Why are Asians discriminated against in SAT scores?

Why isn't everyone scored equally?

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African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.


Asian Americans would lose out under affirmative action
She points to the second column.

“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”

The last column draws gasps.

Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.

“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,” Lee says.

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The complaint, filed by a coalition of 64 organizations, says the university has set quotas to keep the numbers of Asian-American students significantly lower than the quality of their applications merits. It cites third-party academic research on the SAT exam showing that Asian-Americans have to score on average about 140 points higher than white students, 270 points higher than Hispanic students and 450 points higher than African-American students to equal their chances of gaining admission to Harvard. The exam is scored on a 2400-point scale.

Does anyone else think this discrimination against Asian Americans is unfair and ridiculous?

a reply to: kcgads

Apparently, there appears to be a desire to limit life play to the "noob" setting with no opportunity to be challenged and improve.

I suppose the influx of inexperienced entitled virtual NPCs will likely solve itself when they discover that there aren't infinite lives on this level.

The handicap is severe for the experienced players who start out with one hand and one leg tied together for the sake of "fairness".

It's as if they are admitting that Asians are smarter than average. This is shameful, it's not so much that Asians are smarter, it is just that their work and study ethics are usually head and shoulders above us. I say level the playing field make everyone equal and let people advance on their merit. What are we afraid of ...... are we too lazy to work as hard as Asians?

a reply to: kcgads

Its simple reverse racism.

The Asians don't need to cheat. They also have to lower there scores so they don't make white Americans look bad.

That is what it looks like to me.

a reply to: crazyewok

Friend of mine has moved to Singapore his kids are light years ahead of kids in Australia why because they are competing with smarter people and a system that does not look after the lowest common denominator if you cant keep up you get a tutor and if you fail there is no welfare state to look after you.

a reply to: kcgads

Why isn't everyone scored equally?

Because they don't actually get a point increase.

Using the estimated logistic regression coefficients, it is possible to convert the magnitude of these preferences to a common SAT metric. The bonus for African-American applicants is roughly equivalent to an extra 230 SAT points (on a 1600-point scale), to 185 points for Hispanics, 200 points for athletes, and 160 points for children of alumni. The Asian disadvantage is comparable to a loss of 50 SAT points

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It was about admission practices and if you wanted to break it down sat scores then that is what it would look like.

No one is actually getting extra points.

originally posted by: joemoe
It's as if they are admitting that Asians are smarter than average. This is shameful, it's not so much that Asians are smarter, it is just that their work and study ethics are usually head and shoulders above us. I say level the playing field make everyone equal and let people advance on their merit. What are we afraid of ...... are we too lazy to work as hard as Asians?

Absolutely! I've watched vids of lifestyles in different countries, and their work and study habits are vastly superior to ours. They should be rewarded for it, and if that makes Americans look inferior, then so be it. Maybe we need to apply ourselves more diligently to make these kinds of accomplishments. Do I believe Asians are inherently "smarter" than Americans? I don't. I just think they try harder.

a reply to: Sremmos80

It was about admission practices and if you wanted to break it down sat scores then that is what it would look like.

No one is actually getting extra points.

Ah, I thought it might be something like that. Thanks for the info!

This is also a 10 year old study...

But I bet that doesn't matter right?

a reply to: kcgads

Thank affirmative action.

First they give blacks no reason to try because the welfare state will take care of them.

Then they make it harder for everyone else to achieve the same results.

This guarantees blacks don't try hard in average and everyone else does.

Making the gap between blacks and others even higher.

Guaranteeing the victimisation of blacks.

Not by other races, but the system that was meant to help them gain equality.

It is a political weapon that so many blacks believe is in their best interest.

In fact it is the reason for blacks failing across the board enmass.

Oy those that see the trap can escape it.

Most either don't or don't want to see it.

a reply to: johnwick

Try reading the actual study, it goes on to say that admission is never solely based on SAT scores alone and many other things go into it.
This and other articles are taking it extremely out of context.

Also goes on to say that AA gives just the slightest edge over athlete/legacy.

And this isn't even about blacks...Sounds like you have some deep held views here.

originally posted by: kcgads
Why isn't everyone scored equally?

Why is it that which school you studied in, is that important for Americans?
That's discrimination right there.

Why are home schooling and auto-dictates so badly viewed?
Aren't there any nationally approved exams needed to get diplomas?

It seems to me that often times, education is indoctrination for the acceptance of slavery through the forcing of conformity and debt.

originally posted by: kcgads
Does anyone else think this discrimination against Asian Americans is unfair and ridiculous?

It totally is!

a reply to: Sremmos80

The fact that the study is 10 years old should allow for some followup.
Most schools internally track students according to their individual strengths and weaknesses.
There is all kinds of "guidance" just because you are allowed to join the crew of a ship doesn't mean you will all be given the same duties.

This scholastic ship will have the highest performing Asians.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
This is also a 10 year old study...

But I bet that doesn't matter right?

Of course it matters, the Asians are getting penalized even more now.

It is the cultural practices and values of Asians as opposed to other ethnic groups. You have heard the phrase Tiger Mom, yes?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: johnwick

Try reading the actual study, it goes on to say that admission is never solely based on SAT scores alone and many other things go into it.
This and other articles are taking it extremely out of context.

Also goes on to say that AA gives just the slightest edge over athlete/legacy.

And this isn't even about blacks...Sounds like you have some deep held views here.

Yes just like disagreeing with Obama is because I'm racist, and disagreeing with Hillary because I'm sexist.

This is what I have observed over 37 years of life as an american.

Because I'm white and male i must not comment on anything that regards blacks or women....

Seems more likely you are just baiting to try to shut down "common sense"(Like how I stole that bs statement?) Decenting views.

It does not say that at all.

It flat out admits that being black gives an instant advantage based on nothing but race.

Only athletes get close to the same advantage.

You see, I was gonna pwn your comment to the op earlier because your bs doesn't work on me, but I didn't.

You want me to?

Your points are weak at best, and easily destroyed by anyone as smart or well informed as a rock.

a reply to: johnwick

All I said was to read the actual report and see what they find instead of taking these reports that take it out of context as fact.

And that this has nothing to do with blacks so not sure why the rant about them.

Go ahead and 'pwn' my first comment about how no one is getting any actual bonus points and that the test are not scored differently.
Would love to see that.

For about 4 years (2001-2008) I was a premed advisor at a prestigous school.
What I learned and told my students was the truth about getting into medical school.
Asians had to have the highest MCAT scores and GPA (4.0-3.9) to get in
Whites had to have the second highest MCAT and GPA (3.7 or higher)
Hispanics the third highest GPA (3.2 or higher)
Blacks could get in with a GPA (3.0 and even in one case 2.7)

This is nothing new.
Discrimination against Asians is real.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: johnwick

All I said was to read the actual report and see what they find instead of taking these reports that take it out of context as fact.

And that this has nothing to do with blacks so not sure why the rant about them.

Go ahead and 'pwn' my first comment about how no one is getting any actual bonus points and that the test are not scored differently.
Would love to see that.

I did read the report.

It flat out says being black gives the equivalent of 230 sat points period.

You tried to say that isn't what it says, when it says it point blank.

You even quoted it and ignored the fact it says it.

The op mentioned affirmative action.

I commented on the fact it encourages blacks to do less than every other group because it gives them instant, just for being black, advantages.

You then attempted badly to label me as racist.

That good enough for your?

a reply to: kcgads

Simple,

Success is "penalized" in America.

There is no such thing as equality, especially when we have the Democratic Party obsessed with race.

Regardless of your character or achievement, you must be penalized due to your skin color or ethnic background.

This is their idea of Equality.... Not Equal Opportunity, Equal Results and those results will be driven by bringing everyone down to the least common denominator.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. - Martin Luther King Jr.

As another poster pointed out, it is blatant Racism but when originated from the left, it isn't Racism, it is just "fairness".