Armed bikers plan Mohammed drawing contest Phoenix.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Hopefully no one gets hurt, bar the feelings of the instigators who are willing some sort of destruction.

They'll likely be offered into the Mosque for a drink and some food or a debate...
That'd be great.

If the members of the mosque was smart, they'll have bottled water for the protestors.

Talk about taking the wind out of their sails.

Actually you're 100% correct Beezer!!!! The best outcome of this event would be for the people in the mosque to welcome them with open arms. It would go along way to proving too many Americans. That there is a big difference between moderate Islam and radical Islamic.

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: thefallenone

No you're only problem in this entire thread. Is that you actually have no concept of what the First Amendment means.

You only approve of the First Amendment when it fits your ideology. Do you ever watch Al Jazeera? Have you ever seen screaming protesters outside of the US Embassy? Have you ever seen screaming protesters in Ferguson or Baltimore? Or do you believe they should all be silenced also?

But tell me oh wise one what the difference is? Please enlighten me?

I know what it means and what it stands for. I don't approve when it suits me, I approve it all.

Yet these people are using it as an excuse to spew hate. No one is telling them they can't, they are saying it is wrong to go out of your way to insult people and to instigate trouble. I am not asking for silence just for common sense, which this people are lacking.

You are attempting to say my words and theirs are being used in the same way, which they are not. I am not looking to cause trouble, I am not looking to mock people race, religious beliefs..etc.

You are also saying that I am saying they should be silenced and not once did I say that. I am saying stop trying to cause trouble just because you can.

a reply to: Kali74

said nothing about this action though I think it's hateful, I wouldn't call for it to be stopped by law enforcement or any such.

You may very well be right. If so I apologize I was responding to several posters at once you might have got caught up in the log jam.

Why do this in Arizona? Let them go do it at an ISIS mosque. Honestly, it's the mentality of six year olds. Being deliberately antagonistic is NOT cool.

a reply to: johnwick

Lol



I know how you think I start your post before I even read them! Lol

I still say, if they are looking for trouble give it to them. Blow em all to hell.

After all bigots and extremists would be the only casualties.

It always interests me when people cry and whine when the American flag is desecrated, yet these same people are most likely the ones asking for a Muslim symbol to be mocked.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Hopefully no one gets hurt, bar the feelings of the instigators who are willing some sort of destruction.

They'll likely be offered into the Mosque for a drink and some food or a debate...
That'd be great.

They are obviously willing something to happen (violent) look at how they handle themselves/internal biker conflicts. Are the bikers the creative element: they are supplying the drawings themselves; so as not to get innocent ASU art students involved in potential homicidal mischief? AZ politics aside, Maricopa county Sheriff Joe Arpaio will most likely be in attendance.

originally posted by: thefallenone

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: thefallenone

No you're only problem in this entire thread. Is that you actually have no concept of what the First Amendment means.

You only approve of the First Amendment when it fits your ideology. Do you ever watch Al Jazeera? Have you ever seen screaming protesters outside of the US Embassy? Have you ever seen screaming protesters in Ferguson or Baltimore? Or do you believe they should all be silenced also?

But tell me oh wise one what the difference is? Please enlighten me?

I know what it means and what it stands for. I don't approve when it suits me, I approve it all.

Yetthese people are using it as an excuse to spew hate. No one is telling them they can't, they are saying it is wrong to go out of your way to insult people and to instigate trouble. I am not asking for silence just for common sense, which this people are lacking.

You are attempting to say my words and theirs are being used in the same way, which they are not. I am not looking to cause trouble, I am not looking to mock people race, religious beliefs..etc.

You are also saying that I am saying they should be silenced and not once did I say that. I am saying stop trying to cause trouble just because you can.

Yeah I quit reading after the highlighted word. Because that word made it obvious that your first paragraph was BS.

a reply to: TechniXcality

So any religious place that happened to have had bad people come out of it is guilty of said crimes.

Pedophiles, rapists, murderers come from all places of worship.

By your logic those places are also guilty by association because obviously they weren't spreading love and all that.

You can't say only one type of religious house is guilty by association without saying they all are because that would make you a bigot/hypocrite.

a reply to: Greathouse

Of course you did because the rest made sense.

originally posted by: rupertg

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Kali74

Do you consider sponsors of extremism american?

So let's see...the catholic church
Do you consider sponsors of pedofilia american?

see how silly that sounds?

Both Islam (allowing for extremist murderers) and Christianity (Catholic priests and nuns not allowed to procreate; unnatural circumstances will warp into....use your imagination) are seriously flawed dogmas is all. What is your fix for organized religious practices that are susceptible/prone de-facto to corruption; its going to happen as there are those in power that can twist those idea forms to suit their own devious personal agendas. These institutions are far from perfect.

a reply to: thefallenone

No, because nowhere in the First Amendment Is there any room for the word yet. Which goes back to my original reply to you. You seem to only agree with the first amendment when you approve of what is being protested.


If you don't approve, you will lie and say you approve then insert the word yet.

a reply to: Greathouse

mmmK...obvious I must lower IQ points to get anything across..so later..

Yeah yeah I know, 1st amendment is this and that and that I am this and that and so on.

a reply to: Greathouse

Goodness, why the hell pick a populated area?! I'd have a whole ton more admiration for these guys if they picked a remote campsite and held it there.

Americans like to accuse extremists of hiding behind civilians so you would think an American biker gang would know better.

Either way, I'm glad they're doing it.


ps edit - I just read that they are doing this right outside an American mosque whose members are obviously American Muslims. Sort of a dick move right there. This event is losing my support rapidly.

a reply to: thefallenone

obvious I must lower IQ points

In that case you better be very careful. If I may? I suggest write yourself a note that says breathe in case you forget.

Gah... didn't mean to post this one.

I don't think this mosque spawned terrorists? I mean look at their site. It's condemning ISIS. And it looks friendly.

iccpaz.com...

And take a look at what it's president said:

"Everybody has a right to be a bigot. Everybody has a right to be a racist. Everybody has a right to be an idiot," Shami said.

and

"It will be the same as every Friday evening and we're going to tell our members what we've told them before: not to engage them," said Shami. "They're not looking for an intellectual conversation. They're looking to stir up controversy and we're not going to be a part of it."

www.12news.com...

Those two guys who got killed have already started their path 10 years ago. All friends, acquaintances and family members said they have not known them to be violent and supporters of ISIS. Makes me wonder if they were secretly trained and maybe ones of those sleepers. I know I know it's the conspiracy nut in me that makes me think that.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: theantediluvian

Whatever man, Screw them and everything about them, this our country ! You want to foster extremism bring it on, im glad a show of force is congregating out side the mosque that spawned this blight on humanity, should be a great time.

And are you sure those people in that mosque are not citizens?

It is thier country too, why can't they practice their religion in peace?

I am sure you are a fan of the first.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Hopefully no one gets hurt, bar the feelings of the instigators who are willing some sort of destruction.

They'll likely be offered into the Mosque for a drink and some food or a debate...
That'd be great.

If the members of the mosque was smart, they'll have bottled water for the protestors.

Talk about taking the wind out of their sails.

Bottled blessed holy water also known as *beer* could work.