Is it time we worked together yet on our "gun problem"?

a reply to: elysiumfire

I, nor anyone I know, has committed a firearm related offense. Why do you want to deny us our rights? We've done nothing wrong.

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: Answer

If you include suicide by gun or 60 per cent of gun deaths and accidental death another 3 per cent you exceed your 33000 figures are FBI's

I addressed that in my post so obviously you didn't read it. Suicides are irrelevant and they're used to pump up the numbers.

The U.S. suicide rate is lower than many countries where guns are not available so bringing guns into the mix is a deliberate scare tactic. Remove guns and those become suicide by knife, hanging, falling, etc.

originally posted by: KawRider9
a reply to: elysiumfire

I, nor anyone I know, has committed a firearm related offense. Why do you want to deny us our rights? We've done nothing wrong.

Some Muslims are terrorists, therefore all Muslims should be punished. That's pretty much the gist of it.

a reply to: Answer

Its not irrelevent if you come home to see your sons brains plastered all over the living room wall

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Good god, man, what sort of propaganda are they feeding you?

Good God, Man! Where are you getting your propaganda? Take a look...www.gunviolencearchive.org... and only half way through the year.

Personally, I think one full grown adult being shot dead is one too many, but kids as well, that nails it as far as I'm concerned.

You definitely shouldn't argue gun control...

Whose arguing gun control? I don't want that, I want guns removed out of ownership, I want them fully confiscated. I am not here to debate the issue. Gun owners do not have an argument to support their claim. Once the 2nd amendment is repealed, it removes their right to own a gun. No argument, no gun, equals a more peaceful and safer America. It's not rocket science.

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Some Muslims are terrorists, therefore all Muslims should be punished.

Wow! Ludicrous as well as ridiculous. You think the Muslim angle helps your argument...it doesn't. The only really bad Muslim is the one committing terrorist acts. You are happy to shoot them dead. Hell, Americans go to their country to do it.

I'm sorry. But the shooting to death of people is unacceptable, so it is better to remove the right to own guns, and then remove them out of circulation. It's an inconvenience I know, but you'll come round to the idea.

The whole thing is hypocritical.

Gun owners claim they are okay with legislation that would help fix loopholes or gaps in laws that allow for guns to end up in the hands of the wrong people (like someone mentally ill/unstable) and yet the moment the government even begins to suggest that is what they are going to do, gun owners start claiming that the government is coming to take their guns away and the legislation must be stopped at all costs.

Have any of the gun owners in this thread have any of their guns confiscated? Have government officials show up at your house and demand you forfeit your weapons over? I can already predict the answer and it is no.

If changes are going to be made, they have to start somewhere. We can't keep passing the buck and hiding behind tired idioms that guns don't kill people, people kill people.

a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

If the TRUTH is correct that s all that need be spoken.

Washington D.C. has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the U.S. but has more murders committed with firearms than any state.

There's a comparison that nobody wants to make when talking about "gun violence" and it has to do with overall crime rates due to poverty. More people get shot in areas where there is high poverty and high crime.

Flint, Michigan
Detroit, Michigan
New Orleans, Louisiana
Jackson, Mississippi

Major poverty, major crime, highest number of murders. The vast majority of those murders are due to gang-related violence... criminals shooting other criminals.

If I were like some of the people posting in this thread, I'd bring race into the mix to say "people like this are the biggest problem" but I'm looking at the bigger picture instead of focusing on the easy way to point a finger.

Blaming gun owners as a whole for the behavior of criminals is completely idiotic.

What a waste of time it is to legislate to keep guns. Just legislate to remove them, and that will be job done. Of course, many will cry lots of tears and gnash their teeth to the gums, but hey, the sound of a tantrum is better than the sound of a gun going off.

a reply to: cavtrooper7

So I guess if I commit vehicular homicide in the future, I could say that it *technically* was not me that killed the person, it was my car?

Like I said, it is just passing the buck.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
The whole thing is hypocritical.

Gun owners claim they are okay with legislation that would help fix loopholes or gaps in laws that allow for guns to end up in the hands of the wrong people (like someone mentally ill/unstable) and yet the moment the government even begins to suggest that is what they are going to do, gun owners start claiming that the government is coming to take their guns away and the legislation must be stopped at all costs.

Have any of the gun owners in this thread have any of their guns confiscated? Have government officials show up at your house and demand you forfeit your weapons over? I can already predict the answer and it is no.

If changes are going to be made, they have to start somewhere. We can't keep passing the buck and hiding behind tired idioms that guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Nonsense, there are already laws in place.

Any gun owner who pays attention to the existing laws and the repeated attempts at sweeping regulation knows that the "sensible" steps are never sensible.

When the existing laws are not working, how will MORE LAWS make a difference? They don't effectively enforce the current laws and those regulations do nothing but add hassle for law-abiding citizens.

There is no discussion to be had. The anti-gun crowd ruined their chances for that when they kept trying to chip away at gun rights while hoping nobody noticed and calling sweeping bans and insane regulation "sensible steps."

originally posted by: elysiumfire
What a waste of time it is to legislate to keep guns. Just legislate to remove them, and that will be job done. Of course, many will cry lots of tears and gnash their teeth to the gums, but hey, the sound of a tantrum is better than the sound of a gun going off.

If you think there would be tears and gnashing of teeth, you clearly do not understand the American mentality.

Keep your nonsense ideas in your own country and let us worry about ours.

a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

75 per cent of US weapons homicides are hand guns,the gun used in Charleston was a 13 round 45 pistol,can I get such a pistol in Australia yes I can but I have to be a member of a sports shooters association.I cannot have a mental health or criminal history,I will have to answer a questionairre about why I want the gun.If I fail I wont get it,I will have to wait a week to get the gun and attend a safety course with it once I get it.I will have to store it in a safe with the ammunition stored separately,the gun will be registered .I will have to pay about $90 per year for a liscence and use it 6 times a year at the gun club...yes its a pain but there has been no mass killings with a pistol since 1998 when these laws were introduced

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Blaming gun owners as a whole for the behavior of criminals is completely idiotic.

Who is blaming gun owners? It is a fact that because of the uncontrollable gun rampages occurring too often, and too many lives being wasted, the only option is to take the decision to ban gun ownership outright and remove them out of society.

Why would you do this? Because it is a step in the right direction. It is a step that says the lives of Americans are more important than a low right to own a weapon.

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Nonsense, there are already laws in place.

Yes, but they don't take guns off the street, so they are a waste of time.

originally posted by: elysiumfire
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Some Muslims are terrorists, therefore all Muslims should be punished.

Wow! Ludicrous as well as ridiculous. You think the Muslim angle helps your argument...it doesn't. The only really bad Muslim is the one committing terrorist acts. You are happy to shoot them dead. Hell, Americans go to their country to do it.

I'm sorry. But the shooting to death of people is unacceptable, so it is better to remove the right to own guns, and then remove them out of circulation. It's an inconvenience I know, but you'll come round to the idea.

Blowing up people is unacceptable... so it's better to ban the religion of Islam so we can get rid of the problem.

The only really bad gun owner is the one committing murder.

If you can't see the parallels, it shows how truly out-of-touch you are with the issue. Don't try to tell me that my lifestyle is irrelevant, pointless, and worthy of eliminating just because you don't like it. It is NO DIFFERENT than you telling a Muslim to give up their faith because of terrorist acts or telling a homosexual that they need to just accept being straight because you're uncomfortable with their behavior. Get that through your thick skull and quit acting like my opinion is irrelevant.

What you're advocating is a direct attack on my lifestyle and my beliefs. Period. Furthermore, you don't live here so your opinion is irrelevant. Worry about your own political issues and keep your nose out of ours.

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If you think there would be tears and gnashing of teeth, you clearly do not understand the American mentality.

You're already crying, now. When will you start the teeth gnashing? Perhaps, you don't gnash your teeth, perhaps you'll throw yourself to the floor screaming..."I want my Gun. I want my Gun!"

originally posted by: elysiumfire
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Nonsense, there are already laws in place.

Yes, but they don't take guns off the street, so they are a waste of time.

Because they aren't enforced.

I can't help it if what I'm saying is going over your head.

Gun laws are designed to deter crime and remove guns from the hands of criminals. They don't work because they are either unenforceable OR they aren't enforced by choice.

originally posted by: elysiumfire
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If you think there would be tears and gnashing of teeth, you clearly do not understand the American mentality.

You're already crying, now. When will you start the teeth gnashing? Perhaps, you don't gnash your teeth, perhaps you'll throw yourself to the floor screaming..."I want my Gun. I want my Gun!"

Now you're just trolling against me personally.

Typical when someone runs out of rebuttals...