Ameritox Urine Drug Test has destroyed my doctor/patient relationship... literally.

a reply to: new_here


One thing though - doctors do NOT want/like to hear that vitamin supplements enhance or are better then what they prescribe for your treatment. You just might want/have to keep that to yourself.


I've had a doctor 'release' me from treatment. It was pretty ugly. I questioned/RANTED WHY they billed be for X-Rays that proved he made one leg an inch longer than the other in a hip replacement.. Now I have one leg an inch longer than the other . [imagine having to throw out any footwear that had a heel on it and you STILL limp/have issues walking] ... forcing me seven years later to get another hip implant on the 'other' leg' go get them equal. I have an appointment tomorrow to to schedule that surgery.

a reply to: Iamthatbish

Do you have a friend that can make calls for you as an independent arbatrator? Come up with really uncomfortable questions for them...

Tell me more. What sort of questions are you thinking of... can you give a few examples? You have my interest.

a reply to: new_here

I think you should "Duck shove it" Write a letter explaining your confusion about the bill, and send it registered. As the bill is being discussed, they wont be able to get any debt collection involved. Then not using e mail means they will have to get a secretary to write back. Then after a few days you reply. Stating that you are now in great distress regards to the obvious rip of, their is a good chance they will shove your file in the rubbish bin. Just keep shoving it back at them, thinking something else up you forgot to mention in the previous letter. This could go on for years. Keep all the correspondence filed, and mention that at some time it wouldn't be unreasonable to bill them for the time and effort, the correspondence is causing you. This will be costing them a great deal of time and effort. At some stage the secretary might go over the line, and give you a legal case against them.

originally posted by: SkipperJohn
a reply to: new_here

This may have been posted but..

meritox repeatedly lied to physicians, federal jury finds; Millennium Labs rejoices

link

BBB Review

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The first one I have seen. Did you see the comments at the end of it? Unhappy people.
The second one has a place to file a complaint, which I plan to do. (Thanks) I'm not sure how much weight it will carry, since it was my doctor who 'fired' me, not Ameritox. It may help get the bill vaporized, though.

Welcome to the new socialized medicine called ACA (Obamacare re Pelosicare) . It is leading to a push for "smart" medication that sends a report every time you take one. To "help" in patient care.Any time any government agency states "we want to help" be afraid , be very afraid

a reply to: LeslieD

I've had a doctor 'release' me from treatment. It was pretty ugly. I questioned/RANTED WHY they billed be for X-Rays that proved he made one leg an inch longer than the other in a hip replacement.. Now I have one leg an inch longer than the other . [imagine having to throw out any footwear that had a heel on it and you STILL limp/have issues walking] ... forcing me seven years later to get another hip implant on the 'other' leg' go get them equal. I have an appointment tomorrow to to schedule that surgery.

Geez, I am so sorry to hear that! There needs to be more accountability for doctor's errors, that doesn't involve huge lawyer fees for those who are wronged!

Did your Doctor tell you not to come back ?

Did you get a letter ?

Was it your first DT ever from this Doc ?

What exactly did HE say when he cut you off ?

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: new_here

I think you should "Duck shove it" Write a letter explaining your confusion about the bill, and send it registered. As the bill is being discussed, they wont be able to get any debt collection involved. Then not using e mail means they will have to get a secretary to write back. Then after a few days you reply. Stating that you are now in great distress regards to the obvious rip of, their is a good chance they will shove your file in the rubbish bin. Just keep shoving it back at them, thinking something else up you forgot to mention in the previous letter. This could go on for years. Keep all the correspondence filed, and mention that at some time it wouldn't be unreasonable to bill them for the time and effort, the correspondence is causing you. This will be costing them a great deal of time and effort. At some stage the secretary might go over the line, and give you a legal case against them.

Do you mean the doctor's office bill, or the one from Ameritox?

a reply to: new_here
You will have to research first. So the questions would apply to what you dig up on them. Start easy like how long they had been using the pee test system and then switch to whether this before or after if a person in their office was chastised or whatever. The only reason you can't do the actual call is you want to get information while implying the person asking the questions is a person that can cause them problems. Saying an independent arbitrator isn't wrong.

a reply to: new_here

sorry to hear about your experience with your Dr. Definitely wrong of them to deny you service after being their patient for 15 years. Another recommendation would be to go to the pharmacist that fills your script and bring your meds with you so they can confirm how many pills you have left and to document quantity (that's if your not already out and was going back for a refill) from when scripts was filled. This will also help in your defense that you were not selling them.

Best of luck!

originally posted by: whyamIhere
Did your Doctor tell you not to come back ?

Did you get a letter ?

Was it your first DT ever from this Doc ?

What exactly did HE say when he cut you off ?

It was in the first post, but no worries, here it is again:

I received this by certified mail about a week after I provided them my 'liquid gold.'

"On 4/23/15 a drug test was performed which shows you are not taking the controlled substance prescribed. This in in violation of your drug agreement and we will no longer continue your care. We will see you for an emergency only for the next thirty days. During this time we will not prescribe any controlled substances. If you feel you need drug rehabilitation please contact our office for a referral. We will send your records to the physician of your choice."

Yes, first UDT ever. Please know I signed no 'drug agreement' ...ever.
How many of you find it ludicrous they are suggesting drug rehabilitation because I did not have 'enough' amphetamines in my system??? How many of you call to make an appointment with a doctor in the midst of a medical emergency? (3rd sentence)

Someone who said this is probably a form letter, is probably spot on. But seriously... if a physician is going to send a certified letter to 'fire' a patient, shouldn't they take the time to make it... relevant? Some pretty serious accusations/insinuations in that letter.

www.law360.com... uit-over-physician-kickbacks

Have you googled 'Ameritox complaints'? Pages and pages of How are they still in business?!

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
a reply to: new_here
You will have to research first. So the questions would apply to what you dig up on them. Start easy like how long they had been using the pee test system and then switch to whether this before or after if a person in their office was chastised or whatever. The only reason you can't do the actual call is you want to get information while implying the person asking the questions is a person that can cause them problems. Saying an independent arbitrator isn't wrong.

Oh, I see what you mean.
But I seriously think company Ameritox hoodwinks doctors by telling them their practice is at risk if something they prescribe ends up in the wrong hands. Their website stresses that all of this monitoring is for the patient AND the doctor's safety. (Yeah, right.) And they hire sales people to sign up new doctors all over the country. And those folks have a quota to meet on how many docs they convince to sign on... or they get the boot if the numbers don't increase. I've read all about it on www.cafepharma.com

I read all the threads about Ameritox and they are posted by disgruntled employees, or former ones who were fired because they didn't sign on enough docs and get enough 'liquid gold' for the company to test. I can't find some of the more interesting posts, but this will give you an idea of what I'm talking about:

02-07-2015, 01:55 AM
Anonymous
Rant Re: What a cluster f#*k
We made our numbers in 2014 didn't we?

02-09-2015, 10:29 PM
Anonymous
Rant Re: What a cluster f#*k
helllllll nooooooooooo.

Source

Throughout the various threads, some of them complain the science is shoddy, or the pricing is out the roof, and 90% of them HATE working there.

If I had a doctor for 15 years and some secretary was giving me the run around, I would wait for the doctor as he left of entered the surgery. He does need to know what is going on. If he has sold out of has his hands tied in some way, at least you know where you stand.

originally posted by: Alchemst7
a reply to: new_here

sorry to hear about your experience with your Dr. Definitely wrong of them to deny you service after being their patient for 15 years. Another recommendation would be to go to the pharmacist that fills your script and bring your meds with you so they can confirm how many pills you have left and to document quantity (that's if your not already out and was going back for a refill) from when scripts was filled. This will also help in your defense that you were not selling them.

Best of luck!

Thanks, I actually did go straight to my long-time pharmacist after I picked up the report. I let him read the letter and look at the report, and he just shook his head and said, "This is ridiculous... too many variables effect how different people metabolize different medications."

I also poured the remainder of my script into my hand to show him the 'partial pieces' where I had been so conservative in taking the medication. But he kindly told me I didn't have to prove anything to him, that he already believed me anyway. He then told me the name of his doc, and that they are accepting new patients. I went straight there, but when the girl asked why I was leaving my current doctor, I answered honestly and got 'a look' and a statement like "Well it will take a few weeks before he can decide anything." Decide??? See what I mean.

So I gave her the name of the pharmacist (his patient) and she put it on a sticky not on the form I filled out. Oh God... wish me luck people.

a reply to: new_here

Sorry I missed the letter.

What I am saying is your Doc may have no idea you are cut off.

You deserve an explanation after all this time (I have received 3 of those letters).

Like the last poster...I would get an explanation come hell or high water.

originally posted by: Iamthatbish
www.law360.com... uit-over-physician-kickbacks

Have you googled 'Ameritox complaints'? Pages and pages of How are they still in business?!

I have, dear friend... but no one has an answer, or any suggestions on what to do that doesn't involve paying copious sums of money to a lawyer.

originally posted by: whyamIhere
a reply to: new_here

Sorry I missed the letter.

What I am saying is your Doc may have no idea you are cut off.

You deserve an explanation after all this time (I have received 3 of those letters).

Like the last poster...I would get an explanation come hell or high water.

I know that you are right. I just don't know how to do it. My doc... SHE signed the typed letter. Sure, they may have stuck a bunch in front of her and she didn't look at all the names, but it's really hard to believe she wouldn't want to see a list or something.

I do have a trusted friend that knows her on a personal level. Not sure how often they come across each other, but that is an idea. Mary may be able to get me in the door.

As far as you've typed you are totally on this. Now breathe. Take a steamy bath and do some yoga. You have evidence the company is shady. You contacted everyone that may be able to assist you. Now walk away for a bit for your BP and pick it up again when you get a new idea or a response from someone.

a reply to: new_here

I gave up dairy 10 years ago and it did not then, or now, reduce my BP. But I am a medical weirdo.