Requiem (may you all R.I.P) of a Ticked Off Indian!

a reply to: spiritualKat33

There has been an argument about suppressed evidence of earlier people's in the America's on this site, now forgive me as I am an outsider to this being across the pond but some of the history of atrocity's commited against the Native people's of not only america but other place's were the over population of Europe then settled are horrific.

The Native Australian's could look forward to being shot as vermin, there was even an entire aboriginal family, father, mother, children etc stuffed on display in the British museum for many year's until it became politically innapropriate and it took complaints from the British public for these to be removed but many decades later before they were handed back to the native people's for proper buriel.

In the state's some of those cowboy cavalrymen such as among custers men were said to have raped and then gutted young native american girl's then worn there dried wome with the overy's still attached as tassels around there hat's after gutting there victim's for these trophy's.

The largest single group of European's to have settled in the US area of the America's were of German origin but most of these came later but the worst thing that happened was the plague of old world diseases that decimated the native people's and even killed off entire tribe's.

There are no word's I can offer to appologise, it was long before my time and for me I am part Maori but the Maori never suffered like the native american's did.

Still remember that among those white folk there is a heck of a lot of mixed native ancestry because unlike Pocahantas who was destined to die of pneumonia and be buried far from her people in a damp English cemetary many of those early settlers blended with the native's even though it was swamped by the number of immigrant's form europe.

I myself and a Christian and I do believe one day your people will be restored by him but there is a better world than this to come and man will not be allowed to spoil it so he will be quite picky about who he chooses and who get's to go there.

I also believe all people are one in the spirit and we are brother's and sister's regardless of were we are from but are doom driven to hate and fight one another for the most petty reason's but mostly lack of understanding.

For that matter every country in the world belonged to someone else once, the Maori wiped out the Mori-Ori or perhaps blended with them but artifact's found that are not form there culture have been reported over time but are now suppressed as both the Maori and the New Zealand government do not want to acknowledge older spritual claim to that land, then back in the america's there may have been multiple ice age migrations and then again there is the whole argument from mexico about 500 thousand year old tool's and other artifact's of a type modern man would make were the geologist who found them lost her career after making the dating known, then there is the city off north west Cuba that is at least 40.000 years old that is too deep for anything other than a dsrv to observe that the world conveniently lost interest in, another cover up perhaps but one that put's people in the america's back twice as far and also city building cultures back four time's or more as far.

Who are we, where did we come from before that root was planted and do we so easily forget that what kill's one branch harm's the whole tree and can harm the other branches too.

Can you post up the immigration law that was violated?

I keep asking native Americans to present the law that was broken all those years ago and none of them ever seem to want to.

Curious, that.

a reply to: spiritualKat33

Lol

Dude I feel your pain but try to see the bigger picture.

And we are all victims, not just you

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: spiritualKat33


Oh boo hoo build a bridge and get over it.

Ahahahahahahahaha

You guys are so funny both op and you.

I get his pain though, I don't condone it, but I understand it.

I have always had a deep respect for the native tribes and a horror of the treatment they had at the hands of the so-called civilized Europeans that invaded their lands.

My family, on my mother's side, believed we had mixed it up with the Blackfoot tribe just a few generations ago, but I found out that ancestor was a white woman from New Jersey. However, going back to the earliest of my ancestors in the New World, I found we are related to Pocahontas and another Chief in the James Town colony. Back then there was mutual respect, we considered the tribal people as equally human and the tribal rulers as royalty. Of course that didn't last very long as some tribes we shockingly violent and barbaric so raids, battles and wars started occurring.

The Europeans started a lot of the conflicts, but had made some friends and enemies at the time, so it was never a black and white situation. However, it turns out one ancestor of mine was involved in the mass murder of a whole native village during a peace treaty celebration. That tribe started that conflict by kidnapping and killing some settlers, but to poison the whole village during a celebration toast at a peace treaty and then murder anyone left was far from civilized.

In my opinion, many of the colonies were just as hostile and barbaric as the most violent and bad assed tribes were. My point here is that there is plenty of blame to go around regarding how things turned out today. However, I'm all for the exercise of Native American Tribal rights as well as honoring all treaties and returning important lands, esp. scared ones. There is no excuse in today's world why all humans can't be truly civilized and have more respect for other races esp. native ones.

a reply to: Greathouse

I know, it is a bit of a contradiction, hence the reason this is in a rant forum.

originally posted by: Night Star
Um...you do realize the Native Americans also migrated from somewhere else. Right? And that the Native Americans also warred amongst themselves for food and land. Not a single person alive today had anything to do with what happened back then. Also...most white people have bred with people of other cultures, from different Countries as well as Natives so where would you want us to go back to?

I have French, Irish and Native American ancestry.

They may have migrated here but they didn't come and take the land away from anyone like the founding settlers from Europe did. They may have had skirmishes over land and food, but they tried to deal with it without slaughtering entire cultures to do so. The fact white people have bred with other cultures is not important, they still took this land illegally without any concern for the welfare of those that were already here.

I represent the Neanderthal Lobby.

Each and every one of you "sapiens" can just bite my mono-brow!

a reply to: spiritualKat33

Nice rant. I hope you're wearing an asbestos suit because you're going to get flamed.

a reply to: NthOther

I do not think you should have to choose! My rant may have come off as a racist tirade against all white people, but it was meant to demonstrate the hypocrisy of the immigration situation going on now.

a reply to: Night Star

But Star, there are starving people everywhere. There were starving people here when the immigrants started showing up. Of course it is a different America... wait, what is really so different? The only thing that is different really is the technology has changed. How is deporting people that are hard working decent people that want to raise their children in a better place the solution? I ask people that do the judging to ask themselves, how would they feel if they were the one going through the process of immigration. You and most have no clue what transpires to try and get legal status in America. And spending your life looking over your shoulder every second looking for ICE to clamp down and yank you away is no fun either. Many of these people give birth to children that are citizens by law and will do whatever they can to stay here. Rather than taking their kids back to where they tried to escape in the first place.

a reply to: Anyafaj

That is just ridiculous and the only response to that is those people were not living in Aushwitz, they were prisoners and your missing the entire point of this OP.

a reply to: spiritualKat33
I don't get it. Indians are from India? Shouldn't he be mad at the British instead? And really, it seems like the population of India these days is overwhelmingly Indian. Not sure what your problem is?

a reply to: Night Star

Exactly. Not all immigrants are worthless either. The hypocrisy of the process on who is allowed to stay and who must go is judged by those that claim to be here legally, when in fact a great deal of the people here today in America, including myself, are here because our grand parents escaped Europe and the atrocities during the war. The founding fathers of this country were sent here, they did not come on their own free will. They had a revolution to gain independence supposedly, but they still took the land from the native Indians in the process and anyone that is part of that ancestry by the fruits of the poisonous tree are illegal themselves. No the people living right now that are say 65 or younger can not be held accountable for the actions of their ancestors, but when do we stop passing the buck and saying I didn't do that, someone else did, so don't look at me. I didn't write the immigration laws so don't blame me.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

I didn't write a racist rant, sorry to disappoint you. I wrote an apology to all the Indians who we stole their land from. Canada, huh? That explains a lot!

a reply to: Lysergic

Very well thought out response! No. I wasn't alive back then. Just out of curiosity, are you a religious person or did you go to school and get force fed history lessons? How much truth do you think is in the Bible? How much of what you were taught in school do believe is the truth? No I wasn't there but I have seen the Indian people grow up in my generation. I have spoken to elders who have taught the wicked ways of the white men, do I believe everything they say, no, but it has a lot better ring of truth then any history I have been brainwashed with by the people that write our history books.

a reply to: thesaneone

Okay. I will build that bridge and then you can go jump off it!

a reply to: Anyafaj

Well my apologies to your unsuspecting grandparents, they were innocent bystanders I am sure, when exactly did they emigrate to America? And where did they come from and under what circumstances? Yeah, I know not everyone is guilty by association, but the sad truth (just ask old Ben Affleck) we really do not always know the truth about what our ancestors did, we just know the versions we have been told. Still, has nothing to do with the fact that many years ago the white settlers came here and took this land from the indigenous people.

I hear arguments about how it is survival of the fittest and this world was built on conquerors, this world belongs to all and I really don't even think there should be this need to own land that belongs to everyone. But, if we are going to cry about the poor illegal immigrants that are taking our jobs and medical assistance and food form our mouths then those that do are just plain old hypocrites, white or not, this was never a racist rant, it was an apology to the way we treated the Indians and a call to people to wake up and quit being hypocrites.

Wicked ways of the white man!!!!???!!!! The Indians wrote the Kama Sutra. Now that's Naughty. White men ain't got nothing on that one.

Also, I believe the current Indians (representatives of the Mughal Empire of olde) stole their land from the Pandya, before that it was stolen from the Yadava, they stole it from the Hoysala, who stole it from the Later Western Chalukya peoples, who in turn had taken it from the Paramara, who stole their land from the Cauhan, who took it from the Chandela, who stole their land from the Chola, who were naughty enough to take the land away from the Rashtrakuta, who also stole their land from the Gurjara-Pratihara (II) group of peoples, who acquired their land from the Pala, who "inherited the land from these guys, the Eastern Chalukya, who origionally wrestled it away from the Gurjara-Pratihara (I) culture, who overthrew the Western Chalukya, who had issues with and took the land from the Pallava, who took it from the Harsha, who stole it from the Gupta, who took it away from the Kushan, who faught to take the land away from the good people of the Shaka, who didn't like being under the control of the Satavahana, who didn't like the way things were being run by the Shunga, who stole the land from the Indo-Greeks, who took the land away from the Mauryan, who originally stole it away from the Nanda. Man if I were the Nanda I'd be pissed right about now.

So you representing the Indians have the nerve to say the Europeans are bad about taking over other peoples land. And really there is like over a billion of you. A BILLION!!!!!! I believe the Indians owe quite the apology themselves.

a reply to: spiritualKat33

And native Americans took land from other native Americans "illegally" every time they went to war over....

Wait for it....

RESOURCES.

And don't give me that crap about how native Americans didn't wipe anybody out. Many tribes thought NOTHING of killing the entire "other" tribe in war. That, or making them slaves.

Don't try and put native Americans up on some ivory tower and claim they all got along great and held hands and made love not war. They were going to war with each other long before any Europeans showed up. Difference is, Europeans made war with guns, not clubs.

Is what happened in the pursuit of manifest destiny a tragedy? Yea, it is. No argument here. But to sit there and try and pretend that the natives were "legally" holding land is absurd. "That mountain and river belong to us" said the native. "Nope" said the European. "Well we say it does" says the native. "I say it belongs to me" says the European. That's not how "illegal immigration" works.