In 180 Seconds You Will Be Voting For Bernie Sanders

a reply to: ugmold

err ok - i cannot vote in the US elections - but i watched it anyway , and all i saw - honest opinion :

a series of complaints about how crap things are and a series of promises that it will be better [ if you elect mr sanders ]

BUT no indication how

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Movingobject

Paul and Bernie are 180 degrees opposite of each other. The only thing they have in common is that they want to reform America.

One wants to give less power to the government and more to corporations, and the other wants to give more power to the government and less to corporations

Well, on the topic of 'reforming America', they are equal.

So - you prefer to give more power to corporations? Yikes.

Vote for Pedro.

Who ever said I prefer to give more power to corporations? WHERE do you get this from?
Reforming is a big word. Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders are not in the same hat, they are rivals, their ideologies are 100% against each other. The people that vote for each have completely different interests in mind. Those who vote for Ron Paul want less US government and more privatization, less taxes, more individual freedom, etc, things that benefit corporations.

Just remember that if you vote for Sanders, you will get higher taxes and more immigration.
Also, less privatization, more government mingling with the economy and a sacrificed individual freedom to protect others. A welfare state, so to speak.

Speaking as someone who comes from a European welfare state, it might look fun and all but isn't for anyone relatively successful. With a welfare state and especially socialism you are punishing the upper middle and upper class. They always say they will punish the ultra rich, but this is never the case. It's always the upper middle and upper class that sacrifices the most.
This results in more rich people leaving your country. In the end, true socialist countries usually end up in an economic crisis, as seen by so many socialist experiments around the world and what is happening right now in Venezuela. I am not referring to Scandinavia since they are not socialist but more social democratic (some even centrist), but Sweden is also doing horribly right now, you don't want your country to become like Sweden.

He says all the right things and I agree with him on his opinions, but.......The last guy who kept repeating "Yes we can" is the same guy who got us in to this mess. If the last few years have taught us anything, it's that we can not believe what they tell us and until they show me by actually changing policy, I rate them all as liars and thieves.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

The US is on the far end of the right wing economic / authoritarian scale. There is no true left wing in the US. That's why both sides continue each others failed policies, and run the country even further into the ground / into the hands of Corporate interests every time we flip parties in national elections. The huge divide is largely symbolic, and consists solely of social wedge issues.

Sanders is very left wing, economically, and frankly -- there is some truth to his assertions that right wing monetary policy has destroyed the value of the dollar, and created an achievement gap which dwarfs all other political considerations. Can he be elected? I don't know.

What I do know is that we -- the voters -- have been conditioned over decades to lick the boots of the authoritarian corporatists, from BOTH sides of the imaginary spectrum. We are well trained to salivate when they ring their bells, and we love to imagine our little red versus blue football game has actual substance. Whether it does or not is a whole different matter.

I cannot believe America has Citizens United.
lol
its embarrassing . Keep backing those that allow corruption to become law under catchphrase names like CU and Patriot Act blah blah.

a reply to: 0zzymand0s

I agree with your first 2 lines.

People have to stop using these terms. They came about in the early 20th century and have been bastardized. Its all about corruption at this point, not what political scale politicians PRETEND to be on.

a reply to: ugmold

I could win an election in 60 seconds if I used the three phrases of PR.

1: "it's good to be here in (insert city)"

2: "It's time for change"

3: "Can you really trust them?"

It's called clockwork politics and you see it every time a campaign trail is launched. Start positive, instill negativity, and end with nauseating slogans. Wait for the debates before jumping on the bandwagon.

a reply to: Movingobject

I am not referring to Scandinavia since they are not socialist but more social democratic

Sanders describes himself as a Democratic Socialist - and he is referring to Scandinavia as his example.
I'm glad you know the difference.

My other post to you was responding to you saying one was going to give more power to 'big corporations' - and the other wants 'big government.' Since it's well established and proven that big corporations don't give a flying rip about the people - not even their own employees, well, I'm interested in looking at the other way.

a reply to: ugmold

Even believing in someone today, as I do Bernie, is open
to so much cynicism. Odds are, he doesn't even understand the
fight he's talk'n about either. Because he doesn't address the
first question about all that he says, " We just have to stand
up and fight " for. That being:

Why in the hell, do we have to fight for common human dignity
and decency, over and over and over again and again in this
world? That single unanswered question, is an indicator in my mind.
An indication that with todays technology, it won't just be a fight
this time. It will be a war.

Wow! Are you friggin kidding me? Bernie Sanders = BS!

This is just more feel good, empty messaging politics that more and more citizens in this country are buying into.

Free College- and who pays for it? Rob the military's budget? Really.. do you realize how many of the good paying jobs for civilians that would get rid of?

we need to figure out how to reduce the cost of prescription drugs and enormous hospital bills. Need to promote self independence, creativity, small business & individual integrity.

Can't believe people are still drinking this cool-aid.

I found this site for Bernie's voting record.

votesmart.org...

a reply to: xuenchen

He really offers no actual plans and remedies.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

So - what do you have to offer?
What plan or remedy?

Well my suggestion to Sanders and all who are going against the standard establishment is to convince voters to vote against Democrats (especially) and vote against most establishment Republicans to start with.

Anybody who is President can't get legislation without Congress.

So maybe a more Libertarian Congress makeup would help.

Presidents can make some changes for better or worse with EOs and Cabinet level regulation, but usually that all ends up for the worse because of limits that require Congressional and Court approvals.

As it sits right now, Democrats and Obama are strapped by Republican majorities in Congress.

Yet at the same time, Republicans are strapped by a less than 60 majority in the Senate and would have an even harder time over-riding any Obama vetoes.

Same goes for the Social Democrats. Congress is the key.

Here is the one for the leading republican in the polls Scott Walker.

votesmart.org...

a reply to: xuenchen
I agree that Congress is the key - you are right about that.
Campaign reform and term limits - no more 'career politicians' and fewer to no perks -- maybe just take all of us and do it like jury duty....only no lawyers to strike people off of the possible juror's list.

Or hell, just choose 535 (or however many) random people from the phone book and tell them they have a civic duty to go and serve. (I know that won't work, either - but what we are doing now is unsustainable, and the whole world can see that.)

Btw, that is perhaps the most civil response I've ever gotten from you, xuen. Thanks for that! And also - Sanders is an Independent caucusing with the Democrats. He's not really a 'Democrat'.

a reply to: carl6405

Free College- and who pays for it?

Campaign donations - all pooled together. Use that money to educate people rather than fattening up people like the Koch Brothers and buying legislation that favors them? How about that?!

Rob the military's budget? Really.. do you realize how many of the good paying jobs for civilians that would get rid of?

Do you realize how many civilians would not be starving and homeless, and could FOCUS on improving their lot in life because they aren't too desperate wondering about their next meal and shelter for the night.

we need to figure out how to reduce the cost of prescription drugs and enormous hospital bills.

That's Universal Health care - and Bernie stands for that.

and to promote self independence, creativity, small business & individual integrity.

People who are desperate, afraid, and hungry can't focus on creativity. They can only focus on not dying.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: lovebeck
Two seconds into Google pretty much dashed any interest I have in Bernie Sanders...

Bernie's Pervy Essay

I'm not surprised that in 2 seconds what you come back with is something sourced from nypost.com. You should get a better source than one that is rated as bad as that.

According to a survey conducted by Pace University in 2004, the Post was rated the least-credible major news outlet in New York, and the only news outlet to receive more responses calling it "not credible" than credible (44% not credible to 39% credible).
link

Here you go...There are dozens of links. I just happened to pick the first one. It's not like they made the story up.

NPR

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Excallibacca
In one sentence, straight off of his campaign website, I will never vote for Bernie Sanders:

KEY ACTIONS
Introduced the gold standard for climate change legislation with Sen. Barbara Boxer to tax carbon and methane emissions.

Why is that? We know Climate change is real, most of the scientists in the world are telling us that. Google it. That gives me even more reason to vote for him. He believes in Science.

No kidding the climate is changing.

Has been for over 5 billion years.

So what's Sandars solution ?

TAX !!!!!

LOLLLLLLL

I have already seen this channel for the past 8 years time to 'CHANGE' the channel.

Change the channel to what though? Sanders is no Obama and def better than Bush. Paul? Do you have another viable candidate?

a reply to: xuenchen

I truly don't understand why anyone touts Libertarianism as a path to freedom. If everything was privatized, you would be at the mercy of corporations and people whose first goal is to maximize profits. You would have no control over who runs things since you can't vote someone out if you don't like how they're doing their job.

Best example I can think of: do you really want to stop and pay a toll on every road you drive on?

a reply to: MOMof3

I found this site for Bernie's voting record.

Thanks for posting that.

Looks like he walks the walk......rather than lying about who he is or just talking the talk.

Sanders/Warren for the win.

a reply to: carl6405

Just one more comment on a question of yours from above:

Rob the military's budget? Really.. do you realize how many of the good paying jobs for civilians that would get rid of?

So - You are a(nother) proponent of the Military/Industrial Complex.