You know that thing, the New World Order? Well it's happening.

a reply to: Astyanax

I'm very glad that in your world everything is just rosy. Good for you.

But yes, everyday people are fighting the rise of multi-national corporations. They protest against Monsanto and the conquering of our food chain.

Every day, people makes choices that count---like not going to McDonalds and celebrating as 800 close across the nation this summer.

They protest big banks and the hijacking of our financial system---like the people in Iceland who actually jailed their bankers.

They protest the coming TTP trade agreement that has been done in secret, behind the backs of the American people. Our elected leaders actually have to go to a basement to read the agreement and are watched in full, and their notes are read as they leave.

But in your world, protesting doesn't matter? A few people gathering to protest, and fighting hard to enlighten the world is indeed the only thing that has ever created positive change in this world.

But you'd have to know your history to understand this. And it's clear to me that you form opinions without truly understanding the way the world works.

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass
why do you think the American pharmaceutical industry is so big?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: BrianFlanders

There are always people willing to take advantage of a situation so that they can profit off of it somehow. The thing that makes a one world government unlikely is that the logistics of it are insane. The required bureaucracy, the different opinions from all the different peoples around the world, the logistics of attending to the problem of the world as they spring up. Look at the United States. We can't get the country to agree long enough to scratch its own butt, do you honestly think that a government entity that composes the whole world would be able to accomplish this for any length of time. What I see is that even IF a OWG appeared, it wouldn't last very long before it splintered due to infighting.

The logistics of a personal computer that actually works are insane. My PC has been continuously booted up for a week as I write this without so much as a hiccup.

You respond to the concept of a world government with incredulity. That's exactly what they would need to make it work. Millions of people who don't believe it's anything to worry about. And even if it was, there's no one smart enough, determined enough or who has the resources to make it happen. All of which are obviously false.

Now I don't believe it's right around the corner. Hell, I don't even believe an overt form of a world government is even what they'd necessarily want. Because smart people know that incrementalism always works much better on a psychological level with the big stuff. What they would probably rather have is a soft form of worldwide totalitarianism that still looks a lot like a bunch of independent nations at a glance. If they worked that game over a long enough period of time and just eased into it, no one would even care by the time they get to the last few moves.

a reply to: TechUnique

Thanks for posting this video, I could have done without the religious part at the end of the video, but nonetheless, here we are.

For those who are saying, there is no such thing as a New World Order, I do not agree. It is happening, all the world leaders are quoted as saying such. Then you say, how could it be bad? Would it be bad to leave a toddler at a daycare with a caregiver whose background you know nothing of? The world is that toddler.

But, I have some questions about this NWO myself. My questions is, if there is a NWO being created, how? Well, let's see what Henry Kissinger says here.

International order will not come about either in the political or economic field until there emerge general rules toward which countries can orient themselves.

In the end, the political and economic systems can be harmonized in only one of two ways: by creating an international political regulatory system with the same reach as that of the economic world; or by shrinking the economic units to a size manageable by existing political structures, which is likely to lead to a new mercantilism, perhaps of regional units.

A new Bretton Woods-kind of global agreement is by far the preferable outcome. America's role in this enterprise will be decisive. Paradoxically, American influence will be great in proportion to the modesty in our conduct; we need to modify the righteousness that has characterized too many American attitudes, especially since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

What the heck is Bretton Woods economics? Let's have a look:



But again, can't be bad right? Wrong. I have to side with this guy.

Here are 21 reasons why the New World Order is so good for you. All those whining patriots out there - who do you think you're kidding? I'll set you straight about what's good for you. The following is based on documents and statements made by globalist leaders that know what's best for you.

1. You want to be monitored at home with cameras and microphones. That's what the new freedom is all about.

2. You have a strong desire to pay 65 cents/mile to the UN for your car, with none of it going to your country. A global welfare state is a good thing for all and you know it. So shut-up and pay your tax, or your car will be disabled by a satellite signal..

3. You should have a strong desire to drive the standardized UN car. The perfect matchbox car has already been designed for you, and all of them will be the same color. Something like when Henry Ford said "You can have your new car in any color, so long as it's black." Could he have been way ahead of us all or telling us something? Did he miss the NWO bandwagon or was he already on it, playing the Tuba? Maybe just getting us ready, or was it just because lacquer was black then?

4. You want your grocery purchasing data sent to your health insurance company, so they can refuse to treat you after warning you to stop eating junk food. And if you don't obey, they will cancel your policy. Its so nice they care so much.

5. It's important to you, to have microphones and cameras everywhere on the streets for your protection. After all, when that "highly motivated" rent-a-cop in the mall sees a thug assaulting you on camera in the rain, he will jump right up and leave his soap opera or CD music to run out to save you.

6. You want the NWO because you finally understand. The president has corrected your understanding that war isn't bad or even harmful to your health. Instead, he has told us that "war is peace." He knows so much more than us, because he's the president. You think you voted for him - or did you?

7. You have a strong desire to see your children and grandchildren (and perhaps yourself) be sent to the mid-east 100 year war on terror, that the globalists went to such much trouble and genocide to create. You know deep in your heart that war is good for everyone. That's what you were told. Serving in the military is a good thing, because depleted uranium is so good for everyone's health. And so are biological and chemical weapons, too.

8. Taxation without any form of representation at all is good and you know it. You should be honored to be giving so much, for so few.

9. You are anxious to give up ALL of your property to support the new communal way of life. Russia showed us how well that works, and we must learn from them and emulate that. Continent-wide alcoholism is good. Russian discontent for their way of life had nothing to do with the fall of the USSR. Be sure to send the Kremlin a thankyou note. Someone may still be there to read it. It's more desirable to be like China. They know how to work magic with straw and bamboo. How to make conical hats for working in the blazing hot sun. This designer item has a matching yoke with a bucket on each end. This provides a nice pleasant way to haul water each day. This is a much better way of life, and you realize that now. You can't wait to start weaving your own hat.

10. Your desire to have a chip implant is great. It's very high on your list of priorities. You will be standing at the curb ready for yours, when the implant van arrives in town.

11. You know that Christian religion is unimportant. The Bible and ancient Scholars had it all wrong. That example Jesus taught of doing kind things to all people is bad. You want a religion of violence for all, all stated clearly in the doctrine. It's waiting for you to embrace it. All you need is a white bedsheet, and white towel. No flowers or crosses allowed. Underwear not required.

12. Camping is a great recreation. More than 300 such outdoor pleasure palace camps have been built for everyone. No need to decide which one, because the loving people of the NWO have decided which palace is for you. And they will provide with a smile, a one-way trip there for you. There you will be screened, categorized and labeled and those you trust will decide what you will be doing for the remainder of your life. Or perhaps they won't need to, because you may not be alive that long...

13. You already know you are too stupid to vote. It's such a waste of time. Why bother, when it can be done for you?

14. You know in your heart, how good it will be when the borders are removed. No more border inspection stations to pass through, only strip search checkpoints. A minor annoyance, and perhaps a "helping hand" when your constipated.

15. You also know that deep in your heart, breathing intentional harmful compounds that fall from airplane seeding of the upper atmosphere is good for you. Medicine is all wrong about the harmful effects of breathing in bio-engineered bacteria and viruses, aluminum oxide and barium oxide and so much more. What do they know? They must be wrong, because your own doctor is silent on the matter. Because you trust him, so how could he be wrong?

16. You're so anxious for that new UN clothing style. The one that everyone will wear.

17. You can't wait for your new home in the new compact city. Who needs cars anyway? Your factory work group and home will be within easy walking distance of each other. You'll finally be able to be just like the cattle you see in farms each day, and be herded around under gunpoint or electric prods. Could it be farmers are way ahead of us? Did they give the NWO ideas?

18. You are looking forward to that vaccination you need, that you've been told "will save your life one day." You're aware it contains mercury, but since none of the doctors are complaining, why should you? What's a little injected mercury anyway? So what if it induces Autism in children? Children are just little smiling casualties and they understand. They trust their leaders.

19. You are so sick of having cash in your pocket. The new implant is so much better ! When you go to a yard sale, don't forget to bring your electronic transfer box, so the credits contained in your chip implant can be transferred to the seller's chip implant. You've heard stories the implant allows tracking your every move with supercomputers, but the NWO wouldn't abuse such a technology, would they?

20. You know, that voicing your opinion is bad. You have no right to complain. So shut-up ! Everything has been worked out for you, because you're too stupid to know better. It's so much better to be like that cow in the field you pass on your way to work. Not a care in the world. The cattle don't complain, so why should you?

21. Funerals are such a painful affair. We won't have these anymore. Those that die from car accidents or natural deaths, will have the privilege of involuntarily donating their organs to keep the NWO elite alive. When someone dies, you just need to dial 1 - 123 - REMOVALS. This is what the convenient NWO freedom is all about. When you see the smoke rise from the chimney at Removals Headquarters, pause no more than one second to say goodbye to what was left of your spouse. Quickly proceed with your implanted arm to the grocery store. That is, only on the day you are allowed to be there.

But since the NWO thinks for you now, you now longer even know what day of the week it is. Now why is that homeland security man dressed in black, pulling back the bolt on his machine gun as he approaches your car?

Did you go to the store on the wrong day? Is your chip implant working right?

originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: jacobe001

Ok, let's assume that is true. How are these globalists going to get rid of concepts like our Constitution and guaranteed equal protection under the law?

That has already been happening. Politicians are supposed to answer to their constituents and work for the best interests of this country but instead are answering to the deep pockets that own them. The Constitution is a thorn in the side of Big Business where they are constrained by national interests and are doing away with that via the TPP.

Already mouth pieces are saying that if someone can do your job cheaper in India, then you are overpaid. That goes against the Constitution where the people of this country come first. What will happen is 6 billion people will be competing for jobs and we'll all be at the serf level, except for the wealthy global elite, that are not only NOT competing like everyone else, but created and own it.

Multinational Corporations from many countries wrote the TPP and the citizens of many countries have had no say in it.
Lay out the plans of the TPP in its entirety. Lets see it.

Don't say that they will just arbitrarily strip our rights from us, because that isn't happening. While our rights in this country may not be at their strongest point ever, none of them have been taken away from us. None of them.

Want to change your tune?

www.washingtonsblog.com...
Americans Have Lost VIRTUALLY ALL of Our Constitutional Rights

Go through that list

You make some very good points. The US Constitution has already been almost negated by the Supreme Court declaring that corporations are people too and should have the same rights. This simple, stupid ruling does not give equality to corporations but superiority to them as they have unlimited financing through the Fed and we are all now second class or lower citizens. The Constitution will eventually secure all of its rights to the wealthy and the corporations with a subset of inferior verbiage that gives normal everyday citizens basically the right to be screwed.

The fact that the US government has bowed out of their greatest responsibility of protecting America from destruction that cheap foreign labor could cause and has. This is no new issue, it existed in the first days of our country and the Founding Fathers gave the Federal government the power and obligation to protect our economy through tariffs and import duties. Obviously the sellouts in DC today have all been bought off.

Oh there's a one world government alright if not in one system or one structure, it is there nonetheless. The Windsor's, the Bush's, the Rothschild's, the Soros's, the Bernanke's and Blankenfelds, they all meet in Monaco, at Churchill Downs, In Monte Carlo and they make their deals and arrangements and secure their trillions all on the backs of the poor dumb bastards like us. Oh yeah, they may not sit in the same Great Hall but they are all together and doing extremely well and always will. How the red neck fly swatting Clinton's have muscled their way into it all is beyond me, but I guess if you murder enough people even the rich and powerful will fear you and let you into the club. We are screwed!

How the red neck fly swatting Clinton's have muscled their way into it all is beyond me

Hillary's lineage is the real power in that marriage that's how.

I saw some numbers on the percentage of politicians that are related either through blood or marriage and it was like a crazy high number like 43% or something. I can't seem to find much using google on that currently. The only relevant thing I could see was something from David Icke so I left that alone but anyway if it is even close to that number that is a huge problem and has been for quite a while now.

a reply to: BennyHavensOh

a reply to: TrappedPrincess

Excellent and well done, thank you.

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
How the red neck fly swatting Clinton's have muscled their way into it all is beyond me

Hillary's lineage is the real power in that marriage that's how.

I saw some numbers on the percentage of politicians that are related either through blood or marriage and it was like a crazy high number like 43% or something. I can't seem to find much using google on that currently. The only relevant thing I could see was something from David Icke so I left that alone but anyway if it is even close to that number that is a huge problem and has been for quite a while now.

a reply to: BennyHavensOh

That's a pretty easy one to explain, basically lots of kids get in the same biz there parents did (when it makes good $$money$$). The other thing you notice is since a parent or relative is in a position of power its not that hard to get a leg up into the profession (knowing the ropes and contacts).

I think the theory that there is some covert conspiracy of keeping "royal" lines in power even in elected positions is a little hard to swallow when you think about it objectively. Its no different then taking over a business from a family member or having a family trade.

This sort of goes to the parent thread too, will the world try to coalesce into one big gooey cheese sandwich in the sky sans a huge catastrophe? Sure. But its probably going to be a corporate conglomerate owned world in the future rather then a national one. Its the only thing that anyone would go for since its not like they are giving up their nationality or history.

a reply to: TechUnique

I'll be totally honest here.

I'm not so sure that a "one World Government", isn't such a bad idea.

It would bring a lot of people together and make borders obsolete. Trouble spots like the Middle East would cease to exist as the Powers that be would be able to act without worrying about crossing someone else's lines. One economy for everyone would also mean everyone is on the same level. There would still be classes, that will never cease to be an issue under any government, but earning a $50 in china would be the same as earning $50 in the US.

Government spending for infrastructure would mean everyone gets a slice of the pie depending on their needs.

Just think about it for a moment, the Cartels would be wiped out, little countries like NK would be re-united with humanity and everyone can work for a living and get the same benefits as everyone else. No more cheap labour I Asia etc..

I'm sure there would be many down sides but every government has it's downsides, and todays current ones are rife with them. But there are far more up-sides to a one world government for it not to be a good idea.

Most people opposed to a one world government are those that stand to lose from it. Cartels, rouge nations and anyone who is against people in other parts of the world becoming equal to them in society and status (which is most stuck up Americans..lol).

a reply to: TechUnique

I'll be totally honest here.

I'm not so sure that a "one World Government", isn't such a bad idea.

It would bring a lot of people together and make borders obsolete. Trouble spots like the Middle East would cease to exist as the Powers that be would be able to act without worrying about crossing someone else's lines. One economy for everyone would also mean everyone is on the same level. There would still be classes, that will never cease to be an issue under any government, but earning a $50 in china would be the same as earning $50 in the US.

Government spending for infrastructure would mean everyone gets a slice of the pie depending on their needs.

Just think about it for a moment, the Cartels would be wiped out, little countries like NK would be re-united with humanity and everyone can work for a living and get the same benefits as everyone else. No more cheap labour I Asia etc..

I'm sure there would be many down sides but every government has it's downsides, and todays current ones are rife with them. But there are far more up-sides to a one world government for it not to be a good idea.

Most people opposed to a one world government are those that stand to lose from it. Cartels, rouge nations and anyone who is against people in other parts of the world becoming equal to them in society and status (which is most stuck up Americans..lol).

I also am human, and fallible. I'm not saying I can do it, what I am saying is that it cannot be done.

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: TechUnique

Without wars to generate profit, these profit machines will next seek to captivate profits (e.g. captivate the customers). This means you are forced to buy product at gunpoint. A different war with arguably more dangerous consequences.

This is already happening without any use of force. Just look the hordes of people lining up anytime a new Apple product comes out.

The tragically beautiful thing about the TPP (Trans Pacific Partnership), TTIP (Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) and TISA (Trade in Services Agreement) is they are absolutely brilliant. For a good while we all thought TPTB would try and enact a one world government, well they're doing it in the form of these "trade agreements" which basically allow corporations and vested countries control other countries by changing their laws, determining the cost of their medicines, their freedoms both offline and online.

Coincidentally all of this comes at a time when the world feels like it is teetering on the edge of war. You have North Korea doing whatever it is they are doing, you have Russia provoking NATO and allied countries, then you have China reclaiming parts of the South China Sea and threatening excessive force to anyone who flies over it or comes near it.

The cards in the stacked deck are starting to be revealed.

What many consider to the the "NWO" isn't some attempt at a "communist global government" it's an agenda which manifested from the enlightenment period. Like the American and French revolutions. A sort of conscious remaking of the world so as to replace more feudal like systems with market economies- "free trade" and private property based commerce, as in, to spread capitalism. Over time this has morphed into a sort of exploitative agenda, similar to dependency theory.

en.wikipedia.org...

The early representatives of this agenda conspired and actually succeeded in fomenting the American/French revolutions, now it's all about cementing the power of western capital. To ostensibly "civilize" the globe. A sort of neocolonialism. With lofty lip service to "spreading democracy" and the "rule of law". This is done via US military, the EU and NATO collusion. A very fragile arrangement due to competition between Germany, France, Britain and the US in the west. More fragile because of the hostility from Russia/China/Iran in the "east". They wont play along. A new sort of capitalist cold war is on the horizon. It's already here. We're nowhere close to a global government and that's not what they want. They being the billionaires and corporations who run the western governments.

The west (western capitalists) wants to have lopsided control over the world economy, to have access to cheap labor, lax or no regulations, resources, tax havens etc. They want to drink the milkshake. Western capital has absolutely NO interest in a global government. They want to use financial institutions to "develop" (control) smaller nations, force austerity, destabilize nations, create poverty/hunger/cheap labor (although economists at World Bank will NEVER admit this) all to benefit concentrated wealth in America and the old European powers. They use military and subversive action against those who don't submit. Saddam once played along, then he bit the hand. Gaddafi bit the hand. Assad is too close to Russia. The Middle East theater in general (Iraq/Afghanistan/Yemen/Syria/Libya) holds resources and potential labor sources but it also serves as stepping stone to destabilize Iran.

Iran is forming ties with China and Russia. Competition on a grand scale is manifesting. War or more proxy war in on the horizon. The west wants cheap flowing oil (the USA wants it sold in US dollars). The west wants "free trade" deals which open up foreign markets to western corporations, who will basically rule these smaller nations. The "NWO" is basically parasitic capitalism and the spread of it into smaller less developed nations for the benefit of western capital.

Unfortunate to see members on this board who actually consider a one world government a good idea. Let me try to put it as simply as possible: Say you wanted to go to the moon...what kinds of considerations would you need to make to be successful? Who would be your consultant, primarily speaking? Well it would be natural law, of course. The angle of approach to the van allen belt, the thrust needed to leave the earth's gravitational pull, the amount of oxygen needed...etc. All quantifiable data points gleaned from researching natural phenomenon.

There is no precedent set, no example found, of a type of centralization of power that in any way resembles how a one world government would need to be built. That means it's an impossibility. The reason it doesn't exist is because reality doesn't like to be simplified or centralized in terms of energy management. The more dispersed the power is, the more variety and balance there is. This is highly relatable to this topic. It's not apples and oranges, it's a template for the successful design of all systems. Rejoice that the complexity of this argument has already been settled and as such we have no need to discuss the finer points of which form of government works best or whether or not conspiracies have actually happened. Nature has concluded after billions of years that the more centralized power becomes, the more vulnerable the system becomes. If that were not enough to settle the debate, all you have to do is look to recent human history and see this truth displayed over and over again.

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
The logistics of a personal computer that actually works are insane. My PC has been continuously booted up for a week as I write this without so much as a hiccup.

So? Building a Turning Machine is a COMPLETELY different animal than ruling over a government, much less a consolidated government consisting of the entire world.

You respond to the concept of a world government with incredulity. That's exactly what they would need to make it work. Millions of people who don't believe it's anything to worry about. And even if it was, there's no one smart enough, determined enough or who has the resources to make it happen. All of which are obviously false.

Why is that obvious? I don't see it as obvious.

Now I don't believe it's right around the corner. Hell, I don't even believe an overt form of a world government is even what they'd necessarily want. Because smart people know that incrementalism always works much better on a psychological level with the big stuff. What they would probably rather have is a soft form of worldwide totalitarianism that still looks a lot like a bunch of independent nations at a glance. If they worked that game over a long enough period of time and just eased into it, no one would even care by the time they get to the last few moves.

Here's the thing about incrementalism (it's called working on margin, but whatever), it NEVER gets to 100%. You can slowly restrict a freedom constantly, but at no point will the restriction ever get to the point that it is banned. It just doesn't work that way. A ban is too big of a jump from restriction.

Another problem I have with this CT is the idea of "a long enough period of time". Humans are NOTORIOUSLY short sighted. Like all of them. You, me, the poor, the left, the right, the rich, EVERYONE. I don't believe for a SECOND that the elite are less short sighted than any other human on this planet. To suggest as such is to suggest that they truly ARE better than everyone else, because they can think long term and more importantly consistently where others cannot.

This is why the likes of Icke pitch the idea of monsters really running the show. Because, deep down, we all know if we are all just humans, then the elite are JUST as clueless as the rest of us and don't know what they are doing either. It's fun to pretend, but if you use logic, it just doesn't make sense.

a reply to: DigitalSea

Well spoken, not a one world government, but a one world corporation or at least a small group of corporations or even world bankers. After all is it not just a large scale Monopoly game where as the end approaches the end, the one with the most money buys up everything until there Is Only One? Where have I heard that before....

www.youtube.com...

Ok I agree with everything you said there except for the "cheese sandwich" part, don't really know where you were going with that one That being said it still does not necessarily make the whole concept right.

It seems like your saying that just because a few select handful of families acquired wealth real early in the game therefore were able to build and transfer that wealth through their lineage over millennia that everything is fine and the way it should be because the worlds "elite" say so.

Ok on the surface I personally don't really have a problem with that. However when it appears that those who through their own merit and virtue seized the financial wealth of almost if not the ENTIRE world are using their power with reckless abandon and lack of general human compassion then Sir then I have a problem.

a reply to: sirChill


To BobaFettish: Sure you make it sound all warm and snuggly. I'll admit I'm cool with one SUPREME ruler/dictator/emperor or whatever other moniker this person would bestow upon themself so long as that ruler is ME. What I mean by that is the majority of the world is not just going to willingly accept one person's word as final rule on any subject.

I know I couldn't accept that, I'm naturally too rebellious an individual with too much of a roaming free spirit to ever just be a dutiful cog chugging along for fear of the whip. I've got feet and hands meant to be used at MY discretion.

a reply to: TechUnique

Old news, mate! You all did read this masterpiece from Taibbi, didn't you?

The Illuminati were amateurs. The second huge financial scandal of the year reveals the real international conspiracy: There's no price the big banks can't fix

www.rollingstone.com...

It's 'the economy', stupid!

What I meant be the cheese sandwich reference was the herding aspect everyone has to be one big mob or group.

I probably should have said I don't agree with elected "bloodlines" anymore then you and think rules should be set up to prevent it in a fair way. But what I was saying on a basic level is its not much different then a son or daughter following a family trade because that's what is lived and breathed in the house.

How do you stop that fairly though? You can't make a rule saying, "ok, your father was in politics so you as his son need not apply". I guess you could, but then you would need to do figure out where the generational rule lies, once removed, 1st cousin? 2nd cousin? How about all the other elected officials like sheriffs or cops, what about military, should rank be denied if my old man held a high rank?

You see what I'm saying? I know what your saying and agree that it sucks that those who get in power (on the family level) have a hard time getting out, but its just the world we live in. We as voters can at least prevent it, and yet people keep voting for the same people.

From Kennedys, to Bush's, Clinton's, people keep voting for the same people because they are lazy and just want an easy name to remember...but whos fault is that?

Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side. I just don't think (by and large) its any conspiracy other then this is just how things work in the world the way we have things set up.

I would actually get behind a some sort of lottery to pick random citizens for representation if you could have an opt in/out feature.