The United States is, and has always been, A Christian Nation

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: introvert

at that point, god would be considered a higher legal authority than the president, congress, or all of the people on planet earth. in a word: dictatorship. a monarchy under one god. our own flavor of sharia law.

Exactly. That is the only end that makes sense. People want this nation to be recognized as "Christian" at it's founding so that they can pass laws or justify actions that are rooted in faith, but go against the protections of the constitution.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I would wager not as much as the fundamentalists think.

Yes, I suspect that a huge percentage of Americans (even those that see the US as a christian nation) do not want to see a bunch of drastic changes to the constitution... they like it just the way it is.

And if that's the case, then this whole argument is meaningless lip service.

Another words, a complete waste of time and energy that accomplishes nothing but more anger, resentment, and division amongst you fine folks.


Just my $.02

"Deny Ignnorance"

a reply to: AreUKiddingMe

If you truly wanted to deny ignorance you would not support the beliefs of fairytale superstitions imagined by ignorant goat herders who had less true knowledge of reality than the average modern day 5th grader.

K~

originally posted by: CranialSponge
Another words, a complete waste of time and energy...

The sad part is that it is really lying to ones self as the Original Poster is obviously aware that the Founders purposefully omitted any mention of a specific Deity and instead offered the generic terms as they removed their personal religious views from the Constitution.

Religious hypocrisy is one of the worst kinds as they postulate themselves as 'morally superior' but are not above lying to try and prove a point.

a reply to: theantediluvian

"The future has no obligation to the past and that each generation has an equal right to tear
down the old and build anew as it sees fit."

That is why history always repeats it's self.We never learn from past mistakes and just keep
making them over and over again.

a reply to: CranialSponge

exactly. this thread was a knee jerk reaction to the success of the NLBS thread. an attempt to regroup and resist. but an attempt is all it is. really no fighting the kind of case they put together over there.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: peskyhumans
The United States is, and has always been, A Christian Nation.

It lays somewhere in the middle as the majority of the Founding Fathers understood that their personal religious beliefs were separate from the government they were forming.

I linked a very good article in a previous thread that goes into detail on the Founders and explains that while many were indeed Christian but also shared an 'Enlightenment rationalism' that allowed them to keep their beliefs from co-mingling with legislation.

Additionally, there is no mention of Jesus in any of our founding documents and this was a conscious effort by the Founders not to include him. If they wanted to found a Christian nation they could have easily done so.

However like I said in my OP they chose to say "In the year of OUR Lord" and not "In the year of THE Lord" in the Constitution. They acknowledged that Jesus was their Lord right there in it.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: CranialSponge
Another words, a complete waste of time and energy...

The sad part is that it is really lying to ones self as the Original Poster is obviously aware that the Founders purposefully omitted any mention of a specific Deity and instead offered the generic terms as they removed their personal religious views from the Constitution.

Religious hypocrisy is one of the worst kinds as they postulate themselves as 'morally superior' but are not above lying to try and prove a point.

First, the Constitution isn't our only founding document. We also have the Declaration of Independence which without it the United States would not exist today.

Second, they used "in the Year of our Lord" in the Constitution. This is a reference to Anno Domini, a measure of time-keeping which is dated to Christ's birth. This means it is a Christian reference. Also they chose to word it using "OUR Lord" which acknowledges that they believe he is the Christ and not "THE Lord" which would have been a more secular usage of the term.

a reply to: peskyhumans

However like I said in my OP they chose to say "In the year of OUR Lord" and not "In the year of THE Lord" in the Constitution. They acknowledged that Jesus was their Lord right there in it.

No, they didn't. They acknowledged the Gregorian Calender that they were using to mark the date. Not declaring that Jesus is lord over the United States.

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NLBS #48: The United States Is Not, And Never Was, A Christian Nation