Programmers...Could it be done in 6 Days if Virtual Reality?

If the world was a virtual environment for created free willed life forms could it be done in the days stated in ancient texts? Could it be done with a pattern already made?

Points) Persons who were shown the whole of creation need change form, they can be shown not only the beginning of all things but the end far in the future.

Points) A pattern is used and it is preserved as the original of all creation.

Points) Time does not exist in the realm of the creator only in the realm of the created.

Examples from www.marquette.edu...

Moses

Then having taken him up into the mountain, he hid him in a cloud and took him out of all earthly things... and he gave him a new birth as if he were a child in the womb... and revealed to him all that he had done in making the world in six days, showing him in six other days the making of the world, performing in his presence the work of each day.... (Cosmas 3.13)[30]

When Philo described the apotheosis of Moses on Sinai he said that he entered the darkness where God was; ‘...the unseen, invisible, incorporeal, and archetypal essence of all existing things and he beheld what is hidden from the sight of mortal nature’ (Moses 1.158). This is what the Qumran texts describe as the raz nihyeh, (4Q300, 417), what 1 Peter describes as ‘the things into which angels long to look’ (1 Pet.1.12).

Elsewhere Philo explained that this invisible world was made on the first day of the creation
.. a beautiful copy would never be produced apart from a beautiful pattern... so when God willed to create this visible world he first fully formed the intelligible (i.e. invisible) world in order that he might have the use of a pattern wholly God-like and incorporeal in producing the material world as a later creation, the very image of the earlier (Creation 16)

The ability to see the future the veil between the holy and most holy as a divider between our reality and the creator.Both real and symbolic

When Ezra asks about the LORD's future plans for his people, he is assured that the One who planned all things would also see them to their end. Everything had been decided ‘before the winds blew and the thunder sounded and the lightning shone, before the foundations of paradise were laid and the angels were gathered together, before the heights of the air were lifted up and the measures of the firmaments were named, before the present years were reckoned’ (2 Esdr.6.1-6). Ezra is told that everything was planned in the holy of holies, before time.

The visionary saw history depicted on the veil, on the other side, so to speak, of matter and time. This probably explains the experience of Habakkuk, centuries earlier, who stood on the tower, a common designation for the holy of holies[11], and saw there ‘a vision of the future, it awaits its time, it hastens to the end, ... it will surely come it, will not delay’ (Hab.2.2-3). He recorded what he saw on tablets.

2 Baruch, on the other hand, says that Moses on Sinai received a vision rather than instruction and that it included knowledge about the future. He showed him.. ‘the end of time...the beginning of the day of judgement... worlds that have not yet come’ (2 Bar.59.4-10 c.f. 2 Esdr.14.4). Something similar was said of Jesus by the early Christian writers Ignatius of Antioch, Clement of Alexandria and Origen: that he was the high priest who had passed through the curtain and revealed the secrets of the past, the present and the future

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History seen in the sanctuary, whether this was described as a tower or as Sinai, was history seen outside the limitations of space and time and this explains why histories in the apocalyptic writings are surveys not only of the past but also of the future as everything was depicted on the veil.

People need a new form to visit god or heaven

In 2 Enoch there is an account of how Enoch was taken to stand before the heavenly throne. Michael was told to remove his earthly clothing, anoint him and give him the garments of glory; ‘I looked at myself, and I had become like one of his glorious ones’ (2 En.22.10). This bears a strong resemblance Zechariah 3, where Joshua the high priest stands before the LORD, is vested with new garments and given the right to stand in the presence of the LORD. As late as the sixth century Cosmas Indicopleustes, an Egyptian Christian, wrote a great deal about the temple and its symbolism, and we shall have cause to consider his evidence at several points. Of Moses he said: the LORD hid him in a cloud on Sinai, took him out of all earthly things ‘and begot him anew like a child in the womb’ (Cosmas Christian Topography 3.13), clearly the same as Psalm 2; ‘I have set my king on Zion... You are my son. Today I have begotten you’ but using the imagery of reclothing with heavenly garments, rather than rebirth.

What do you think, could it be done if in fact it were a virtual environment made by advanced beings?

a reply to: Char-Lee

depends on the span of their day or ours I wonder.
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Yes, i could do it quite easily and regularly dream about such things.

a reply to: Char-Lee

Weeeell... The universe would never be able to be properly simulated with binary computing, because things aren't always an either/or answer. in fact, they usually aren't. So no programmer would be able to adequately answer your question in the OP.

Though the 7 days of creation in the bible are all VASTLY different lengths of time, and many events are out of order. So I'd say that the bible creation account certainly didn't happen even if the universe is a virtual reality.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You are thinking too small and too rigidly, your world would be rather boring.

Use your imagination, God did and things worked out just fine for us. More or less.

a reply to: Thorneblood

I have used my imagination. The account of the seven day creation period isn't logically consistent time-wise. Disregarding the binary programming issue, there is no valid way we could program seven "days" of creation and have it mirror the Christian creation account. It's not possible, and like I said, events are out of order.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Time to a God is not a constant, its a question. Through the use of pre-established patterns and the focus of imagination and will it's extremely possible. Especially when done as laid out. We are talking about programming reality, about crafting the very fabric of existence through sheer will and desire and you are claiming that it can't be done because the number of days implied in only 7?

What would 8 suit you better? 12?

It's your reality, take as long as you want. For me, personally, the SIX days of Creation would be fine. I would need a day of rest afterwards, ya know, playtesting

a reply to: Thorneblood

Look in order to program a "day", regardless of how long it happens to be, you have to actually DEFINE how long that day is. Each day in the creation account is a different length of time. Day 1, is by far the longest (taking up billions of years), and each day is vastly different than the next. Some shorter, others longer. There is literally ZERO way you could define a day in programming then apply that as a measure to construct the universe.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Thorneblood

I have used my imagination. The account of the seven day creation period isn't logically consistent time-wise. Disregarding the binary programming issue, there is no valid way we could program seven "days" of creation and have it mirror the Christian creation account. It's not possible, and like I said, events are out of order.

I know a lot of ifs here....but
Lets just not think along the lines of Christian and such just extremely advanced intelligent life, using many various ancient texts as reference the days seem to come up many times as a week long process.

Also let's not worry about the ability of our present computing but just the way it is done, say it may equate to us ( a group of good specialists) creating an elaborate computer game with animal and people and environment.

Now if there was a prior pattern already finished as suggested in the texts I used here what would that mean to a computer programer? Anything?

Does it seem like maybe it could be done in an actual 6 of our days?

originally posted by: Char-Lee
I know a lot of ifs here....but
Lets just not think along the lines of Christian and such just extremely advanced intelligent life, using many various ancient texts as reference the days seem to come up many times as a week long process.

They do? Which ones specifically? I am only aware of Christianity (and I guess as an extension, Judaism and Islam).

Also let's not worry about the ability of our present computing but just the way it is done, say it may equate to us ( a group of good specialists) creating an elaborate computer game with animal and people and environment.

That's why I gave the point about binary computing. I'm sure if we used a high enough number base, you COULD simulate the universe. Heck, it may be possible by using base 3 (quantum computing).

Now if there was a prior pattern already finished as suggested in the texts I used here what would that mean to a computer programer? Anything?

Does it seem like maybe it could be done in an actual 6 of our days?

I'd say no to that as well. Look how long it takes for a company to develop software for your computer. We are discussing, possibly the greatest computer program ever. I'd say it is a fair shake to say that it would take FAR longer than 6 days to complete. Bug testing alone can take months.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

As i said, no imagination and as such a very boring world. It's ok though, the multitude of possible realities demand some rather mundane versions in order for the more interesting worlds to exist. Be proud of that, there is no shame in admitting you couldn't do it in 6 days.

I just know i could.

Huh, so basically the universe was built in differing versions, according to this. day one, they made light and whatnot. Universe 1.0, and so on to "day" six, which we'll called "Microsoft Universe 6".

....Still, sadly, riddled with bugs. Here are a few examples.

"Still cannot render objects of sufficiently large stellar mass, space-time matrix collapses at these points, causing corruption."

"MOBS called "Human" very inefficient; breathing hole and eating hole are same hole. Looking into this."

"Speed of light too slow, does not allow for instantaneous information transfer. Problem balloons when stellar distances are calculated."

"In order to make stable objects, subroutine "gravity" had to be programmed much weaker than other subroutines. This could cause irregularities at the quantum level"

"Cannot account for why electromagnetic radiation can express as both particle, and wave. Researching this."

a reply to: Thorneblood

You must not be a programmer then.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
Huh, so basically the universe was built in differing versions, according to this. day one, they made light and whatnot. Universe 1.0, and so on to "day" six, which we'll called "Microsoft Universe 6".

....Still, sadly, riddled with bugs. Here are a few examples.

"Still cannot render objects of sufficiently large stellar mass, space-time matrix collapses at these points, causing corruption."

"MOBS called "Human" very inefficient; breathing hole and eating hole are same hole. Looking into this."

"Speed of light too slow, does not allow for instantaneous information transfer. Problem balloons when stellar distances are calculated."

"In order to make stable objects, subroutine "gravity" had to be programmed much weaker than other subroutines. This could cause irregularities at the quantum level"

"Cannot account for why electromagnetic radiation can express as both particle, and wave. Researching this."

Lol

I would like to add the scenario that another rival came along and corrupted the program out of jealousy and anger... maybe added a few mosquitos and such along the way too!
Still the original pattern is available to fix it up in time.

a reply to: Char-Lee

LOL I could see Lucifer as the jealous and un-imaginative assistant to God during production of Earth: the Reality. Got fired and started his own much maligned version.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Thorneblood

You must not be a programmer then.

I'm reminded of a story of a Genie offering to give a man anything he could imagine.

So he imagined Billions of dollars, Exotic Cars, Lavish Yachts, And a lovely wife.

The dollars all had smugged, irregular faces, because he could not picture exactly what the dollar bill looks like.

The cars had no door handles or engines, because he neglected to imagine those.

The yachts broke apart instantly, because he didn't imagine the rivets.

And the women was a grotesque caricature of female anatomy, because he imaged unrealistic things.

The human brain is great at imagining vague concepts. Like the concept of the universe, or the concept of a dollar bill. But try to picture EXACTLY what a dollar bill looks like, down to the detail on ol' Washington's chin. You can't, not unless you have a photographic memory.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Brilliant point. Imagination gets you only so far. The finer details are what are important to create something worth looking at. This is why you can't create a program with just a flow chart.

It's all fun to imagine that it is possible, but it isn't until you get to the finer details that you see if it is possible or not. As someone who has actually coded things, I looked at the problem in the OP from a programming perspective and see that the religious accounts are rather unlikely as a basis for virtual reality.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

Interesting comparison, though perhaps a better one would be the Little Engine that could.

I think i can, i think i can....and i can.

And in truth is that such a terrible thing to openly admit? Something to even be proud of?

Does it really bother you all so much that i have enough faith in myself and my own abilities that i am certain i could accomplish this task given the opportunity?

Everyone follows their own path in life. Everyone dreams of their own lofty and perhaps unachievable goals.

Creation on this level, the pure beauty and possibility of all of that, well what greater goal could one hope for?

a reply to: Thorneblood

Imagining it is possible won't magically make you be able to leap over the hurdles of things not being able to be programmed.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

They do? Which ones specifically? I am only aware of Christianity (and I guess as an extension, Judaism and Islam).

You are correct I believe some of the texts are not accepted by various religions though.

If it were proved that we live in a virtual reality it would remove I think some of the problems with major religion belief for some people such as, God can bring back all people who ever lived, can know all of what any person did in a lifetime and ect. It may allow for a more literal interpretation of many texts.

I am fascinated by the idea of living in a virtual reality and if so why.