Feds seek to keep assault rifle parts seized from Connecticut gun-maker - Stag Arms

Wow....Stag Arms has to be boiling at this....talk about the FED really just trying to mess with a company. These guys MAKE these parts. Are serial numbers expected to be on them immediately after machining? It isn't like they are selling them direct to customers with no serials....that would have put them out of business LONG ago. FED has overstepped its boundaries on this case......this is ridiculous. I guess the guy that does the serial numbers is no longer allowed to go on vacation.

Sad thing is, I bet the FED actually uses some of their builds....they are great rifles! FED probably saw an opportunity to grab some free weapons with no serials to use in other areas of business and went for it.....

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Federal authorities are seeking to keep a third of the nearly 300 assault rifle parts they seized from a Connecticut gun-maker that prosecutors allege broke federal firearm regulations.

Prosecutors asked a federal judge in Bridgeport earlier this month to allow the U.S. government to retain the AR-15 parts confiscated in September from Stag Arms in New Britain.

Federal agents say they found about 3,000 AR-15 parts without required serial numbers and seized some of them.

Court documents say the father of Stag Arms' owner Mark Malkowski told authorities the employee who puts serial numbers on parts was on vacation. Malkowski has been critical of state gun laws passed after the Newtown school shooting.

Stag Arms officials say changes have been made to ensure compliance with the law.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

or....the Feds were just enforcing the law, but of course that couldn't be it, because that doesn't generate the fear needed, for gun owners and the NRA against our government.

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: Vasa Croe

or....the Feds were just enforcing the law, but of course that couldn't be it, because that doesn't generate the fear needed, for gun owners and the NRA against our government.

They found 3000 parts without serial numbers at a manufacturer, and are only seeking to keep a third of them? Yeah....that sounds like following the law. What...their storage locker can't hold them all so they are only keeping the really good stuff?

Please....this story wreaks of a gun grab. I guess the law only holds up for the 1/3 they are stealing....the other 2/3 are now deemed ok by the same law.....nice.

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: Vasa Croe

or....the Feds were just enforcing the law, but of course that couldn't be it, because that doesn't generate the fear needed, for gun owners and the NRA against our government.

So the law says that the serial number must be on the parts before they are finished?

I believe it is before they are sold.

Are you a anti gun type?

You seem to be from your NRA comment.

What has the NRA done that unions don't do, or any other group?

I bet you are a liberal as well?

Judging from your "against our gov" comment, it seems that way.

Because most say the gov not "our" gov.

This hasn't been "our" gov since ike was president.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

How long does it take to put the serial number on them after they get made?

I ask cause you make the situation where they didn't have enough time, so do you know how long it takes?

Oh the guy was on vacation... I guess that makes every thing a ok!

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Why do they always have to act so sketchy?

I don't get it.

If the parts are not in compliance then fine them, not confiscate their property.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

This situation raises many questions, and is disturbing. Did someone within the company notify BATF of non-compliance with procedures? Where the non-stamped parts discovered during a routine inspection? I find it difficult to believe that only one employee has the training to stamp parts with the required serial numbers, with Stag's production capabilities. I found a discussion of this topic on AR15.com, and will link any pertinent information.
I don't know if US Gov. has contracts with Stag, as CMMG has been a stalwart supplier of guns/parts for the past few years.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Vasa Croe

How long does it take to but the serial number on them after they get made?

I ask cause you make the situation where they didn't have enough time, so do you know how long it takes?

It depends on the method.

But not long.

This is how manufacturing works.

They don't make and serial number one part at a time.

They make a lot of parts, and the guy marking them just gets handed batches at a time he marks.

He was on vacation, so they just kept making parts so the guy could mark them when he got back.

This isn't some nefarious activity by the company, this is how manufacturing works, I did it for years.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

I have been to both this plant and Colt's factory nearby as they were a customer of the company I worked for. They have milk crates full of semi-machined parts laying all over the place and many of them are out of tolerance and would likely be destroyed. I would wager that the bulk of the 3,000 mentioned in the article fall under this category.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Vasa Croe

How long does it take to but the serial number on them after they get made?

I ask cause you make the situation where they didn't have enough time, so do you know how long it takes?

Not a clue as to how long it takes. I don't know their process for serializing. There are multiple parts on an AR that have to be serialized. It would depend on the machinery they are using to do it, and how many parts they have to do.

Either way, the guy that does it was on vacation....it isn't like they were distributing these around the country with no serials...they were still at their manufacturing facility. Now the FED's decide they could use a few AR's around and decide to only take a third of what they claim is illegal......shady to say the least. I guess some parts were more illegal than others.......or more sought after by the FED's....

originally posted by: Boscowashisnamo
a reply to: Vasa Croe

This situation raises many questions, and is disturbing. Did someone within the company notify BATF of non-compliance with procedures? Where the non-stamped parts discovered during a routine inspection? I find it difficult to believe that only one employee has the training to stamp parts with the required serial numbers, with Stag's production capabilities. I found a discussion of this topic on AR15.com, and will link any pertinent information.
I don't know if US Gov. has contracts with Stag, as CMMG has been a stalwart supplier of guns/parts for the past few years.

That is good point though.

It is not a hard job to mark parts.

Are they stamped or engraved or cut into them?

We just stamped metal parts at the factory I worked in, but never made gun parts.

www.nbcconnecticut.com...#

Another source that says the reason they took the 100 or so is that these were at a separate site
So these parts had been manufactured and then transported with no serial numbers.

And that they even came back weeks later and still no SN.

Not so sure this is just olé poor stag an bad gubment going after them.

Seems more stag is violating federal law.

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: Vasa Croe

or....the Feds were just enforcing the law, but of course that couldn't be it, because that doesn't generate the fear needed, for gun owners and the NRA against our government.

No, the law states that they must be serialized before they are shipped out. They do not have to be serialized until the end of the complete assembly process. Think of it logically--otherwise the law would mean they had to serialize solid blocks of aluminum.

a reply to: Vasa Croe

Nope they were not still in the facility, took me 5 min to find one other source to show that is the case.

Crazy how fox news forgot to mention that...

Federal law requires all firearms to be stamped with serial numbers at the time they are manufactured. Without serial numbers, guns can't legally be moved

Or this...

a reply to: johnwick

no, I'm not an "anti-gun type"....would I have to be, to follow federal law?....there is obviously more to this story, maybe it would be the governments side that you would want to also read, to get a more balanced idea of what went on.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Vasa Croe

I have been to both this plant and Colt's factory nearby as they were a customer of the company I worked for. They have milk crates full of semi-machined parts laying all over the place and many of them are out of tolerance and would likely be destroyed. I would wager that the bulk of the 3,000 mentioned in the article fall under this category.

That is what is so odd to me about this though. There were 3000 parts they stated, yet they only are trying to keep roughly 100 of them.....sounds like they just wanted some really nice, free AR's to me.....

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Vasa Croe

I have been to both this plant and Colt's factory nearby as they were a customer of the company I worked for. They have milk crates full of semi-machined parts laying all over the place and many of them are out of tolerance and would likely be destroyed. I would wager that the bulk of the 3,000 mentioned in the article fall under this category.

So they have to mark the scrap parts as well?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Vasa Croe

Nope they were not still in the facility, took me 5 min to find one other source to show that is the case.

Crazy how fox news forgot to mention that...

Got a link?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
www.nbcconnecticut.com...#

Another source that says the reason they took the 100 or so is that these were at a separate site
So these parts had been manufactured and then transported with no serial numbers.

And that they even came back weeks later and still no SN.

Not so sure this is just olé poor stag an bad gubment going after them.

Seems more stag is violating federal law.

I like how the article deceptively shows a picture of a complete rifle when they are talking about incomplete receivers. All large manufacturers have several sites where they do work and all large manufacturers find it cost effective to do large runs of parts that they store until needed to manufacture the final product.

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Vasa Croe

I have been to both this plant and Colt's factory nearby as they were a customer of the company I worked for. They have milk crates full of semi-machined parts laying all over the place and many of them are out of tolerance and would likely be destroyed. I would wager that the bulk of the 3,000 mentioned in the article fall under this category.

So they have to mark the scrap parts as well?

Nope.

But of course this is the same agency that once declared a shoestring a machine gun part because if you tied it around a trigger just right, it could cause the rifle to "bump fire" and simulate full auto.

submitting a weapon for testing is a “costly and lengthy process” that would not be necessary if the ATF wrote detailed regulations. For example, he said, there are no written regulations on how to modify a machine gun made before a ban went into effect in 1986.

He noted that ATF once issued a letter ruling saying a 14-inch shoestring was a machine gun because it could be used to convert a semi-automatic rifle into an automatic weapon. The letter was later rescinded.

In other cases, the ATF has rescinded letter rulings and caused problems for those who had begun production or sales based on approvals. Contradictory rulings have cost gun manufacturers and dealers hundreds of thousands of dollars in spent and anticipated revenue.



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