Poor Kids Banned from School Carnival - NY USA

Just another case of money trumping humanity. Had the children unable to afford the $10 fee been subsidized they still would have made a profit. Sick world we live in isn't it?!?!

Isn't this why most schools have fund raisers? Kids sell candy bars or gimmicky stuff from a catalog so they can go on field trips, etc. (Usually the parents would help out too, bringing the stuff to work and having coworkers sign up for a certain amount of whatever.) That way parents only had to sign off on permission slips, so if you managed to sell some minimum amount you were covered on some event like this.

originally posted by: thinline
IF " Some kids didn't understand what was going on, and why they were excluded." then those kids really need to be checked for a learning disability. If one cannot figure out that when you need $10 bucks to get in somewhere, that if you don't pay, you don't get in. Then there are some major issues going on.

How long do you think that the kids knew about this. Probably long enough to save money or divert money from another source.

Let's recap, this taught kids to save money for what they want and that life isn't a free ride. Somehow this is wrong. The downward spiral continues.

taught the kids to save money????.....they were pre-k through 5 grade, you were probably still eating boogers at that age, not developing a savings plan. and what if they had parents that wouldn't give them any money???...there are plenty of parents that don't give a damn......and here you are blaming the kids...

this really REALLY irritates me. I remember having a crappy principle one time. WE held fundrisers the entire year and were going to have a senior trip to florida. A week before hand the principal says the money was stolen and or got lost. A week later the principal shows up with a brand new gold colored rolls royce. No investigation of the missing money,but we all knew where the money went. SO afterwards we made sure to tell the lower classes dont try to raise money for anything till they graduated.
The principal retired early after that.

originally posted by: Sunglower
I know I'm late to the thread and no one's gonna read this, but

look at it this way.

If some kids are allowed to get in for free, then EVERYONE is going to want to get in for free.

Gotta draw the line somewhere.

It's not like they made them sit in a dark quiet room with nothing to do. They were showing movies for the "unfortunately poor kids". What are they going to do in the carnival with a free entrance ticket, but no money? Walk around and do nothing? Oh, I suppose they should get free food and free rides too.

If you can't afford it, then you can't afford it. It's as simple as that.

then the school never should have made this carnival day in the first place....if they want to go to a carnival, have their own parents take them to one after school.....this just fosters self-loathing in small kids, and the year long stigma of being put down by the other kids......you people need to get an empathy implant....or, maybe you are just mean bastards, who are gleeful about a child's suffering...I had a grandmother like that long ago, and the only thing I can remember about her, was that she was a mean bitch who only cared about herself

Great op RealTrurth!


Very interesting story on a lot of levels.

Basic level that we're dealing with and a deeper level I perceive in realizing the world denies children (God’s precious creatures) all kinds of things they should be getting free including play but more substantially the idea of children denied food and clothing and love is a world sin of major proportions.


On a real deep level it educates us of the concept of the matrix.

(Sure God feeds the poor but he didn't have to create poverty in the first place!)

This clueless lady created a false matrix of suffering for these kids that didn’t have to be….On a lot of levels that could have easily been avoided:

A little foresight to have a fundraiser for the poor kids

Avoiding the kids having to see themselves being deprived


Giving those kids an alternative treat of some sort (trip to the park maybe) not just piling them in an a dark auditorium


Just goes to show that a little compassion, imagination and effort could have made the day good for all the kids

a reply to: Annee

great. now i know the reason.
i still feel like i am getting fleeced.

awesome that they cut funding and cant buy glue sticks now so the parents are made to do it.

it would be fine if parents were responsible to make sure their kids had supplies.
shouldnt be up to me to make sure little suzy has a glue stick

originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: Annee

great. now i know the reason.
i still feel like i am getting fleeced.

awesome that they cut funding and cant buy glue sticks now so the parents are made to do it.

it would be fine if parents were responsible to make sure their kids had supplies.
shouldnt be up to me to make sure little suzy has a glue stick

Whatever.

Some people are more generous then others.

Some people support kids having the supplies they need for school. In spite of government budget cuts.

a reply to: Annee

i have enough on my plate without having to worry about other peoples kids.

originally posted by: Mugly
a reply to: Annee

i have enough on my plate without having to worry about other peoples kids.

Really?

I'm just shy of 70. I experienced public (government) school in the 50s/60s - - - again in the 70s/80s with my own children - - again in the 90s with my first grandson who's dad chose drugs over him. Now raising 7 year old grandson who is high functioning Autistic - - raising him because his daddy died on Christmas morning of Leukemia when his son was less then a month old. His mother, my daughter, had to go back to work immediately to support her family. Which includes another child.

And there's more - - - but, spare me your "plate".

a reply to: Annee

spare me yours.
i didnt ask you about any of that. i dont care about any of that.
does not change anything.
i have enough to worry about. i should not have to concern myself with supplies for all.

no need to keep going with this. we are not going to change each others minds. in the future though you can save yourself from typing out your life story because i really couldnt care less

I wonder how many kids just pocketed 10 bucks because they would rather have some cash and watch films for a day.
That's probably what I would have done.

originally posted by: Mugly

no need to keep going with this. we are not going to change each others minds. in the future though you can save yourself from typing out your life story because i really couldnt care less

That's for sure.

You just take care of you - - - don't concern yourself about the future of any child that's not yours.

My life story? LOL - - - one short sentence covers near 70 years? Don't think so.

a reply to: Sunglower

Drawing a line is completely unnecessary in this instance because there is nothing that mandates that public elementary schools host insanely overpriced "carnivals" during school hours. This is a false dilemma.

If you had three kids (we'll make them equally well behaved triplets for the sake of simplicity) and they all wanted to go to Disneyland but you could only afford to take two, would you take two of your kids to Disneyland, send the third to Grandma's house for the week and tell that child that you're sorry, but life just isn't fair?

Probably not. Instead, you'd work out an alternative.

If the point of the carnival is students having fun and the result of the carnival is many students experiencing the exact opposite, then what good is the carnival to begin with?

a reply to: Mugly

That's an interesting position considering that people who don't even have children of their own are in fact subsidizing your children's education.

Did you ever stop to wonder if that's fair? After all, it was your decision to have kids and they're YOUR responsibility so why should childless people be forced to pay taxes that are used to pay for educating your offspring?

Oh that's right, because in a society, people share the burden of providing for the common good. So please, climb down off your high horse.

While I'm not saying that you alone should be asked to provide materials for an entire classroom full of children (and I'm assuming you were not); if the budget is legitimately tight enough that parents are being asked to equally shoulder (as much as they are able) a very small portion of what's required to supplement the budget, then parents should do what they can do.

I've known quite a few teachers who purchased materials out of their own pockets. You're only contributing a fraction of the cost of education and yet YOU'RE feeling fleeced if you have to put out a little extra for materials?

Vice Presidential candidate John Edwards was ridiculed for saying there were two Americas and talking about poverty all the time. But of course we see every day how right he was.

a reply to: pauljs75

just saw a follow up on snopes.. m.snopes.com...

On 26 May 2015, the paper reported that Gary Pincus (of Send in the Clowns Entertainment, the company hired for the carnival) offered to host a free make-up event for the children who were reportedly excluded from the 21 May 2015 event. Pincus said he was unaware of the carnival’s conditions, and added:

If I had known that there were kids not allowed to attend the carnival, I would have paid for them.


Read more at m.snopes.com...

so there you go, it didn't have to happen and the other parent didn't need to pitch in extra...the guy is doing an event for the kids that missed out....that principal is an idiot

If the Government Requires that your child must attend school then all school functions should be provided for by the Government.

That's complete garbage. I remember what it was like to be one of the few poor kids, having to be absent for all the field trips. Felt bad. I especially am sorry I couldn't attend the field trip where the class went to the world trade building and the statue of liberty. Never got to go in the twin towers

a reply to: theantediluvian

what people pay in taxes and what those movies are used for is a whole separate issue. i have my problems with that as well.
i alone was not asked. all the parents take a turn.
i do it and i continue to but i dont have to like it and i do feel like they are fleecing me.

ive heard about teachers coming out of their pocket too.
good for them. they probably feel fleeced too.

i just think that each parent should be responsible for their kid(s) and supplies. not the entire classroom.

in the end it is not a big deal. it does not really cost all that much. i just dont agree with it.