The Hasty Withdrawal of Russian Special Forces from Luhansk Linked to the Threat of Rebellion

a reply to: Greathouse

Some of the USAIC "support" is well known.

pando.com...
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: greyhat

So you base your information on blogs that base their information on speculation?

Marcy Wheeler, who is the new site’s “senior policy analyst,” speculated that the Ukraine revolution was likely a “coup” engineered by “deep” forces on behalf of “Pax Americana”:

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Presidents change, burocracy policies are stable as long as nobody tells them to change them.

Seems it took some time for the Russians to find out that USAID is used as a CIA frontend and destabilization tool.

a reply to: Greathouse

Its definitely not worse than the blog post speculations in the opening post of this thread.

And if you try to understand the text you cited you will see that the autor checked these speculations.

"These are serious claims. So serious that I decided to investigate them. And what I found was shocking."

pando.com...

a reply to: greyhat

Okay you're right the US financed a coup against Yako and they started in 1991. Remote viewers were in on it plus we used our secret time machine to go into the future to verify when we should start our groundwork.

a reply to: Greathouse

They also sent their mudja dogs of war against Russia to Chechnya in the early 90s...

It just means the cold war never really ended because it wasnt really "won" and interests in Russias natural resources also never ended. NATO expanded into the east and the destabilization attempts continued.

This time they try to drive Russia into isolation and bankruptcy, because new natural gas recources were found that could bridge the European energy needs for some time, so they can play the next level. Another try to buy Russia for glass perls. But it hast to look "legal" for the history books.

a reply to: greyhat

Untrue

But what is true is that heavy hand Putin use there. We see the Russian media blasting headlines about civilians killed in the eastern Ukraine.

Yet Putin tore Chechnya down brick by brick you guys don't want to talk about that. That's just more proof of the Russian propaganda regime.

a reply to: Greathouse

True.

And yes, thats how "war on terror" looks like. US bombed ruins look similar, both armies use the same explosives, you know?

"Bin Laden Group Aiding Chechen Rebels, U.S. Says
December 04, 1999|From Associated Press"

articles.latimes.com...

a reply to: greyhat

Sure Islamic terrorists tend to aid Islamic terrorists. Now what you're going to try to do is go back to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan where we aided the mujahedin and claim we founded Al Qaeda.

I always found that logic to be rather perverse.

My favorite comparison is. If the US founded Al Qaeda by giving the Mujahedin weapons. By that logic the Soviet Union and Russian federation must be responsible for every RPG or AK-47 in terrorist hands.

a reply to: greyhat

It just means the cold war never really ended because it wasnt really "won" and interests in Russias natural resources also never ended. NATO expanded into the east and the destabilization attempts continued.

So when did NATO destabilize anything in Ukraine, as they aren't in Ukraine?

And yes the cold war ended...

The End of the Cold War

By mid-1990, many of the Soviet republics had declared their independence. Turmoil in the Soviet Union continued, as there were several attempts at overthrowing Gorbachev. On December 8, 1991, the Soviet Union ceased to exist. Boris Yeltsin, president of the Russian Republic, formed the Commonwealth of Independent States (C.I.S.). After 45 years, the Cold War was over.

www.atomicarchive.com...

a reply to: greyhat

If Ukraine had so much natural gas already available, why did they need to buy gas from Russia?

Natural gas needs to be pumped out of the ground. That requires infrastructure. It takes time and money to build the infrastructure, time and money Yanukovytch wasted out of deference to his Russian masters.

a reply to: Greathouse

No. They were founded by the Sauds, but with knowledge and support of the US via Pakistan.

Later the US used them as ground troops in Chechnya and Bosnia.

There must have been some kind of divorce in the middle of the 1990s. Maybe OBL made a deal with the Iranians when they fought together in Bosnia. Islamic revolution 2.0, sunni edition, this time democracy in Saudi Arabia or something else against US interests...

Whatever it was, since then all mudjas are seen as terrorists.

Brigadier General Ahmad Reza Pourdastan: "After the fall of the Soviet Union, the Americans felt that a new force was beginning to materialise, namely the union between Sunnis and Shias. The basis of this force was the blessed Islamic Revolution in Iran, this force is Islam, or the Islamic world. ...The first thing they did was to plan and carry out the events of 9/11, in order to justify their presence in Western Asia, with the goal of ruling it"
www.independent.co.uk...

The Iranians still protect some of OBLs family members.
edition.cnn.com...

And even Ahmadinedwarf is said to have served as pasdaran in Bosnia.

a reply to: greyhat

Maybe OBL made a deal with the Iranians when they fought together in Bosnia. Islamic revolution 2.0, sunni edition, this time democracy in Saudi Arabia or something else against US interests...

I hesitate to post this list of terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia in 2003 alone. Because I believe your response may be to claim they were all false flags?

But what the hell let's give it a whirl.

12 May (See Riyadh Compound Bombings) 35 are killed and over 200 wounded during a suicide attack on the Vinnell Compound in Riyadh. Western sources report that National Guard collusion was involved and there are rumors of large numbers of Western expats leaving the country.[6]

31 May 2 police officers and a militant are killed.

14 June Security forces raided a building in the Khalidiya neighborhood of Makkah. Two Saudi police officers and five suspects were killed in a shootout. Twelve suspects were arrested including two from Chad and one Egyptian.[7][8]

28 July Six militants — four Saudis and two Chadians — and two police officers were killed in a police raid on a farm outside of Al-Qasim. The four Saudis were identified as Ahmad Al-Dakheel, Kareem Olayyan Al-Ramthan Al-Harbi, Saud Aamir Suleiman Al-Qurashi, and Muhammad Ghazi Saleem Al-Harbi. The Chadians were Isa Kamal Yousuf Khater and Isa Saleh Ali Ahmed. Another Saudi wanted person, identified as Ibrahim ibn Abdullah Khalaf Al-Harbi, was arrested after he being injured.[9]

23 September Three militants and a police officer are killed in a gunfight at a Riyadh hospital.

20 October Police raid hideout in Riyadh and capture a large supply of weapons.

3 November Police surround militant hideout in Riyadh and kill two.

6 November Two militants surrounded by the police in Riyadh blow themselves up.

8 November A truck bomb explodes at an Arab housing compound in Riyadh, killing 17 and injuring 120.

8 December an unnamed militant is killed at a Riyadh gas station.


I sourced wiki it's easiest. But look it up if you want to and then look at the next 12 years.

Americans felt that a new force was beginning to materialise, namely the union between Sunnis and Shias.

And that union is completely evident today. But only when they aren't chopping each other's heads off.

Is it me or is someone here trying to build up their post count?

originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: greyhat

Maybe OBL made a deal with the Iranians when they fought together in Bosnia. Islamic revolution 2.0, sunni edition, this time democracy in Saudi Arabia or something else against US interests...

I hesitate to post this list of terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia in 2003 alone. Because I believe your response may be to claim they were all false flags?...

Americans felt that a new force was beginning to materialise, namely the union between Sunnis and Shias.

And that union is completely evident today. But only when they aren't chopping each other's heads off.

OBL seems to have tried to bring some of the Iranian islamic revolution concept to Saudi Arabia. He was angry ever since the Sauds brought US troops to "holy land" instead of letting him throw the Iraqies out of Kuweit.

Of cause the US and the house of Saud were unhappy about that. But it didnt work, OBL wasnt able to ignite a popular revolutionary movement in SA.

2006 the Paks got him and maybe the Saudis didnt take his head, because he could become useful as a witness. When the US/Saud coalition needed to deepen the rift between shia and sunni in 2011 in order to get free fighters to get rid of Assad in Syria and push back Iranian influence in Iraq they killed OBL. He could have calmed down the heat they needed.

Since then the Sauds are in command again, Raider is now Twix and Al Quaeda is now called ISIS.


Syria now connects that mess to Russia. Seems Assad and Putin have a deal: Assad lets the Russians control Israels airspace (early warning) and spy a little and stops gas pipeline plans from Quatar direction EU, Putin delivers the weapons and ammu they need to fight that half-civil war.

a reply to: yuppa

If you're talking about me I tried my first Redbull today.

a reply to: greyhat

What Russian comic book do you get your history from?

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