Autistic Man killed by police at station

a reply to: infolurker

Way to go, hero!

a reply to: MrWendal

This is probably one of the best assessments of how self-defense training comes into play with LEOs during confrontations like this that I've seen on this site. It's great that you broke it all down AND explained that the officer didn't necessarily need to take it as far as he did--but at the same time, must assume that when someone squares off with him, that this person is as well-trained as him, if not better. I've tried to explain this quite a few times, but am not technically trained in defensive techniques that use chokes and takedowns like this (not yet, anyhow), so I couldn't break it down as well as you.

LEOs walk a very fine line when it comes to being trained on how to defend themselves and when it's appropriate to employ that training--especially when you have untrained people looking at a video and just assuming that every takedown or choke hold used by an officer is 'excessive force.'

Moral of the story: don't mess with the police. Simple.

Just to recap ...

If a cop points a finger at me, I can swat his hand away. If he looks aggressive after that, I can slam his head into concrete, killing him. Then go home and kick back while police and prosecutors wonder if I did anything wrong.

Got it.

In martial arts there is a respect, if a guy is drunk there is no need to use full force because you know you can really hurt the guy. By law if you are a martial artists and you use excessive force you can/will be charged. No respect shown in video just a guy with a fragile ego and no self control. Something that didn't need to happen. Hope the cop learned from his mistake.

a reply to: infolurker

I feel bad for the guy.. But he did square off with the cop and sop is to get the guy to the ground. Sad, freak accident. Sht happens. Why would you even attempt to fight a cop, let alone when there are a few more right there... People with mental illness need to either take their meds, stay home, or have a legal guardian/chaperone present with them. And people, it wasn't because the guy pointed at him, the cop just shewed his hand away, it was when he got into a fighting stance.

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originally posted by: infolurker
Autistic Man killed by police at station on video.

Brutal. The cop should defend himself but with all of the cops in the room, slamming someone's head into the floor is a bit of overkill.

What do you think?

www.liveleak.com...

“Once control was gained, it was found that Mr. Dehmann had hit his head on the floor during the incident,” the report written by sheriff’s Sgt. Alan Hackman says.

Yeah he hit his head alright, he was pile-drived into the floor.

You guys are arguing what each other said more than you are even paying attention to the video. Of course, all the ex cops line up here and show off their low IQ's. Several stating that this take down was the proper course of action.

The video shows them bring the suspect in, search him and lead him back through the hallway. The suspect points at the female officer, then at the male officer, who slaps the suspects hand which i have no problem with. The guy could have been reaching for the officer's belt or shirt. The suspect squares up and the officer now has an excuse to restrain the man. Which would have been proper.

The officer then improperly executes his take down and the suspects head hits the floor, killing him instantly.

There is no way anyone can say the officer executed this move properly. I can't say he intended to kill the man, but through his negligence, the man died. That is manslaughter. We can not give officers a break and say that "oh well, sometimes you kill someone. " and that be all. The officer needs to be able to gauge a proper response. And then execute a move that is properly played out.

Even if executed properly, was a full body take down like this necessary? I know that the excops here will say that officers don't always have time to think these things through and real fights don't ever go as planned. But this guy is dead and he is dead because a cop slammed his head into the ground, or choked him, or shot him, or set his cabin on fire, threw a grenade into his crib, entered the wrong house. We here these headlines way too much nowadays because it happens WAY TOO MUCH!!

For those of you who always take the officers side on these stories, can you admit that this officer improperly executed a complicated take down? And that it is the "improperly" part that lead to this man's death?

I love that in 2015 its ok for someone to die from police actions that dont deserve death. A drunk autistic man died, and people think the cop did his job.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

People are scared little wussys, who froth at the mouth because of death, they vicariously experience what its like to have a little bit of power, instead of the wrot gut, McDonald's eating, boil ridden,greasy face and fingers. It probably takes cranes to move them anywhere, and litterly the jaws of life has had to save them from narrow corridors .

Here's their song,

a reply to: mikelkhall
I find your post so foolish.

Of course people don't wear shirts sharing their life story. I would have to wear a shirt every day telling the world what a jerk I am. Its not illegal for me to he a jerk though and the police would have to appropriatly handle that issue as well.

a reply to: Iamthatbish

You should be body slammed, until you are a jerk no more.

a reply to: TechniXcality
That just won't work. Then full out bish mode will apply and there must be serious charges for that!

a reply to: Iamthatbish

Oh my apologies, I slam all my bishes, I feel it's only cordial and establishes domanince.

Lol

It's hard to believe anyone is defending the officers actions. Let's make this as simple as possible. If this was not an officer who did this, and instead two civilians, what would happen?

The answer is easy, the one who did the slamming would most certainly be in trouble. He's the one who initiated contact. Pointing at someone is not illegal nor harmful in any way. If this wasn't an officer, the drunk guy would just be considered defending himself, being as the other person initiated contact and was the aggressor. The officer is clearly one of those power-tripping censored words.

There are many good cops on the force. This guy obviously is not one of them.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: mikelkhall

Thx for the reply......Editing your posts like you have can make the conversation confusing,i got it this time but wanted to mention it

Your comment here from 1 of your posts on the first page

It was a terrible thing that happened but what did you expect the cop to do wait until the guy decked him?

This comment above....coming from the context of there being several officers and 1 drunk autistic guy there the outcome was a disgrace .....

So because there are more of them the police officer should allow himself to be punched, possibly knocked out, seriously injured, or killed?

Trying to understand the logic of that statement.

5 or 6 officers should be able to diffuse the situation without the death of the man in question or 1 or more officers being injured in the process ....assuming of course we are talking about professionals here

Except one punch can end a life. As soon as the guy became aggressive the officer did exactly what he should have.

Oh please,swallowing food without chewing properly can end a life...what was that movie where they used the line..."assumption is the mother of all f# ups" ?

Muvva. Bruvva, any ovva sukka. Lock stock and the barrels.

What was this guy in for?

a reply to: TechniXcality
Was that what this officer was doing?!

Reading you type it was hilarious. Not so funny when I remembered a person that may not have understood inappropriate behavior lost their life.

The first sign of violent physical contact happening in that video was the cop slapping his hand away. Therefore the cop should at least be charged with battery. Then with use of excessive force, and subsequently involuntary manslaughter.

Cops love to do these take-down moves. It gives them some weird thrill. I have been the victim of one such take-down for not immediately lying down in the middle of the street when a man shining a flashlight in my face (therefore preventing me from seeing his uniform), did not identify himself. His only words were "Get on the ground or when I get to you I'll put you there." I said, "Wha.... who are you?" then BAM I'm on the street.

He was highfiving his buddy after all this and miming the takedown with such unabashed glee.

Fracking insane.

a reply to: WHWIV

This is exactly why if this behavior continues eventually the public in mass will feel that encounters with police is a threat to our personal safety and must be preemptively dealt with in order to insure your family's and your well being, the times coming .

originally posted by: mikelkhall

originally posted by: Flesh699
They won't hire police officers if their IQs are too high, no joke.a reply to: Cuervo

I've seen that comment here many times and I wish just once one of you would post your evidence. I was an officer for 15 years and my IQ is 156. Is that too low to be a cop?

Apparrantly so, 'was' is in the past tense. They booted you for some reason.

a reply to: infolurker

Autistic Man killed by police at station on video.

Can you please point out where it says anything at all about the man being autistic in your source article? I have read it four times and cannot find any mention of it other than in the title. The article only states that he was drunk, and they state this more than once.