If those tapes had ever been seen, the reaction around the world would not have been survivable

All you've done is point out that all the torture victims were muslim. Your list doesn't prove their guilt. You're just parroting the official narrative. All I read was: We tortured this guy cuz he's a muslim, we tortured that man because he's muslim...a reply to: Aliensun

originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: Aliensun

Then just take the constitution and burn it and stop ACTING like your a law abiding American. Because your not.

You just hit the nail on the head. The Constitution has already been shredded and burned up. We no longer live in a lawful Constitutional Republic.

a reply to: muchmadness

Well, to start with the people in the videos were later determined to be innocent. We quite literally gathered random Muslims off the streets and tortured them for information, then later claimed we couldn't release those people because our treatment of them would motivate them to act against us if they were released.

Also, we didn't stop at waterboarding. The CIA still won't admit everything they did and they'll never have to because Bush gave them all blanket immunity.

a reply to: Aliensun

And how many of those Muslims you listed were CIA Muslims?

originally posted by: WeRpeons
I would have to say the same thing about the 911 security camera video tapes from surrounding businesses.

Exactly.

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

If rather doubt that prediction. The American public has gotten tired of terrorist acts over the decades and I grant the CIA full power to act as they see fit. Before you jump to defend the lives of terrorists--those were not innocent civilians wateboarded--go over the following list.

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

so they say....

a reply to: muchmadness
So they are just setting the standard for what others can do to them. Anyone who tortures rapes or kills children deserves any and all things that may be done to them . As god is just these people must bear out their conscience and it will take as long as it takes until they realise their errors and that goes for the people on both sides as god does not take sides. As they say karma is a bitch.
It would not even take America loosing a war with all the current weapons. If china or Russia were involved we could quite easily make the surface of this planet almost unihabitable. It is no good winning a war on an uninhabitable planet

a reply to: Aliensun

Who are you, Rupert Murdoch?

You should have a job working for The Sun.

Remember people - You must hate all Muslims because they are terrorists.

Good job they all look the same, we know who to aim our angst at now.

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: Blackmarketeer


The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

George Bush isn't a Muslim.
Who killed more people?
Who pushed the DOJ to find ways to legalize torture?

Just a little fyi: of those tortured in the war on terror less than 1% were actually involved in any terrorist activity.
I guess the rest were just along for the fun of it.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Hey, at least they got the free dental work up while they were being tortured. Well....kind of.

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

If rather doubt that prediction. The American public has gotten tired of terrorist acts over the decades and I grant the CIA full power to act as they see fit. Before you jump to defend the lives of terrorists--those were not innocent civilians wateboarded--go over the following list.

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

First, waterboarding is torture, violates human rights, and was categorized as a war crime since WWII. Fact.

Second, I could just as easily write a MUCH bigger list of the crimes of the CIA, all demonstrable.

It is impossible to both truly support American principles such as universal human rights, due process, freedom from tyranny (including torture), and also support the CIA or US government violating these abroad.

You need to pick. Can't do both.

"An injustice somewhere is an injustice everywhere." -MLK Jr.

originally posted by: IntroduceALittleIrony
a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Ehh I'm not going to lose sleep or feel guilty about someone who will potentially murder innocent women and children, having to deal will a little water and sleep deprivation. We give them far better than they would us in their captivity.

A large proportion of people tortured turned out to be totally innocent..... That's one reason among many why torture is wrong. You know.. Like not abusing innocent people's human rights without due process.

Second. It has been proven via lots of research that torture doesn't really produce reliable intel anyways. It's basically pointless and gratuitous violence.

originally posted by: CharlesT

originally posted by: Dimithae
a reply to: Aliensun

Then just take the constitution and burn it and stop ACTING like your a law abiding American. Because your not.

You just hit the nail on the head. The Constitution has already been shredded and burned up. We no longer live in a lawful Constitutional Republic.

You say that trying to back a pathetic opinion however the Constitution is alive and well unless you have news about its repeal that none of us have seen.

You claim the following...

originally posted by: Aliensun

The American public has gotten tired of terrorist acts over the decades

...and then provide a lengthy list of 'acts of terrorism' only a couple of which actually took place in the US!

I guess terrorism's OK when it's funded by Americans - like those great 'Irish-Americans' who funded NORAID for decades yet couldn't find Ireland on a map if their lives depended on it.

a reply to: IntroduceALittleIrony

I agree.

Also, this is my first post ever on ATS.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Why are you so shocked?

The American people, and other people all over the world can't be bothered to see to it that their streets are repaired...why would something like this be so shocking to you?

It's called apathy.

Oh, we call any number of other things that make it sound better...or cast the blame elsewhere, but it is what it is.

Apathy. We flat don't give a flying **bleep**.

a reply to: amberinsc

Congrats!! ...and welcome.

a reply to: Aliensun

Watch out, Jaffar is hiding behind every tree!

The world must be a very scary and confusing place to some people.

a reply to: seagull

Thank ya! I have visited the site for awhile now and decided "Eh, I might as well join." Still trying to figure this all out. Just discovered how to add a pic and all. I thought it would be much smaller. My head looks rather large.