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One of the reasons more young women are giving birth out of wedlock and more young men are walking away from their paternal obligations is that there is no longer a stigma attached to this behavior, no reason to feel shame. Many of these young women and young men look around and see their friends engaged in the same irresponsible conduct. Their parents and neighbors have become ineffective at attaching some sense of ridicule to this behavior. There was a time when neighbors and communities would frown on out of wedlock births and when public condemnation was enough of a stimulus for one to be careful.
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Bush's ideas about public shaming extended beyond unwed parents. He said American schools and the welfare system could use a healthy dose of shame as well. “For many, it is more shameful to work than to take public assistance -- that is how backward shame has become!” he wrote, adding that the juvenile criminal justice system also "seems to be lacking in humiliation."
As governor of Florida in 2001, Bush had the opportunity to test his theory on public shaming. He declined to veto a very controversial bill that required single mothers who did not know the identity of the father to publish their sexual histories in a newspaper before they could legally put their babies up for adoption. He later signed a repeal of the so-called "Scarlet Letter" law in 2003 after it was successfully challenged in court.
Bush's ideas about public shaming extended beyond unwed parents. He said American schools and the welfare system could use a healthy dose of shame as well. “For many, it is more shameful to work than to take public assistance -- that is how backward shame has become!” he wrote, adding that the juvenile criminal justice system also "seems to be lacking in humiliation."
originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
Bush's ideas about public shaming extended beyond unwed parents. He said American schools and the welfare system could use a healthy dose of shame as well. “For many, it is more shameful to work than to take public assistance -- that is how backward shame has become!” he wrote, adding that the juvenile criminal justice system also "seems to be lacking in humiliation."
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: LogicalGraphitti
I would personally call this a myth, albeit a very persistant and popular one among some.
No one, but for maybe a very, very few, wants to be so poor that they need to be on public assistance.
originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: ~Lucidity
There is public shaming now.
If you disagree with gay marriage, you are publically shamed.
Excellent point Beezzer! I better watch what I say lest be labeled welfare-phobic!
originally posted by: NavyDoc
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: NavyDoc
Shaming though? Seriously?
That's a bit of hyperbole isn't it? I get the emotional response, but the facts of the matter is there is a point in that social mores and a sense of "shame" inspires better personal behavior.
Actually, not a bad idea. But to make it work, this should be extended to all citizens. Divorced parents, parents of delinquent children, parents of children arrested, parents investigated by social services, parent who lose their jobs and cannot afford their children, parents of politicians caught in lies or deeds, parents of any grown child committing any crime, parents of bankers and wall street executives who steal from the rest of the country, parents of the Enron executives, parents of police officers caught on camera committing civil rights violations, and more. We can post their pictures all over the internet, and have weekly parades of them in public wearing letters or symbols for each child's transgression. Sort of like being a Jew in parts of Europe in the late 1930's, but instead fair and egalitarian for all, which the GOP would want.
"Shame" can only be self-applied. When imposed by a group it is only psychological ABUSE as a means of controlling conformity to the mob...
Regardless of who said it, I agree with this particular point. It seems living off the taxpayer is the "in" thing to do these days.
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: ~Lucidity
There is public shaming now.
If you disagree with gay marriage, you are publically shamed.
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
originally posted by: NavyDoc
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: NavyDoc
Shaming though? Seriously?
That's a bit of hyperbole isn't it? I get the emotional response, but the facts of the matter is there is a point in that social mores and a sense of "shame" inspires better personal behavior.
Hyperbole?
As if there are no alternatives to shaming. As if people in a bad situation need it made worse.
Shame on you.
originally posted by: NavyDoc
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
originally posted by: NavyDoc
originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: NavyDoc
Shaming though? Seriously?
That's a bit of hyperbole isn't it? I get the emotional response, but the facts of the matter is there is a point in that social mores and a sense of "shame" inspires better personal behavior.
Hyperbole?
As if there are no alternatives to shaming. As if people in a bad situation need it made worse.
Shame on you.
So let me get this straight. You are trying to do to me what you are bitching about him doing? Hypocrite much? The facts of the matter is that social mores and societal expectations change behavior more than anything else, even fear of legal action. It is rather ignorant to dismiss that aspect of societal behavior.