Religion and Gay Rights. A noted commentator changes his tune.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

It is a wonder to behold...............when a human sees the light that the extension of love is limitless, especially one that professes his/her faith in the Christ.........and sees the light of love especially towards someone that loves and wants to be loved.

S&F

Good for him.

When someone sees the light, it's to be celebrated. I'll drink one for him tonight.

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I've never understood the mindset of people who seem to think that the way others live their lives is somehow a personal impact on their own lives.

It makes no logical sense to me.

Yet this is exactly what the LGBT community is about. The belief that heterosexuality has impacted their lives in so many ways that they now require A, B, C, etc.

originally posted by: prepared4truth

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I've never understood the mindset of people who seem to think that the way others live their lives is somehow a personal impact on their own lives.

It makes no logical sense to me.

Yet this is exactly what the LGBT community is about. The belief that heterosexuality has impacted their lives in so many ways that they now require A, B, C, etc.

Here's the funny thing, when you say "Impacted their lives in so many ways that they require ____" You are kind of validating the idea that gays have had their lives impacted. Those requests are made for things they lack. There are people preventing them from having those things.

Fill in the A B and C. What do gays request? The right to get married? That's not a special right, it's an equal right. Who is preventing that right? How many of these rights are being protected based on feelings of superiority. The old "If the gays touch my right, my right becomes meaningless" Non sense. I wish people would stop hoarding freedom and happiness.

I often repeat this to myself when i see certain posts...

originally posted by: mahatche

originally posted by: prepared4truth

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I've never understood the mindset of people who seem to think that the way others live their lives is somehow a personal impact on their own lives.

It makes no logical sense to me.

Yet this is exactly what the LGBT community is about. The belief that heterosexuality has impacted their lives in so many ways that they now require A, B, C, etc.

Here's the funny thing, when you say "Impacted their lives in so many ways that they require ____" You are kind of validating the idea that gays have had their lives impacted. Those requests are made for things they lack. There are people preventing them from having those things.

I am validating the idea, indeed. My post did not say that the LGBT community is wrong to feel impacted. Just pointing out that saying one side or the other (lol) is more logical is foolish.

Fill in the A B and C. What do gays request? The right to get married? That's not a special right, it's an equal right. Who is preventing that right? How many of these rights are being protected based on feelings of superiority. The old "If the gays touch my right, my right becomes meaningless" Non sense. I wish people would stop hoarding freedom and happiness.

I think that a feeling of superiority is prevalent on both sides and represents each gender's willingness to survive and I support it. That is why many people who choose to attack another community get so defensive. It is a matter of survival.

Gender seems to me to be more of a philosophy than anything else... Everybody has some political agenda to push.

Christianity has the potential to be a really positive thing.

It is too bad when it is ruined by people who are against homosexuals or hate other groups.

originally posted by: prepared4truth

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I've never understood the mindset of people who seem to think that the way others live their lives is somehow a personal impact on their own lives.

It makes no logical sense to me.

Yet this is exactly what the LGBT community is about. The belief that heterosexuality has impacted their lives in so many ways that they now require A, B, C, etc.

No. They just want to have access to the same rights everyone has. A simple thing. They just want to go on and say marry, or not, as they see fit, without having to bother with laws/ideologies from people hiding their fears of difference drapped in 2000 years old scriptures written and rewritten by middle ages priests. Can't you see there is on one side a bunch of people born homosexual wanting to get the same life as the others born hetero?

Can't people think outside of those holy books once in a while???

a reply to: Sublimecraft

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

It is a wonder to behold...............when a human sees the light that the extension of love is limitless, especially one that professes his/her faith in the Christ.........and sees the light of love especially towards someone that loves and wants to be loved.

S&F

Amen. Truly!

Christ is about mercy - loving forgiveness. Christianity can be such a powerfully inspiring thing if more practiced love and forgiveness more.

As Christ said, "let your light so shine and glorify your Father in Heaven". He has shown his light by accepting others.

Even if he believed being gay is a sin, Leviticus also says it's a sin to not be a virgin when getting married and if he could accept them - since they are doing no harm to others, then it is good to accept gay people, too.

What I've never been to get my head around is some Christians using their religion to deny equal rights to groups the bible doesn't agree with when Christ went out of his way to spend time with prostitutes and people society saw as outcasts. Its kind of what he was all about. Denying equal rights to people based on a religion that is based on a man who actively tried to spend time with people others judged and shunned just strikes me as ridiculous. If Christ landed back on this planet now I would suspect he would be completely horrified at how much the message he tried so hard to teach has been lost somewhere along the way.

originally posted by: prepared4truth
Yet this is exactly what the LGBT community is about. The belief that heterosexuality has impacted their lives in so many ways that they now require A, B, C, etc.

Not heterosexuality. Bigotry. Not all heterosexuals are on a mission to deny them equal rights. Just the bigots among us.

If A, B and C are:
The legal right to marry (and the 1000 benefits that go along with that)
The legal right to adopt and raise kids
The legal right to be served in a public accommodation...

Then I don't see the problem with wanting or requiring those...

Great article.

I hope these good people realize that with the right to marriage comes the right to divorce. If I was to have a choice of oppression, I would prefer they took away my right to marriage.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
I hope these good people realize that with the right to marriage comes the right to divorce.

Gosh, I don't know if they know that! Maybe they should rethink this thing... LOL!

Seriously, both of my marriages AND my first divorce were blessings.

If I was to have a choice of oppression, I would prefer they took away my right to marriage.

Self-imposed oppression is the way to go. I doubt you'd want the government oppressing you, when they sanction others, for the same action.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Can I be creeped out though? Am I allowed? Just seems.. uhm, nasty to me. They can do whatever they want though, as far as I'm concerned. I'll probably treat them just like anyone else.

I don't really like the stereotype either, I mean do they really talk like that? Makes them seem like walking caricatures to me. Disclaimer: I don't really know any gay people though, I have barely met any gay people. My view is based on pop culture stereotypes, ha!.. so go easy on me.

What do you other hetero guys say about this, do you find the idea of two men having sex objectionable? I do, but I also don't like the idea of anal sex in general... it's not supposed to be used that way! What about the.. waste? Way too freaky.. does that make me prudish?

Seems anal sex is all the rage these days. I remember some old ATS member mentioning how in his days it was largely seen as verging on latent homosexuality. And that porno movies indoctrinated young men into focusing on anal sex.

As for this guy, good for him.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
Can I be creeped out though? Am I allowed?

Yes.

I don't really like the stereotype either, I mean do they really talk like that?

Every 'group' has a stereotype. Have you seen the Planet Fitness ads showing the typical "gym jock" guy and "gym groupie" girls? They're pretty sickening. But there are always going to be some people who fit a stereotype. Not all gay people "talk like that". But some do. I've been exposed to so many, I think they're cute.

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What do you other hetero guys say about this, do you find the idea of two men having sex objectionable?

I don't like to see two men together sexually. Or think about it. It doesn't appeal to me at all. So, I don't. But I don't spend much time thinking about ANYONE else having sex. There's a lot more to a relationship than that.

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

Can you answer me this? Why do you think about gay sex? What about it interests you?

I don't care whether or not gay people do this or that but it always intrigues me when people bring their sexual activities in the topic about rights for homosexuals.

I see gay people here and there yet not one time did the thought of them having sex enter my mind.

I will never understand gay men, gay women I understand.

Women are beautiful, what could they possibly see in another man. Oh well one of life's mysteries and I say do what you want. It's don't affect me either way. Two people of the same sex getting married will not ever impact my life in no way.

originally posted by: prepared4truth

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I've never understood the mindset of people who seem to think that the way others live their lives is somehow a personal impact on their own lives.

It makes no logical sense to me.

Yet this is exactly what the LGBT community is about. The belief that heterosexuality has impacted their lives in so many ways that they now require A, B, C, etc.

Yeah, how DARE they demand things like equality!

The nerve of those gays.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I hear you.

They also seem awfully materialistic and superficial. Would you say that would be a fair assessment comparing averages between heterosexuals and homosexuals?

Just asking since you have the experience. Conversely, I also wonder what some of their positive stereotypes might be?

a reply to: thefallenone

Do you expect me to never have thought about it at all?

What a good and upstanding citizen you are though. To never even have thought about it, I'm very impressed. You must be the Buddha of Infinite Tolerance... cause I take it that's the hidden insinuation here, that I am intolerant and bigoted for having a natural gut reaction of revulsion over the thought of a man sticking his penis into the anus of another man - the place from where we defecate?

Just checking.

Let them marry, but let me be creeped out by that particular thought. I'm not exactly obsessing over it over here, I could really care less.

(Edit: I get the feeling that someone will misunderstand so let me clarify. It is not the thought of gays marrying that creeps me out. There.)

a reply to: TheLaughingGod

I'm not judging, just interested in why you think of it?

I am not the Buddha of tolerance... I am being honest, if something doesn't interest me, I just never think about it. For instance. I am not gay so men do not interest me so therefore sex with them never enters my mind, same thing with animals, children, inanimate objects..etc.

No judgment, just curiosity as to why think about it?