What Year Did You Stop Your Cognitive Dissonance Towards The 9/11 OS ?

a reply to: Doctor Smith
Why dont you get back on Jupiter 2.
Look at the order the towers where struck South Tower struck second fell first it had a greater load above the impact point! The major problem was the floor design and the fact they could drop internally and YES building codes snd design changed after this event. Do you know that until that event thermal loading due to fire was not considered with the same detail as wind or other loads so basically YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Doctor Smith

www.youtube.com... Madrid Windsor Tower fire. Partial collapse due to fire alone, and according to the investigators only the concrete transfer slab on the 17th floor stopped a full collapse.

The twin towers burned for 1 to 2 hours and fully collapsed into the basement. The fires were barely burning when they turned to dust. Building 7 collapsed into its own foot print and it wasn't hit by a plane.

The Windsor building was a different design. It burned like an inferno. The cement crumbled from the heat. The steel frame was fully intact with a crane on top when all was said and done. Steel frames don't collapse from fire or anything else. Except controlled demolition.

I still see no examples. At least you tried to pawn off an example. Better than WMD 2008. But you and all the rest have failed to provide an example. Your example is unexceptable for obvious reasons stated above.

originally posted by: Doctor Smith

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Doctor Smith

www.youtube.com... Madrid Windsor Tower fire. Partial collapse due to fire alone, and according to the investigators only the concrete transfer slab on the 17th floor stopped a full collapse.

The twin towers burned for 1 to 2 hours and fully collapsed into the basement. The fires were barely burning when they turned to dust. Building 7 collapsed into its own foot print and it wasn't hit by a plane.

What does "into it's own foot print" mean to you?

a reply to: Doctor Smith
They didn't collapse into the basement THE FLOOR SLABS did the walls didn't

The concrete DIDN'T crumble on the Windsor tower building that is total BS !

WTC 7 was struck by debris from the North Tower and documented by the FDNY or are you going to call them liars.

originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: Doctor Smith

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Doctor Smith

www.youtube.com... Madrid Windsor Tower fire. Partial collapse due to fire alone, and according to the investigators only the concrete transfer slab on the 17th floor stopped a full collapse.

The twin towers burned for 1 to 2 hours and fully collapsed into the basement. The fires were barely burning when they turned to dust. Building 7 collapsed into its own foot print and it wasn't hit by a plane.

What does "into it's own foot print" mean to you?

This is what "into it's own foot print" means to the rational, intelligent, educated .

a reply to: Doctor Smith

What would expect though? gravity pulls things down.

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Doctor Smith

What would expect though? gravity pulls things down.

The building is supported with steel beams. For it to come straight down all the support beams would have to fail at the same time or it would topple over. A 47 story sky scraper is not going to fall straight down.

Their is 0 examples of steel frame buildings falling straight down other than controlled demolition. The Windsor building is not an example its steel was still intact after the fire.

a reply to: Doctor Smith

Kinda skidded one.....

www.abovetopsecret.com...


"This is the latest high rise building collapse do to fire:

tehran-plasco-highrise-fire-and-collapse

www.metabunk.org...


Evidence that WTC 2 was not brought down by controlled demolition.

This link shows the moment WTC 2 collapsed:
www.metabunk.org...

The contracting floor trusses that were sagging pulled in and buckeled the outer vertical columns. The buckling was isolated to only a few floors. A dropped core would have caused buckling in every floor. The portion of building above the buckling slammed into the floors below. The floor connections gave way, and the process snowballed as the falling mass grew. The floor connections failed, not the columns as proven by large sections of vertical columns standing for many seconds after the floors completed their total collapse.

For CD to be true.

9/11 was the first successful implosion of high rise buildings over 47 floors. Twice in one day.

9/11 was the fist successful top down implosion of a high rise building. Twice in one day.

For implosion to be true, the complex and sophisticated ignition system and wiring would had to survived wide spread fires and jet impacts that cut elevator cables and fire water mains.

For thermite, the first successful CD using thermite in a high raise building in the first successful top down implosion in the first successful high rise CD of buildings over 47 floors. Twice in one day.

The timing using thermite would be almost impossible do to thermites slow and inconsistent burning time. And again, the ignition/timing control system and wiring would have to survive wide spread fires and jet impacts that cut services to carryout the precision top down timing.


So? if it never happened before 9/11, it must be impossible for all the claimed firsts involving CD to happen twice in one day. Thanks for the logic to debunk yourself.


And how did the ignition system and wiring for a CD survive the fires in WTC 7.

WTC 7 fell without any sounds of charges setting off?

If it was thermite, then thermite was used in the first top down high rise CD successful three times in one day.

So, you have no examples of top down CD before 9/11 of a high rise building. So, you have no examples of thermite used in a CD of a high rise building. So? 9/11 completed the never before top down thermite CD successfully up to three times for the fist time in one day. How many top down thermite CD since 9/11?

I guess if it never happened before or after 9/11, by your logic, it was impossible......

originally posted by: Doctor Smith

originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: Doctor Smith

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Doctor Smith

www.youtube.com... Madrid Windsor Tower fire. Partial collapse due to fire alone, and according to the investigators only the concrete transfer slab on the 17th floor stopped a full collapse.

The twin towers burned for 1 to 2 hours and fully collapsed into the basement. The fires were barely burning when they turned to dust. Building 7 collapsed into its own foot print and it wasn't hit by a plane.

What does "into it's own foot print" mean to you?

This is what "into it's own foot print" means to the rational, intelligent, educated .

Simple question. I would have thought you would be able to give your definition.

Apparently not

Here's one of the CIA operatives that just confessed to bringing down Building 7. Look who's full of it now. The media and shills on the net will attack him now. I was never fooled. Suck it.

Explaining how the building was bought down, Mr. Howard says, “It was a classic controlled demolition with explosives. We used super-fine military grade nanothermite composite materials as explosives. The hard part was getting thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms into the building without causing too much concern. But almost every single office in the Building 7 was rented by the CIA, the Secret Service, or the military, which made it easier.” Mr. Howard explains that WTC 7 was “loaded with explosives in strategic places” in the month leading up to the day that changed the course of American history. On September 11th, while the North and South towers burned, fuses were ignited in World Trade Center 7, and nanothermite explosions hollowed out the building, destroying the steel structure, removing the reinforcements, and allowing the office fires to tear through the rest of the building, hollowing it out like a shell.

Link

a reply to: Doctor Smith

Dude that source is crap.

rationalwiki.org...


www.snopes.com...


FAKE NEWS!.

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Doctor Smith

Dude that source is crap.

rationalwiki.org...


www.snopes.com...


FAKE NEWS!.

It needs to be checked out. The sites you listed are no more legitimate. One of them is called rationalwiki which is a similar name to Wikileaks? The other site claims it is a proven fact that a fire alone brought down building 7. You do realize they will try and discredit if not dispose of the man and his career with the CIA. We will see.

originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: Doctor Smith

originally posted by: mrthumpy

originally posted by: Doctor Smith

originally posted by: cardinalfan0596
a reply to: Doctor Smith

www.youtube.com... Madrid Windsor Tower fire. Partial collapse due to fire alone, and according to the investigators only the concrete transfer slab on the 17th floor stopped a full collapse.

The twin towers burned for 1 to 2 hours and fully collapsed into the basement. The fires were barely burning when they turned to dust. Building 7 collapsed into its own foot print and it wasn't hit by a plane.

What does "into it's own foot print" mean to you?

This is what "into it's own foot print" means to the rational, intelligent, educated .

Simple question. I would have thought you would be able to give your definition.

Apparently not

To me it suggests that the buildings collapsed into the area that they occupied when standing but aerial photographs of the debris field show it extends beyond the confines of the "footprints" which disproves that. So I'm left wondering what the definition actually is

a reply to: Doctor Smith


BS check everywhere on the net and yournewswire.com is classed as a clickbait website.

realorsatire.com...

www.factcheck.org...

www.mywot.com...

Is as bad as Natural news (which you like to use also).
Sorry If you fall for crap so easy but many of us here do not.

It's suspicious to me that I come back to this area of the forum. The same posters are here 24/7 covering up and arguing against any information coming out.

This time it's 3:30 AM and within 5 minutes several posters are trying to discredit the story without doing any real research.

a reply to: Doctor Smith

Start using decent none clickbait proven to be false websites for sources then.
You can be suspicious all you want btw...If you really think the CIA gives a toss about you well you need help.
Also it's 11:48 here so...

a reply to: testingtesting

All news organizations are proven to be little more than propaganda machines. Especially mainstream media. Look at CNN. Unless I see it for myself I believe nothing. I've learned to respect very few people's integrity this days.

a reply to: Doctor Smith

But when a source is proved wrong most of the time though.
You check the % of what is right on CNN v Natural news/yournewswire.

www.politifact.com...


You all got played by sites during tyhe election which made the owners of the fakenewssite a few quid.
They make it appear real but are just making stuff up.

a reply to: Doctor Smith
Members are from all over the world time means nothing

originally posted by: Doctor Smith

originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Doctor Smith

What would expect though? gravity pulls things down.

For it to come straight down all the support beams would have to fail at the same time or it would topple over.

Topple over, eh?

Prove it.

Or do you believe that buildings will behave as a tree? Are you that naive?

Their is 0 examples of steel frame buildings falling straight down other than controlled demolition. .

Wrong.

You're ignorant about the building in Tehran.