as combat raged, features the “rebel cross” we’re familiar with, but only in a small corner. It’s largely white, and was called “the white man’s flag” by its designer W.T. Thompson. Thompson was delighted to have his design adopted by the Confederacy, claiming that it symbolized the “superior race.”

www.candidslice.com...
Klik the link for more.
If this blogger is telling the truth, then anyone who is offended by it's use on government property outside a museum should stop paying taxes until it is removed, I can't see why anyone would want a blatant symbol of white supremacy flying over their heads sponsored by their state and local government with their tax dollars for the last time I checked Black Carolinians and Georgians are taxpayers too.
fly it on your lawn or on your car...free speech U do U!

or although not the moral equivalent then fly this, the UNIA flag with equal billing although we will get back in that ol separate but equal thingy that didn't work out too well for BLK folks.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: buster2010

Where does it state that the FLAG means RACISM or SLAVERY though?

What part of the flag represents the Confederacy is too hard for you to understand?

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: buster2010

Where does it state that the FLAG means RACISM or SLAVERY though?

What part of the flag represents the Confederacy is too hard for you to understand?

The ALABAMA battle flag IS NOT the CONFEDERATE FLAG. The CONFED flag has a HUGE white part. THAT is the one Specifically designed for the RACIST thought. The ALABAMA flag does not. The 13 stars are for the 13 colonies,the bars are to say cross us out of your union. It dont STATE SLAVERY ANYWHERE IN IT. Actually learn about th e subject instead of just jumping in to bash southerners or americans any chance you get.

ALso ITS NOT FLYING ON THE STATEHOUSE ANYMORE. Its on a War memorial. LEts remove all flags from all war memorials then right?

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Greathouse

It's also a symbol of betrayal to the United States. A war didn't need to be fought over States Rights and let's not pretend that the rhetoric used by the Secessionists wasn't all about slavery and "how can they say the negro is equal to the white man?"

Cmon...

Are You KIDDING??? It was betrayal to the United States by the northerners that led to the declarations of secession...

Jaden

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Greathouse
There is a misconception about the Civil War. The majority of southerners that fought in it did not own slaves. To the common people it was not so much about slavery as it was to states rights .

You might want to tell all the southern racists that now.
Unfortunately, even though that might be true from a historical perspective, that flag is now predominantly about racism, hate, ignorance and the threat of violence.

As someone else has said, the only place for that flag is in a museum, to commemorate exactly what you say it meant back then. That is no longer what that flag represents. These people have done this to themselves and they have tarnished what that flag meant for a lot of people.

Having said all of that, I think the flag is now going to become even more divisive, and I think it should. People flying it are now making a conscious choice to be associated to what it NOW represents. Regardless of what people want to selectively claim it means, to the consciousness of the nation it represents the worst of racist America.

If people choose to keep displaying it knowing what it now represents to most people, they deserve all the condemnation they get.

Why just the Southern Racists? You wouldn't want the racists in the rest of the nation to have this bit of information?

originally posted by: Masterjaden

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Greathouse

It's also a symbol of betrayal to the United States. A war didn't need to be fought over States Rights and let's not pretend that the rhetoric used by the Secessionists wasn't all about slavery and "how can they say the negro is equal to the white man?"

Cmon...

Are You KIDDING??? It was betrayal to the United States by the northerners that led to the declarations of secession...

Jaden

YA know according to that persons view the US flag is a traitors flag too.

originally posted by: SheopleNation
So does this mean that I will not be able to watch reruns of the old classic Dukes of Hazzard? I mean Bo & Luke's car the General Lee, had a Confederate Flag painted on the top of it, and on the front license plate.

I remember my black neighbor friend would spend the night, and we would watch that and then Bill Bixby classic Incredible Hulk right afterwards.

The flag never bothered my friend, and he even had the General Lee toy car just like me, which had the flag on the top as well.

Course I did notice that the new Dukes movie years ago with Johnny Knoxville, it didn't have the flag on top of the General Lee, not even on the license plate if I remember correctly.

What we got today, is just a bunch of self entitled, whiny crybabies. Always crying about something. ~$heopleNation

Hollywood had to take their dig... The flag DID get painted on their car (unbeknownst to them) and then they got berated in Atlanta traffic for it...

I liked the movie other than that part. I hate when Hollywood perpetuates B.S....

Me and my wife tried to watch the netflix show sense8. Too gay political for us... They made the show too much about gayness for us to make it past the second episode...

Jaden

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: pfishy

The States' Rights Democratic Party (usually called the Dixiecrats) was a short-lived segregationist political party in the United States in 1948. It originated as a breakaway faction of the Democratic Party in 1948, determined to protect what they portrayed as the southern way of life beset by an oppressive federal government,[1] and supporters assumed control of the state Democratic parties in part or in full in several Southern states. The States' Rights Democratic Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and white supremacy in the face of possible federal intervention. Members were called Dixiecrats. (The term Dixiecrat is a portmanteau of Dixie, referring to the Southern United States, and Democrat.)

The party did not run local or state candidates, and after the 1948 election its leaders generally returned to the Democratic Party.[2] The Dixiecrats had little short-run impact on politics. However, they did have a long-term impact. The Dixiecrats began the weakening of the "Solid South" (the Democratic Party's total control of presidential elections in the South).[3]

The term "Dixiecrat" is sometimes used by Northern Democrats to refer to conservative Southern Democrats from the 1940s to the 1990s, regardless of where they stood in 1948.[4]

Wikipedia

And I thank you kindly. So, they were a break-away group from the party that filibustered Civil Rights legislation, correct?

a reply to: RickinVa

come on man there was a huge difference between a slave and an indentured servant. indentured servants could see freedom in their lifetimes and they chose to work for free in exchange to pay off debts, slaves were kidnapped and forced over here (yes sometimes by their own people) and were slaves for generations. the fact that you were starred so many times just shows the ignorance of some people.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: buster2010

Where does it state that the FLAG means RACISM or SLAVERY though?

What part of the flag represents the Confederacy is too hard for you to understand?

And following that logic, we should stop flying the American flag because we start wars, allowed slavery for some time, etc. I would rather do with the Confederate flag what we should do with the American flag...take it from those bad ideas and make it ours again. Or in the case of the Confederate flag...make it the southern people's again. Lets not get into a mind-set of "this reminds me of something I don't like...therefore...ban it". There are a lot of things I don't like but I don't call out for them to be banned.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Much better idea.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: buster2010

Where does it state that the FLAG means RACISM or SLAVERY though?

What part of the flag represents the Confederacy is too hard for you to understand?

And following that logic, we should stop flying the American flag because we start wars, allowed slavery for some time, etc. I would rather do with the Confederate flag what we should do with the American flag...take it from those bad ideas and make it ours again. Or in the case of the Confederate flag...make it the southern people's again. Lets not get into a mind-set of "this reminds me of something I don't like...therefore...ban it". There are a lot of things I don't like but I don't call out for them to be banned.

In the best of cases the confederate flag represents succession. Which is by definition treason. The constitution put in place the election system for political and tax disagreements. I'm a southerner. I know the civil war was fought over taxes not to free the slaves. Freeing the slaves was a military strategy to create problems behind enemy lines. But the point still remains, it's about succession which is treason.




I grew up and have lived in the south the vast majority of my life. In all that time I have never met one "historian" sporting the confederate flag. Everyone I've ever met has been doing it for racial reasons. Not necessarily every person was a racist. But everyone was doing it to show they were not intimidated by blacks.



Southern highschools are a different experience then other regions. There the racial makeup isn't the national average 60% white/13%black/27%everyone else. There it's about 55%black/40%white/5%other.

That creates an environment where white males are outnumbered by black males. Blacks who on average have better fast twitch muscles and a stronger social structure.

Well, high school in the south's (at least in the 90's) "popularity contest" was almost totally based on who could beat who's @$$ and who could get the most friends to fight for them. So this gave the black kids a very distinct advantage. An advantage some (like kids of all races do) used to bully and pick on weaker groups.


So the confederate flag became a symbol of not being afraid of the black guys for some. Not every red kneck who sports it is necessarily racist. But they all have it as a "white pride" symbol. Not a historic thing.

Uhh... well, I'd say it's a great point that it represents conflict and division and has no place in or over a taxpayer paid office... just like religious symbols.

That said, people who like it should fly it as they want, on private property... nice shorthand for who to avoid. I see that flag, I immediately subtract 20 IQ points from anyone associated with it... as is my right, too.

State's rights... bah... most know what that really means in code-speak... and most state's governments don't exactly out perform the feds or deserve bragging rights... both can be inept, but if they want to bask in mediocrity, swell.

I'm not for ignoring problems or knee-jerk PC pronouncements... but I sure get it in this case.

OH NOOOOO!

We have a problem, burn the flags hide the statures of confederates and the 41 signers of the declaration of Independence.

How many of the signers of the Declaration of Independence owned slaves? 41

www.mrheintz.com...

and

How many presidents owned slaves?

twelve of our presidents owned slaves and eight of them owned slaves while serving as president.

Ok so the White House must go