How to produce free electricity for your entire home and business.

a reply to: engineercutout
Seriously a gravity machine is claimed to work by a mass being pulled by gravity but for the mass to give more energy it has to be returned to it's starting position to get there it has to be moved AGAINST gravity.

What has happened to the education system!!!

a reply to: wmd_2008

I take it from your comment that you disagree with my opinion that it would be fun to experiment with such a design.

a reply to: engineercutout

It would be a complete waste of your time because it can't work !

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: engineercutout

It would be a complete waste of your time because it can't work !

Well, according to the laws of physics it shouldn't work, I'll grant you that. Have you done any experimentation with this design, though? If not, how can you know for certain that it doesn't work? Perhaps there is some as of yet undiscovered addendum to the laws of motion that might allow for such a design. I agree that it shouldn't work. Without personally experimenting with the design or witnessing in person experiments with this design, I wouldn't know whether it would work or not. I still think it would be fun to experiment with.

My second hand free energy success story. This was relayed to me by a friend many years ago. We shall call him Jim and his assistant shall be his uncle.

Jim said his uncle had this idea to build a magnetic device. They used one ounce bar magnets, attatched to the end of armatures. Eight of them if I remember correctly. The armatures attatched to a central spindle with a slight amount of side to side play allowed at the spindle attatchment point. The magnets were oriented so that like poles faced each other around the loose ring that they formed at the ends of the armatures.

Supposedly, once given a starting spin, the device spun faster and faster. Joe and his uncle sought cover. When the device flew apart, one of the magnets was reported to have flown through two walls and embedded itself in an engine block behind the building it had just flown through. Joe said that they experimented with weaker magnets, and .3 ounce magnets produced a device that he claimed at the time of the telling was still spinning atop his uncle's television set.

Is it true? I don't know. Joe seemed sincere during the telling, so if it was a tall tale it was well delivered. I shall remain skeptical until I see such a device actually worknig, but it was an interesting story that I thought I should pass along.

a reply to: engineercutout

It's not true however simply down to friction and the laws of thermodynamics.

Will this always be the case? Possibly not given the development of new and interesting meta materials and the properties they display, but as of yet no over unity energy device has ever been show to function effectively in a controlled scientific environment.

originally posted by: engineercutout

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: engineercutout

It would be a complete waste of your time because it can't work !

Well, according to the laws of physics it shouldn't work, I'll grant you that. Have you done any experimentation with this design, though? If not, how can you know for certain that it doesn't work? Perhaps there is some as of yet undiscovered addendum to the laws of motion that might allow for such a design. I agree that it shouldn't work. Without personally experimenting with the design or witnessing in person experiments with this design, I wouldn't know whether it would work or not. I still think it would be fun to experiment with.

Can YOU and others never understand the problem with all these machines are that they have to be hooked up to something else to DO WORK or PRODUCE POWER.

They have to overcome all the loses of energy any machine can/will have friction/heat/sound/air resistance as I said be the most efficient machines made so far are large transformers used in power production and even with NO moving parts they can't achieve 100% efficiency.

That why these pie in the sky inventions can never work.

originally posted by: wmd_2008

Can YOU and others never understand the problem with all these machines are that they have to be hooked up to something else to DO WORK or PRODUCE POWER.

They have to overcome all the loses of energy any machine can/will have friction/heat/sound/air resistance as I said be the most efficient machines made so far are large transformers used in power production and even with NO moving parts they can't achieve 100% efficiency.

That why these pie in the sky inventions can never work.

Was your reply to my statement of:

Well, according to the laws of physics it shouldn't work, I'll grant you that. Have you done any experimentation with this design, though? If not, how can you know for certain that it doesn't work? Perhaps there is some as of yet undiscovered addendum to the laws of motion that might allow for such a design. I agree that it shouldn't work. Without personally experimenting with the design or witnessing in person experiments with this design, I wouldn't know whether it would work or not. I still think it would be fun to experiment with.

Science is only as accurate as the experimental data that verifies it. Without personally experimenting with a particular design you can't really conclusively say that it wouldn't work; at least you can't say it truthfully. You can say it shouldn't work, or that according to the laws of physics it is not possible, but you can't really conclusively say that it would or wouldn't work without personally experimenting with the concept. For the sake of argument, how do we know that this particular design doesn't open a portal to a dimension composed entirely of unicorn farts, and that is where the "extra" energy is coming from. A pretty far out proposition, I know, but that is my point. We can't really know from our consoles whether or not a novel combination of machinery or electronics might have some unforseen anomolous effects. That can only truly be determined in the laboratory.

If you've got links to some sites or papers that have conducted documented experimentation with these types of devices, post them and I'll defenitely take a look. I already made my submission earlier in the thread with the blahblah book. Even with that data, you're still just taking their word for it unless you personally reproduce the experiments. Such is the nature of science, as I'd imagine you are aware.

a reply to: engineercutout
ALL repeat ALL machines are subject to the same problems friction of components which will create heat and most likely sound, moving components are also subject to air resistance, they also have to move the MASS of there own components all this costs ENERGY.

If YOU actually know anything about physics or engineering you KNOW the above is TRUE without having to experiment to confirm it.

ALL gravity machines rely on a mass being moved by gravity to generate a force/energy but to get that mass back to a position that it can be moved by gravity to generate more it has to be moved back AGAINST gravity can YOu not see the problem there.

Once again YOU should not need to experiment to realise that.

So do you disagree with my points above?

originally posted by: anotherdaytoday
The machines you have seen on youtube never worked. Most of them are hoaxes, others took wrong measurments etc. There is not a single device which has not already been debunked, or was stable enough to deliver satisfying power in the long run. Sad story but true. If you don't believe me, just search through one of the free energy forums (energeticforum, overunity.com, etc.).

I don't know what Tesla did and maybe a real free energy device at his time. But that will certainly be kept as a secret by the greedy companies owning his works.

Nowadays, if someone really did create a free energy device, the government would be too slow to stop it spreading in the world. Just a construction plans sent to some forums and it can't be kept secret anymore. If such a device is not published it's either because of greed, profit, or it just doesn't work. The stories of "men in black" suppressing these, is B.S.

Another way to guarantee failure would be to use ridicule and denial that anything at all will work. Just show up everywhere and flatly state that all of these ideas are bunk, never work, etc., and no one will even try or even look into it much further. thus guaranteeing the status quo will continue with impunity.

Just sayin'....

On the brighter side, I have heard some interesting ideas about these kinds of generators using magnets and they claimed the only way a person can make them work is to use matched magnets where they all produce a magnetic field which by using expensive testing and measuring equipment , (oscilloscopes) have the same shape and produce a symmetrical magnetic field so that each magnet is creating the same force as the rest so it makes a balanced force, or some such (malarkey)

Sure, it is easy to talk about, but never giving up on an idea or giving in to those always pushing failure, has in the past, shown to lead to big breakthroughs..

Where it all actually fails is when those who say they have a working plan present their "price tag" to the eager public.

I know from watching threads like this one in the past going back years, have shown some ideas like this being played up on heavily, and then the inventor or inventors mysteriously are raided by governments or end up dead.

Not to all that present these types of ideas, but definitely to some of them.

a reply to: wmd_2008

I disagree to the extent that I relayed it in my last post. While those laws of physics SHOULD hold true, and would in most cases, we can't say that a novel combination of machinery and/or electronics couldn't have a heretofore unforseen anomolous effect without direct experimentation.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: anotherdaytoday
The machines you have seen on youtube never worked. Most of them are hoaxes, others took wrong measurments etc. There is not a single device which has not already been debunked, or was stable enough to deliver satisfying power in the long run. Sad story but true. If you don't believe me, just search through one of the free energy forums (energeticforum, overunity.com, etc.).

I don't know what Tesla did and maybe a real free energy device at his time. But that will certainly be kept as a secret by the greedy companies owning his works.

Nowadays, if someone really did create a free energy device, the government would be too slow to stop it spreading in the world. Just a construction plans sent to some forums and it can't be kept secret anymore. If such a device is not published it's either because of greed, profit, or it just doesn't work. The stories of "men in black" suppressing these, is B.S.

Another way to guarantee failure would be to use ridicule and denial that anything at all will work. Just show up everywhere and flatly state that all of these ideas are bunk, never work, etc., and no one will even try or even look into it much further. thus guaranteeing the status quo will continue with impunity.

Just sayin'....

On the brighter side, I have heard some interesting ideas about these kinds of generators using magnets and they claimed the only way a person can make them work is to use matched magnets where they all produce a magnetic field which by using expensive testing and measuring equipment , (oscilloscopes) have the same shape and produce a symmetrical magnetic field so that each magnet is creating the same force as the rest so it makes a balanced force, or some such (malarkey)

Sure, it is easy to talk about, but never giving up on an idea or giving in to those always pushing failure, has in the past, shown to lead to big breakthroughs..

Where it all actually fails is when those who say they have a working plan present their "price tag" to the eager public.

I know from watching threads like this one in the past going back years, have shown some ideas like this being played up on heavily, and then the inventor or inventors mysteriously are raided by governments or end up dead.

Not to all that present these types of ideas, but definitely to some of them.

I read quite a bit about Joe's cell. Very interestjng. Plans are available, I might try to build one someday.

originally posted by: [post=19356644]NoCorruptionAllowed have shown some ideas like this being played up on heavily, and then the inventor or inventors mysteriously are raided by governments or end up dead.

Yes in some instances this happens from what ive read on the internet

Yes man made laws have flaws. Lol - To err is human
a reply to: engineercutout

originally posted by: Nochzwei

originally posted by: [post=19356644]NoCorruptionAllowed have shown some ideas like this being played up on heavily, and then the inventor or inventors mysteriously are raided by governments or end up dead.

Yes in some instances this happens from what ive read on the internet

There was a gas engine at a car show than ran hundreds of miles on a gallon. Saw it on the news. He had one running on a table, it was much smaller than a typical engine. IIRC it had the equivalent of 32 cylinders although the guy said that cylinders didn't really relate. Said he had a double one for big rigs.

Never heard about it again. This wasn't a local car show, it was a trade show, like the Detroit Auto show. May even have been, do t remember.

I saw a documentary years ago where a car was being powered by an engine that ran on a similar principle.

Used ZERO gasoline, didn't actually require a power source. The guy had a working proptype capable of over 100 mph.

I suspect the oil companies paid him or threatened him to make him disappear.

originally posted by: babybunnies
I saw a documentary years ago where a car was being powered by an engine that ran on a similar principle.

Used ZERO gasoline, didn't actually require a power source. The guy had a working proptype capable of over 100 mph.

I suspect the oil companies paid him or threatened him to make him disappear.

Sounds like Joe's cell. They supposedly drove the car across Australia running on water. I believe they made a documentary about it. I think there was a similar case in the US, but I don't recall any documentary about it.

originally posted by: engineercutout

While those laws of physics SHOULD hold true, and would in most cases, we can't say that a novel combination of machinery and/or electronics couldn't have a heretofore unforseen anomolous effect without direct experimentation.

Sure we can. Machinery and electronics aren't going to change the basics, they're just a handy way of obfuscating the way you're bamboozling the mark.

You can paste on all the flashy lights you'd like, but it won't change the potential energy of gravity from being mgh, and nothing but. That being symmetric, and not path dependent, all the hoisting and dropping of weights you want to do is going to have the same energy requirements lifting the weight as you get back by dropping it. All the other crap is for show, and to distract the mark from spotting the compressed air that's coming in through the floor mounts.

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Yes in some instances this happens from what ive read on the internet

Of course you do. This is what's known as The Dog Ate My Homework, and it's a time-honored method of bringing the scam to a close when you're about to be caught out.

"I would have shared this miracle field quantum vibration free-power zero point device with the world, but three men in black showed up, said they were NSA police, and stole all my plans. You'll have to donate now to my redevelopment of the improved dark energy vortex field orb generator"

originally posted by: ISawItFirst

Sounds like Joe's cell.

Another sad bit of bovine scat. "Joe's cells" come with built-in disclaimers, typical of current perpetual motion scams.

"They won't work if you don't believe in them" is a common one. Bedini and Bearden are fond of saying some crapola like "these devices work only in an area where the vacuum has been pre-conditioned for them to work - like my lab and nowhere else".

Joe cells mysteriously fail any time they're examined for fraud. It's AMAZING.