Children as young as 12 are receiving drugs to prepare them for sex change!

Ok, not taking the OT bait anymore.

Questions for all still here:
Should children be allowed to make all decisions for themselves? If not, then where do you draw the line?
If a child wants to be a eunuch, should we grant him that wish?
If a child wants to have a third thumb attached to his forehead, should we allow it?
If a child wants to hunt for his own food alone in the wild, should he be allowed?
If a child wants to marry another person (adult or child), should that be allowed?
If a child wants to commit suicide, should we assist him?

a reply to: daryllyn
You're gonna have to learn to read past the first line. I said 'complete with quotes.' Otherwise it's no more significant than this:

I have been attacked so many times in this thread!
They called me a bigot!
They called me intolerant!
They threatened my life with a band saw!
They called my momma fat!
They looked at me funny!
They dispproved of my lifestyle and asked pointed questions that I don't like to think about!

Ok, now I'm really done with the off-topic distractions.

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

Should children be allowed to make all decisions for themselves?

They don't make the decision when it comes to be a transgender. They are born that way.

Parents and doctors take the time to weight in what is the best for their transgender children. It is not like they just decided to accept it all of sudden. No one is pushing it. There is no hidden agenda.

I don't think there is much risk to hormone blocker. As few posters here have testified, they turned out just fine.

The rest of your questions are purely nonsense and have nothing to do with the OP.

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

I gave you what you asked for, and you are just going to ignore it? Is it because you were wrong about there not being any derogatory comments?

None of your questions are related to the discussion at hand.

The decision to delay puberty is made between the child, the parents, and a team of medical professionals, and ONLY after a lot of testing and evaluation.

Its not like the decision is made only by the child, and its not one entered into lightly.

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

Good grief! I could add about 50 to the list of things said against me. I have never seen so many snivelling petty people on one thread since I have been on ATS! I think I'm going to close out of this thread now.

edited to add: Too bad, since I really wanted to get into the "something's in the water" kind of discussion with rational thinkers.

a reply to: Deaf Alien
Trying to get people thinking, rather than shouting.

My questions are all pertinent. If we are going to take a child's word for it - and make no mistake, that's the only evidence there is to support the notion of a person being born the 'wrong' gender - then we are assuming two things.
1. The child understands the self and the world well enough to make that determination
2. The child is being honest, with himself and with others

If we assume those two things are true in respect to transgender surgery, then why draw the line there? It would imply that children are far more aware and equipped to deal with the world than conventionally known. If a kid can correctly decide which gender he should be, why deny that child the right to make other decisions that have serious, lasting consequences?

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

No, children shouldn't make decisions all by themselves. In transgender cases, then parents shouldn't be making the decisions by themselves. Good parents will have their child spend many hours in therapy to allow mental health professionals to help them make this very difficult decision. We're not talking about giving a child drugs based on a single comment by a child.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

Good grief! I could add about 50 to the list of things said against me. I have never seen so many snivelling petty people on one thread since I have been on ATS! I think I'm going to close out of this thread now.

edited to add: Too bad, since I really wanted to get into the "something's in the water" kind of discussion with rational thinkers.

What do you think is in the water?

I'm willing to start over if you are. No derisive comments from either of us? No name calling from either camp. How about that?

So, about that water...

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

If we assume those two things are true in respect to transgender surgery

If you really read, no one is condoning or allowing children to have sex reassignment surgery until they are adults. So no your questions are not pertinent.

The focus is ON hormone therapy for children.

originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: Deaf Alien
Trying to get people thinking, rather than shouting.

My questions are all pertinent. If we are going to take a child's word for it - and make no mistake, that's the only evidence there is to support the notion of a person being born the 'wrong' gender - then we are assuming two things.
1. The child understands the self and the world well enough to make that determination
2. The child is being honest, with himself and with others

If we assume those two things are true in respect to transgender surgery, then why draw the line there? It would imply that children are far more aware and equipped to deal with the world than conventionally known. If a kid can correctly decide which gender he should be, why deny that child the right to make other decisions that have serious, lasting consequences?

At last! A rational thinker with logical questions. That is where I was going when I brought up the analogy to the movement to get pedophilia listed as a sexual preference rather than a criminal offense. The thought was this: If a child is able to make life changing decisions about his/her body, would you allow them to have sex with a pedophile if the child consented and "knew" what he/she wanted and needed? Would you allow that child to make that decision, as well?

Mod note:

This thread is off the rails in a serious way

Please get back to the topic and stop with the grammar lessons and personal attacks

Do not reply to this post

a reply to: queenofswords

With all due respect, there is nothing rational about "something's in the water". Unless there is something in the water that makes conservatives so close minded. Now THAT'S a theory I could get behind.

a reply to: queenofswords

The logical answer to that question is NO.

a reply to: kaylaluv
At the end of the day it still comes down to what the child thinks and says.

At 12, I was capable of being shamefully deceitful and manipulative. If I decided I wanted something, I would go to great lengths to get it, including lying to myself and others. Plenty of kids are like that at one point or another.

I shudder to think of how I would end up had I been brought up in today's world. At best, expelled for pretend gunfighting. At worst...well, chopping off my genitals and altering my body chemistry with a boat-load of drugs is near the top of that list.

ETA: little late there, ol' moddy ol' pal. Civility has been restored...for now

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: queenofswords

With all due respect, there is nothing rational about "something's in the water". Unless there is something in the water that makes conservatives so close minded. Now THAT'S a theory I could get behind.

This is what I'm talking about....your second sentence. Turning this into a political ideology issue does it for me. I'm out of here. Will not be posting to this thread any more.

I'm not the close minded one. I am the open minded inquisitive one that wonders why our children are 200 times more likely now to present transgendered feelings. I am the one that is wondering why more money isn't going into the etiology studies, but rather going into the dysphoria and transition issue.

a reply to: queenofswords

I am the open minded inquisitive one that wonders why our children are 200 times more likely now to present transgendered feelings.

That have already been answered many times.

a reply to: OpenMindedRealist

No, at the end of the day it comes down to what a team of adults think is the best for the child.

Again, we aren't talking about chopping off the genitals of a 12 year old. We are talking about reversible drugs that delay puberty to allow time to make this very important decision.

a reply to: Deaf Alien
That's a valid point. Still, I contend that the drugs alone may be harmful whether the gender change is warranted or not.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Please stop the generalizations. I'm conservative in most things. Yet I'm fully on the side of JadeStar, and the others.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: kaylaluv

Please stop the generalizations. I'm conservative in most things. Yet I'm fully on the side of JadeStar, and the others.

My sincere apologies to all conservatives who support this valid drug therapy to temporarily delay puberty in order to allow time for this life-changing decision to be made by the parents, the child and a team of medical professionals.