You know that thing, the New World Order? Well it's happening.

a reply to: MRuss

For those who don't believe in this "NWO thing," perhaps your time would be better spent on other threads that were created to debate the reality of it or not.

You mean this thread is for believers only?

The purpose of this thread was a call to action.

What action?

I'd love to hear ideas on how we can best get ourselves out of this mess

What mess?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Shill alert. A self-professed athiest and supporter of one world governance.....

Like a damn caricature. I honestly couldn't help but chuckle out loud when I read this. You need to up your game, it's getting too obvious at this point.

a reply to: TechUnique

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a reply to: Astyanax

Well, I hate to exclude you, but yes.

This thread was meant as a call to action.

Arguing with the believers (or should I say the "awake") isn't going to change anyone's minds. You're just deflecting from the original post by arguing, rather than letting those who feel compelled to come up with some SOLUTIONS talk about just that.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

You're more for it than against it?

Do you know how many people have died in the name of this preposterous plan? Presidents, soldiers, journalists, whistle blowers?

And IF the world turns into big brother? Oh my god. If?

It's already a reality.

I don't even want to know why you're for it. Your answer isn't worth our time.

I suppose you are a fan of the Nazis too?

a reply to: Astyanax

What mess?

Oh nothing.

Everything's just fine with the world, my friend. Everything is just fine.

I'd love to borrow your rose-colored glasses by the way. I honestly would.

I honestly don't see the issue with a NWO or a global government, so long as the people in power aren't bankers and corporate tycoons and their boards of directors...my belief is that humanity needs to get off of this planet and spread out, first to the rest of our solar system, then off to the rest of the galaxy - and the ONLY way we're going to make that happen is if the notion of nations and borders are abolished. We are one species, we have different cultures, we speak different languages, yes, but we all generally want the same things in life...there is absolutely no reason for us to perpetuate this archaic idea of nations...

One people, one planet, one flag.

originally posted by: TrappedPrincess
So now your assuming it is impossible??

Of course not. Just applying Occam's Razor. "The result with the fewest assumptions is likely the correct one."

Also being arrogant in thinking you would have a better end game for us than the more advanced beings would.

"If I were an alien race that wanted to annihilate the humans, I'd just engineer a super-virus that eliminated all the humans through disease. The humans wouldn't even know they were under attack as most of them fall to the disease.

How do you know that killing us is as simple as their goal would be, you don't and neither do I so don't pretend to. With all due respect oh argumentative one.

Well what else would they want to do with us? Enslave us? I'm sure they'd have robots to do their work for us. They MIGHT be peaceful, but looking how we behave with each other, I doubt that all of that race would be completely altruistic as well. I dunno, I just think the science fiction idea of an alien race coming to earth and blowing everything up is just largely inefficient and impractical.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Man is fallible - and the 'least of us' seem to be the only ones 'running the show', so-to-speak.

Sure world peace sounds nice, but if it's done under the helm of those who currently perch atop their elected positions, not as servants of the people, but think themselves rather rulers instead - it'll all be pure !#$%t.

It's been in planning for far longer than most of us on these boards have been alive.

It's going to be up to the people to stop it. Hopefully, we can ignore and set aside the differences that the politicians play upon almost daily - and come together to put a stop to it, and those who push it, thinking they are rulers of us, not representatives of us.

originally posted by: MRuss
a reply to: Krazysh0t

No one has made it illegal to "say something you aren't supposed to?"

Really? Have you read a paper lately?

You don't need illegalities to discourage behavior. I've read about war vets that spoke out against the war being hauled off to psych facilities, about reporters who've had their computers hacked, and journalists being killed and fired or humiliated.

Where have you been?

You've read about these things have you? Well care to reproduce any of these "readings" as evidence for your points? For all I know, you read a conspiracy blog that took a mundane event, added a ton of hyperbole and speculation, and declared that our rights were under assault.

originally posted by: DiggerDogg
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Shill alert. A self-professed athiest and supporter of one world governance.....

Like a damn caricature. I honestly couldn't help but chuckle out loud when I read this. You need to up your game, it's getting too obvious at this point.

You know it's against the T&C to call someone a shill right? Also, just because someone doesn't agree with a position doesn't make them a shill. Astyanax posted some figures earlier that showed that something like 28% of Americans believe that the NWO is real. That must make 72% of Americans shills right? Such idiocy... Does your camp even try anymore?

By the way, where did I ever profess to be an atheist?

I really cannot see the middle east, any part of it, kow towing to a 'world government', just how much notice does the middle east take of the UN? Sunni's and Shiites will be at each others throats for decades to come, Any self sufficient country with a pair will tell the NWO to 'get stuffed' as the Brits say.

originally posted by: BlackboxInquiry
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Man is fallible - and the 'least of us' seem to be the only ones 'running the show', so-to-speak.

Sure world peace sounds nice, but if it's done under the helm of those who currently perch atop their elected positions, not as servants of the people, but think themselves rather rulers instead - it'll all be pure !#$%t.

This is true of anyone. Are you 100% sure that you'd do it correctly?

It's been in planning for far longer than most of us on these boards have been alive.

No it hasn't. There have been people in the past who attempted it, but humans are notoriously short sighted. I see no reason why the elite would plan a plan that will take many generations to come to fruition, requiring them to pass the secrecy and all the developed plans down through the family, rely on them staying in power, rely on their countries to stay relevant, etc. It's just a ridiculous notion if you think about it logically.

In reality it's just a bunch of greedy assholes at the top, many of which have spent generations there, who will continue to exploit people so they can stay at the top. Many times it looks like collusion, but most of the time it is just a series of unrelated bad things working against the people.

It's going to be up to the people to stop it. Hopefully, we can ignore and set aside the differences that the politicians play upon almost daily - and come together to put a stop to it, and those who push it, thinking they are rulers of us, not representatives of us.

Wishful thinking. The colonies weren't even completely united during the Revolution. Hell, it took Ben Franklin and a bunch of propaganda (like lying about who the culprits of the Boston Massacre were) to get the rest of the colonies to join the war and unite against England.

a reply to: MRuss

Well, I hate to exclude you, but yes.

Where on this thread did you see me express either belief or unbelief? I have been discussing the structural and operational problems of a hypothetical world government with one of the other posters.

A call to action? Don't make me laugh. Conspiracy theorists act? Might as well train crocodiles to beg for peanuts.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
You know, I've always felt like it was weird that Christians would fear a one world government. Seems like a one world government would be the fastest way to obtain worldwide peace (something Christians are supposed to be desiring...). Even if the government itself was totalitarian, if there is no other government to war against, then there can be no war. That is unless you count civil wars or revolutionary wars, but then you may be able to argue that they are new governments.

That being said, OP you're wrong. The likelihood of a one world government in the near future or even our lifetimes is slim and none. We still have to worry about China and Russia integrating fully with this supposed government, and that isn't even worrying about the third world, the Muslim world, or areas of the world with little to no governance. Look how integrating the Muslim world with the west has been working out for us.

Heck the idea of a one world government is almost AGAINST what the "evil", rich businessmen would want. Under a one world government, all entities would be subjected to similar worker rights. How could the corrupt businessmen exploit the working classes of various third world parts of the world if the entire world was subjected to the same workers' rights laws?

An evil one world government just doesn't make any real sense, no matter what ways you slice it.

Your wrong. A one world government is an absolute inevitability, and it will not solve any problems. It will not stop wars, it will increase war against the innocence and those who want freedom, only sheeps will be left. It will increase corruption, waste, and all bad things that come with big government. Any one who thinks one giant government will be good should look at current governments, it is weird that anyone could advocate such a monster as the NWO, and believe they are doing good. More power for a select few, and the rest are slaves. I give it about 40-50 years for completion, and believe a major war is necessary to bring it together. It has never been possible until now, but can happen overnight. better to be prepared than unaware.

a reply to: cyborg41

First off, I never advocated that I wanted the NWO. Second off, you have no idea if it is an inevitability. I notice how you completely glossed over my points about conflicting ideologies around the world with the concept of a war. War hasn't unified the world yet, I'm not sure why people seem to think it will unify the world this time.

We already have new world order it's not even new any more....

As for the ''one world government'' we also have that.... Western societies and their banks, rule the world... so what's new?

just the same sh!t over history,the super rich always rule the world... again and again and again....

As for the countries they are all ruled by big corporations using their Muppet politicians same story again.
and since most of them are international corporations using more than one country's political power,
we speak of international organisms that rule the world.

And we are still afraid of the NWO? ... lol what do you think will change?

the worst that could happen is realize that we are slaves....
So nothing wrong with that, acknowledging your slavery is the first step to revolution.
but as long as people think they are free, nothing will ever change.

originally posted by: MRuss
a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

You're more for it than against it?

Do you know how many people have died in the name of this preposterous plan? Presidents, soldiers, journalists, whistle blowers?

And IF the world turns into big brother? Oh my god. If?

It's already a reality.

I don't even want to know why you're for it. Your answer isn't worth our time.

Ouch, quite an assumption but assumptions are atypical of the human species... especially without some key information in my post. You say "we" meaning everyone doesn't want to know... spectacular, and too bad... here it is anyway.

I am for a one world beyond borders, like the unified Earth from Star Trek.

Not this global wide mess of a nightmare, that's attempting it in a very cold and calculating fashion without any regard to life and lively hood of the world's populations... I know they will use the whole it was for "the greater good" excuse in the end... it already is a scar on the face of humanity, like the Nazi nonsense is, but most of the casualties in it's "progress" have no idea that's what has been going on... from the puppet government we tried to setup in place of France in Vietnam(what really started it) to 9/11/01 that ushered in the the patriot act, to being imprisoned without any kind of trial indefinitely, and what kicked off the war on "terror" aka the cash cow around the world to put this agenda in overdrive. Remember how they were talking about we are over populated back in the Kerry/Bush election era? They've hushed that down since then haven't they? It once was a major talking point right alongside of globalization. I am sure they've crunched numbers on the loss of life like any contingency plan does, the scary thing is why did they stop talking about it all of a sudden when it was a huge talking point?

Was the twin towers a false flag? That gave turbo to the agenda... I don't honestly know. The strange thing? As soon as it seems like it tips to not, something else tips to it is... I am still reserving judgement. I don't like the outcome either way false flag or not. This video I stumbled on has me tipped back on the false flag side to be honest though.

Please note this was in 1989 right before Operation Desert Shield in 1990 that got the US and it's allies smack dab in the middle of the Middle East's business of war... pay close attention to the dialog, it's too descriptively accurate to what happened. It makes me think of Bush Sr. looking really creepy said his New World Order dialog... was he going to have it carried out himself? I mean, where's the best place to hide information a lot of investors to this sort of mess, need to know other than in plain sight? Without anyone getting wire tapped or their communications intercepted... all they would have to say is did you watch wrestling the other night? Sounds innocent enough.

Anyway here's the video interview "The Megapowers vs. The Twin Towers" blatantly named much?



Anyhoo... I'm not for "this" road to a world without borders. It can be accomplished pretty damn easy using diplomacy and cutting greed out of the equation. The money spent on the war in the middle east? Could have solved world hunger... there's no excuse for it going the way it has been. I have a feeling they knew how much resistance it would have got if they just dropped the plan for a united world... it wouldn't have gotten off the ground, so it's been a covert operation in disguise as many many other things.

The government for it was the first thing they established, it's called the UN. Does anyone think they'd unite then form the government for it? Government has to be up and rolling well ahead of time... is it yet another co-incidence that every single country Bush called the axis of evil has or had no diplomatic ties to Vatican City? Why call them a hinge point of "evil" if there are no religious ties to the thinking? Of course, the course has changed to where they stopped saying terror and instead have been using extremism... why? Because that terminology fits the new battle front... any religious adherent that holds ideologies counter to their process. Of course the sick thing is Republicans pander to that base, just so it seems as if some sort of democracy where peoples voice matters. It doesn't count in national at all; zip squat I have a thread on that too floating around. Citizens united etc. or just outright campaign donations from out of state billionaires is working on removing our voice from local and state politics too. That has been our only bastion of democracy that actually mattered. World stage events policy etc? We have no voice in it. Unless you're a billionaire, politician, or multinational corporation.

Bear in mind, I am not a conspiracy person... I don't like reaching, philosophy and science are my two main jams. I believe in absolutely nothing, not even a purpose for life other than, the purpose we chose to give our-self, if we haven't took the government and or religions reason and purpose for being as our own aka the molds. I'm autistic, with an IQ of over 180, I am compelled to gather all sorts of data... and my photographic memory hasn't completely left me yet, so everything I've ever read is right there to compare side by side and piece together in a post. I am not trying to link any data or trying to find something to fit what I want to fit, it just fits. I ingest data, and spit it back out when the situation calls for it. I'd like for none of this to be what it appears to be... but my cognitive dissonance to maintain a bubble of nah this crap isn't real or happening this way... crumbles a bit more every damn day I spend on world events etc.

My apologies for any confusion previously, there is just so much inside the ol noggin on some topics... they can jump around a tad or fragment when the topic flood gate opens... and there are only so many characters to fit in the little box :p

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You are sounding foolish. Just because something is presented as one entity doesn't mean that it can't defy justice. In this world are individuals. Now what would you say if one billion individuals were "governed" into doing factory work for 16 hours a day while one thousand were out doing everything they want.

There is no proper way to do this government thing. Always the power will be given to individuals with their own individual interests and the power will be taken from everyone else.

a reply to: 8fl0z

The problem is the road they have been taking to get there, casualties are an acceptable and accounted for loss in their equation. In fact, most say we are way over populated... from Bill Gates to Al Gore, so I am sure many gaining from the blood shed and unrest, see that casualty figure as a win and not a loss.

Is it any co-incidence that the public was spoon-fed this business about elites, alphas and betas etc? It's a de-humanization of 98% of humanity... the silly part is people thinking they have a place in it, by running around acting elitist and popping collars... under 10 million bank roll? Your state politicians, won't even give you the time of day with that chump change... so it's a good idea people wake up from this sort of programming.

Someone may argue, no one is programmed. Um World Cup much? Never in my 42 years, have I ever heard so much about the world cup as last year. No one outside of South America cares about soccer(football) and all of a sudden it takes the world by storm and it's on everyone's lips... and people were going nuts over it, why all of a sudden? That's the herd, that's the status quotient that gauges how impressionable the herd is, that's why.