In 180 Seconds You Will Be Voting For Bernie Sanders

originally posted by: Excallibacca
a reply to: amazing

Because carbon tax is (to me, obviously), a stupid idea. Climate change is real, has been happening for billions of years. Do I think humans have caused it? No.

I don't know. I'm still going with Majority Scientists and organizations. Meaning any candidate that actually is pro science get's a huge nod from me. Not to derail the thread but being pro science is a big deal to me. I don't like Carbon Taxes either though.

originally posted by: interupt42

If Bernie gets endorsed then we will know he was purchased by big corp, if he gets thrown to the wolves by his own party .than we will know he was the real thing. Not good either way but that is what the reality appears to look like.

I don't agree, thats like saying if the witch drowns she is human, if she survives she is a witch.

You understand he isn't using supapac money? he is going by groundswell donation only. the only candidate doing this. so i really can't reconcile your statement as true.

Until we get the money out of politics, it doesn't matter who or what we vote for. Congress and the POTUS listen to the lobbyists who represent the wealthiest and corporate powers.

In order to even attempt to that (remove the money) -- it's going to have to start at the local and state level around the country, as Congress certainly won't cut off its own foot.

a reply to: amazing

To me, the answer is almost never more legislation.

Why i WON'T be voting for Bernie Sanders in 1 sec...

Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

One of Bernie's goals is to overturn Citizens United and get big money out of politics.

berniesanders.com...

a reply to: Metallicus

Do you know why? Neither do I.

Voted YES on allowing firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains. (Apr 2009)
Voted YES on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. (Dec 2003)

Favors topic 10:
Absolute right to gun ownership
(+2 points on Economic scale)

www.ontheissues.org...

a reply to: MystikMushroom

He advocates public only funding for all campaigns.

what about a Sanders/Paul ticket?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

It's his response in every thread about Bernie then he never addresses it when confronted with facts.

a reply to: crustyjuggler27

Honestly, if Rand Paul becomes the GOP candidate, I will be relieved. I wouldn't vote for him, but he's the least destructive candidate on the GOP side, IMO.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: MystikMushroom

One of Bernie's goals is to overturn Citizens United and get big money out of politics.

berniesanders.com...

That's only one small part of the problem. We need campaign finance reform, term limits, anti-corruption laws on the books.

These are all things that can be started at the local and state level. This is how things like interracial marriage, gay marriage, women's suffrage all started. You start at the bottom and work your way up. Large-scale reform like I've outlined won't be "permitted" from a top-down strategy.

If we are going to turn the ship around, it's going to have to start small with a million hands from steerage, not trying to storm the bridge itself.

Bernie Sanders campaign, like it or not, is what a real grass roots effort looks like.

Sanders campaign is making such waves because: "It's the economy, stupid" and the game is rigged to favor the people who are already rich, its time the wealth goes to the majority of us for a change!!!!

I agree that a 3 minute video isn't enough to make up your mind so here is a longer one:


The Walmart family owns more than 130 million Americans and that's Next Level BS!!!

"It's the economy, stupid" is the only issue that will resonate with the 99%

Honestly, would that be so bad? It would be tantamount to a coalition government with a libertarian bent. Now if we could just replace Boehner /McConnell with two equally brave congresspersons.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Why i WON'T be voting for Bernie Sanders in 1 sec...

Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record.

Not one single candidate can be lock-step with us on every issue. There will always be at least one issue in which we will disagree with them. That being said, to vote or not vote for a candidate based on one single issue seems a bit short-sighted. Even more so on 2nd amendment issues because even if Sanders was for confiscation of firearms, it would never happen. Too many people worry about losing their 2nd amendment rights, but that is not going to happen. Check and balances are in place to ensure that.

Also, who cares what the NRA says? They are not pro-2nd amendment. They are a political machine that is pro-money, and uses the 2nd amendment as a catalyst to meet that goal.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: beezzer

That would make me moist.

In the eyes. Perverts.

THAT was outstanding you hooked me, set the hook and reeled me in on that one!!

originally posted by: eeyipes
Sounds nice, but yelling "this is wrong, this needs to happen, this can happen" doesn't cut it anymore.

I want the nuts and bolts of HOW. If you can't explain HOW, you got nothing.

Yep.

It's easy to complain about how things are and imagine how they should be.

Tell me HOW we're going to get there and maybe I'll listen.

Let's be real America...

We never actually elect anyone based on policy alone...

If we did we'd have had people like Ross Perot or Ralph Nader as president.

It's a huge popularity contest with the person spending the most winning.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

im tired of seeing elections turn into the best of a bad situation. there are 2 types of people. people that think for themselves and people who let others think for them. its hard to tell which one of those you fall into. because type 1 people are really good at making type 2 people believe they are type 1.

what really matters for the average voter? i believe people primarily want things to stay comfortable. imagine being on a boat that just sailed around the world delivering world class entertainment. the problem is the ship has a leak and will sink eventually. it hasn't been made aware officially to the passengers. one of the maintenance crew figures this out. when he lets the people know they call him crazy and go about their days. other than the main public areas the ship is off-limits. people cant go see for themselves. some people can see for themselves that the water has been getting slowly higher and decide to start asking questions. the host of the ship says the captain has informed him that nothing is wrong and to go back to being entertained.

looking at how things are in this country that i love are going, i would say other than a few people on the boat most would drown in the cold water rather than figure out why the boat is sinking. or even recognize they have been deceived all along

a reply to: ugmold

I can be very literal when I want to be.

Or at least appear to be?

You said three minutes, so did I. Meh...