Strong statin-diabetes link seen in large study

Excellent information. Thank you for posting it. I have supposedly high cholesterol (I say 'supposedly' because I'm sure the numbers they come up with for being considered 'high' are arbitrary), and the doctors keep trying to push those awful statins. I push back. (that's how I am). They don't like it. Tough cookies on them. I'm not putting that crap into my body. My liver is already stressed from my autoimmune drugs. And my brain is effected from the sjogrens. The statins would make all that worse.

Stopped taking your pills cause you think doctors who spend a decade of their lives so miserably to help people like you , are trying to poison you . kudos to you .

see you in future when because of IHD (ischemic heart disease) or a TIA (transient ischemic attack) you were crying your eyes out for being this much resilient .

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Excellent information. Thank you for posting it. I have supposedly high cholesterol (I say 'supposedly' because I'm sure the numbers they come up with for being considered 'high' are arbitrary), and the doctors keep trying to push those awful statins. I push back. (that's how I am). They don't like it. Tough cookies on them. I'm not putting that crap into my body. My liver is already stressed from my autoimmune drugs. And my brain is effected from the sjogrens. The statins would make all that worse.

My friend , doctors are not your enemies . they spend their youth on their job and they know what they are doing .

my 20s is going to waste because of it . i have no time for myself and wandering around in forums is actually the only time i'm doing sth for myself .

there is no drug existent in the world that has no side-effects . its all about cost-benefit measures .

if they give you statins , there is a goddamn good reason behind it . they don't intend to make anything worse

a reply to: Xeven

Dump the fraudulent pill pushers and hypes. Profit machines are preying on humans. WTFU and stop this worship of technocrats. They are damn liars and paid shills.

Own your health or you will be sorry.

originally posted by: haman10

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Excellent information. Thank you for posting it. I have supposedly high cholesterol (I say 'supposedly' because I'm sure the numbers they come up with for being considered 'high' are arbitrary), and the doctors keep trying to push those awful statins. I push back. (that's how I am). They don't like it. Tough cookies on them. I'm not putting that crap into my body. My liver is already stressed from my autoimmune drugs. And my brain is effected from the sjogrens. The statins would make all that worse.

My friend , doctors are not your enemies . they spend their youth on their job and they know what they are doing .

my 20s is going to waste because of it . i have no time for myself and wandering around in forums is actually the only time i'm doing sth for myself .

there is no drug existent in the world that has no side-effects . its all about cost-benefit measures .

if they give you statins , there is a goddamn good reason behind it . they don't intend to make anything worse

I don't think my doctor tries to poison me on purpose. I just think humans don't really know what we are doing. I think they are doing best they can. How many people now have diabetes that would have never had a heart problem associated with cholesterol?

FDA taking cholesterol OFF their list of things you should avoid.


US poised to withdraw warnings about cholesterol

originally posted by: haman10

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Excellent information. Thank you for posting it. I have supposedly high cholesterol (I say 'supposedly' because I'm sure the numbers they come up with for being considered 'high' are arbitrary), and the doctors keep trying to push those awful statins. I push back. (that's how I am). They don't like it. Tough cookies on them. I'm not putting that crap into my body. My liver is already stressed from my autoimmune drugs. And my brain is effected from the sjogrens. The statins would make all that worse.

My friend , doctors are not your enemies . they spend their youth on their job and they know what they are doing .

my 20s is going to waste because of it . i have no time for myself and wandering around in forums is actually the only time i'm doing sth for myself .

there is no drug existent in the world that has no side-effects . its all about cost-benefit measures .

if they give you statins , there is a goddamn good reason behind it . they don't intend to make anything worse

Their intent is irrelevant. It is the lack of quality in health outcomes and the high collateral mortality that is relevant. Legal and correctly prescribed pharmaceuticals are the 4th leading cause of death in the US and UK. 1 in every 3 people is on some kind of pill in the US. Think hard before you pursue this path and add to the misery. Do no harm!

a reply to: InverseLookingGlass

I don't know, the two recipes that I have seen doctors hand out first have been "eat right" and "get some exercise". For many those pills are really tough to swallow. Why take those when can take the meds instead?

While looking at "lack of quality in health outcomes and the high collateral mortality" you might want to also look at lifestyle choices.

originally posted by: haman10
doctors are not your enemies . they spend their youth on their job and they know what they are doing .

Most do NOT know what they are doing.

I've been misdiagnosed over and over, and many times been given bad drugs with bad side effects after being told not to worry about any side effects because they were 'extremely rare'. Most doctors i've experienced treat people like they are all the same kind of robot instead of treating each individual person. We are all different and our bodies don't all react the same way but they don't treat us as individuals. I've had very arrogant doctors scream at me that they have 20 years experience and a medical degree and they are right and I'm wrong ... only to have them proven wrong and me proven correct a few days later. Of course, no apologies from the SOBs.

NEVER take a doctor at his/her word. NEVER assume they are correct. Always double and triple check.

And no, I'm not taking statins.

a reply to: Snarl

Doctors jobs is to sell medications they will offer to you an arrange of pills depending your age.

Before statins doctors monitored your cholesterol by age and so your blood pressure, it to have a 300 overall cholesterol was actually normal, to have a blood pressure of 140 was also the normal if you were an adult.

Then the pills came and numbers started to go down, so down that now people are coming our with more Alzheimer's than ever when their cholesterol is down to 150, for some people, that one has not been added to the list of statins side effects yet.

Take krill oil and CoQ10, and see what happen in about 6 months with your cholesterol.

a reply to: haman10

Oh, lord, doctors are here for one reason, to make as much money for big pharma as they can, is now a club in America that if you are a doctor and do not subscribe to it, you will be ostracized and big pahrma pay all the bills.

Is more to doctor big pharma link is deeper and darker than you think.

a reply to: Xeven

Omega-3 fat, naturally found in salmon, seal, and krill has
received some undeservedly bad press coverage lately.
You may have seen some of the following headlines:

- Link Between Omega-3 Fatty Acids and Increased Prostate Cancer Risk Confirmed (Science Daily1)
- Omega-3 Supplement Taken By Millions 'Linked to Aggressive Prostate Cancer' (Huffington Post2)
- Men who take omega-3 supplements at 71% higher risk of prostate cancer (NY Daily News3)
- Omega-3 supplements may trigger prostate cancer (Nursing Times4)
- Hold the salmon: Omega-3 fatty acids linked to higher risk of cancer (Time Magazine5)

These headlines are perfect examples of gross misreporting of science by the media, and it is instances like this that demonstrate why you cannot trust the conventional press to keep you informed about health.

Specifically, higher blood levels of the omega-3 fat DHA correlated to higher prostate cancer risk, while no correlation was found for EPA and ALA. They also had a 71 percent higher risk of developing high-grade prostate cancer. The elevated blood levels of DHA found in the featured study is not necessarily indicative of higher fish consumption. In fact, low-fat diets can increase DHA levels in much the same way omega-3 supplementation can.

While the researchers warn that fish oil supplements may be dangerous based on their findings, this study cannot show causation. Furthermore, no fish oil supplements were actually given as part of this study. Foods rich in omega-3 fats have previously been shown to prevent prostate cancer from spreading, and one recent meta-analysis found that fish consumption was associated with a 63 percent reduction in prostate cancer-specific mortality.

source: articles.mercola.com...

originally posted by: chr0naut

Statins lower cholesterol by limiting production of cholesterol in the liver.

But now we know that cholesterol does not cause heart attacks and may actually be one of the body's defenses against the infections which do cause them.

So why continue with statins?

Because medical science disagrees with you. We "know" no such thing. It's cholesterol that is clogging those arteries, not something else.

And as far as Big Pharma goes, statins are generics these days. There's no need to buy a brand name. They're cheap.

a reply to: FlyersFan

My friend , i'm an intern myself and in 1.5 years i'll become a GP .

i know a thing or two about the effects of high LDL levels in blood . if you have high cholestrole levels , you'll be exposed to higher risks of arteriosclerosis - that is the narrowing of blood vessels - causing numerous problems for you .

People here in Iran also think they know better when they don't . i've seen more than a thousand patient who had severe problems caused by ignorance regarding their blood LDL levels . they didn't take their pills on time .

let me name a couple of them : CVA (cerebrovascular accident) - TIA (transient ischemic attack) - IHD (ischemic heart disease) - STEMI (myocardial infarction) - PAD (peripheral artery disease) - .................

trust me , i make no money by fooling you . in Iran , since there are only a couple of pharma companies who produce high-tech drugs , they do not have any reps. and doctors HAVE TO write their prescription anyways .

regarding your autoimmune disease , i'm actually surprised you were miss-diagnosed cause detecting that autoimmune disease is not a difficult task .

a reply to: schuyler

New studies.

Are they any more accurate than the old studies? Who knows but they do place a question mark on what what "medical science agrees with".

ETA: Probably meant dietary cholesterol.

a reply to: haman10

It is an honor to speak with someone from Iran. I am American. I don't hate you and I wish our governments would stop fighting. I appreciate your comments. I am 47 now. I have taken statins since I was 25. I think if they were going to help me much that they did in those 22 years. I am exercising a lot now, have less worry about cholesterol cause it seems if I eat bacon I am happy and satisfied for many hours after eating a few pieces. I am losing weight eating fat laden foods. They simply satisfy my hunger for much longer. My health and blood levels are improving.

I don't know if everyone could have the same experience that I am having just eating food I want in smaller quantities than being hungry cause I am eating stuff that is not satisfying but it is working for me. I eat 2 3 eggs every morning along with bacon or sausage and I am losing weight cause I never feel hungry till maybe dinner time.

Maybe the meds and rabit diets work for some but I have never been thinner or had such good blood test results without the statins.

originally posted by: wasaka
a reply to: Xeven

Omega-3 fat, naturally found in salmon, seal, and krill has
received some undeservedly bad press coverage lately.
You may have seen some of the following headlines:

- Link Between Omega-3 Fatty Acids and Increased Prostate Cancer Risk Confirmed (Science Daily1)
- Omega-3 Supplement Taken By Millions 'Linked to Aggressive Prostate Cancer' (Huffington Post2)
- Men who take omega-3 supplements at 71% higher risk of prostate cancer (NY Daily News3)
- Omega-3 supplements may trigger prostate cancer (Nursing Times4)
- Hold the salmon: Omega-3 fatty acids linked to higher risk of cancer (Time Magazine5)

These headlines are perfect examples of gross misreporting of science by the media, and it is instances like this that demonstrate why you cannot trust the conventional press to keep you informed about health.

Specifically, higher blood levels of the omega-3 fat DHA correlated to higher prostate cancer risk, while no correlation was found for EPA and ALA. They also had a 71 percent higher risk of developing high-grade prostate cancer. The elevated blood levels of DHA found in the featured study is not necessarily indicative of higher fish consumption. In fact, low-fat diets can increase DHA levels in much the same way omega-3 supplementation can.

While the researchers warn that fish oil supplements may be dangerous based on their findings, this study cannot show causation. Furthermore, no fish oil supplements were actually given as part of this study. Foods rich in omega-3 fats have previously been shown to prevent prostate cancer from spreading, and one recent meta-analysis found that fish consumption was associated with a 63 percent reduction in prostate cancer-specific mortality.

source: articles.mercola.com...

I throw some flaxseed I throw in foods for my Omega 3 and I eat tuna.

originally posted by: Xeven

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: Xeven

They may be a factor in the development of Alzheimer's as well.

The Clue to Why Low Fat Diet and Statins may Cause Alzheimer’s

This is reason I quit taking it...now I am glad I did even more so...

The problem with that one is that smoking protects against this disease. But the latest figures of tobacco costs, are causing a drop in consumption. So you push in one area and another area pops up. That's life I guess.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: schuyler

New studies.

Uh huh. Kind of like,

"Top men."
"Who, exactly?"
"Top. Men."

a reply to: wasaka

In my case when the debate of omegas came out, I switched to krill oil instead, the reason is that is truth that omegas 3 in pills tend to deteriorate the longer they stay in the shelf.

I have not problems with my cholesterol numbers as today and I am in a very high protein diet.

a reply to: schuyler

Yes, just like the info backing your stance.

I grew up hearing how bad eggs were. Remember the egg white omelette? Now "new and improved top men" are saying that yolks are not bad for you.