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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: beezzer
Where have I said anything about stripping rights away from her? Since when is speaking condemnation against someone, stripping the right to lobby the government away from them?
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
She has every right to bring a case as ridiculous as this to court. And the judge has every right to laugh her and her "righteous fervor" out of the courtroom after he/she gives this bigot a crash course on constitutional law.
originally posted by: beezzer
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: beezzer
It's not about being afraid of her success beezzer... It's about the fact that she is doing it in the first place. Of course the lawsuit will go nowhere, it CAN'T go anywhere. The mere fact that the defendant is listed as "all homosexuals" means it can't go anywhere. The problem is that she is trying to usurp the Constitution with her "righteous" beliefs. She should get the same condemnation as any terrorist trying the same through violence. Just because her attempt is non-violent doesn't mean she should get away with it.
You are right.
She should not have the freedom to express herself legally.
I don't know what I was thinking.
originally posted by: Seamrog
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
All you are doing is saying that I'm wrong, then refusing to elaborate on why. You address absolutely NONE of my points and then finally reiterate how not-so-secretly smug you are that you are somehow smarter than me with this knowledge you refuse to share.
I can't help it that you cannot comprehend the difference between the Natural Law, and the laws of nature.
They are NOT the same.
That IS the point. You just don't get it.
originally posted by: beezzer
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: beezzer
freedom of expression is not freedom to misuse the legal system.
do you disagree that that is exactly what this nebraska woman is doing?
I'm not a judge (nor jury, nor executioner as so many apparently are)
I'll leave that to the judge and the legal system to determine.
originally posted by: Woodcarver
Our legal system is set up to mirror the opinions of the people who accept to live under it's rule. It's kind of important to have an opinion on what is a frivolous use of it. Especially if your going to join in the discussion.
This is a serious forum where we share our collective opinions to see if we can come to an agreement on what can be considered wrong and right. Coming to a consensus is usually not possible but having an opinion is unavoidable. Keeping that opinion to yourself is a sign that you don't know enough to be confident about it.
There is no middle ground on this issue though. We either have good reason to believe in gods or there is not. I'm not calling for killings or forced education. Just better education. Focus on science and proper methodology. Religion will fall apart when kids aren't presented it as fact. Keep it in mythology courses along with greek and roman. Thats all it would take.
originally posted by: beezzer
originally posted by: Woodcarver
Our legal system is set up to mirror the opinions of the people who accept to live under it's rule. It's kind of important to have an opinion on what is a frivolous use of it. Especially if your going to join in the discussion.
My opinion? It's silly, but I'm not a judge. I think most lawsuits are stupid.
This is a serious forum where we share our collective opinions to see if we can come to an agreement on what can be considered wrong and right. Coming to a consensus is usually not possible but having an opinion is unavoidable. Keeping that opinion to yourself is a sign that you don't know enough to be confident about it.
Oh, I'll admit I'm not as bright as the mensa giants here. As for a serious forum? You can post seriously, Imma gonna have fun, it's how I roll.
There is no middle ground on this issue though. We either have good reason to believe in gods or there is not. I'm not calling for killings or forced education. Just better education. Focus on science and proper methodology. Religion will fall apart when kids aren't presented it as fact. Keep it in mythology courses along with greek and roman. Thats all it would take.
Stating that there is no middle ground might paint you as an extremist, but then again, I'm not as smarterest as everyone else.
It's none of your damned business why someone should or does have faith.
It's your right to believe that way, just don't push your beliefs onto me. Kay?
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Woodcarver
I'm not a "rabbit".
I'm a Puka. S'okay, many make that mistake.
And if you have an issue with elected officials having faith then might I suggest voting for those that have no faith.
(giggles at what I just wrote)
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: beezzer
No politician in their right mind today would ever come out as an atheist. The media circus that would result would be catastrophic. I could see the headlines now "Senator Railgun: Worse than Satanists? At least they believe in SOMETHING"
originally posted by: Woodcarver
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Woodcarver
I'm not a "rabbit".
I'm a Puka. S'okay, many make that mistake.
And if you have an issue with elected officials having faith then might I suggest voting for those that have no faith.
(giggles at what I just wrote)
Keep those fingers in those ears man. There is an entire world going on around you. I guess it's safer to pretend your some kind of fluffy cloud animal than deal with reality. Have fun eating rainbows or whatever you do. I'm sure that will make the world better.
We vote for one of the two sock puppets that can garner the most cash for their respective parties.
originally posted by: beezzer
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: beezzer
No politician in their right mind today would ever come out as an atheist. The media circus that would result would be catastrophic. I could see the headlines now "Senator Railgun: Worse than Satanists? At least they believe in SOMETHING"
That's because we don't vote for the best person for the job, we vote for the poerson most like us.
Educated people are dangerous. The elite prefer people JUST smart enough to perform their jobs but not question why things are the way they are.
originally posted by: Woodcarver
We vote for one of the two sock puppets that can garner the most cash for their respective parties.
originally posted by: beezzer
originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
a reply to: beezzer
No politician in their right mind today would ever come out as an atheist. The media circus that would result would be catastrophic. I could see the headlines now "Senator Railgun: Worse than Satanists? At least they believe in SOMETHING"
That's because we don't vote for the best person for the job, we vote for the poerson most like us.
Also a good reason to educate people better.
There is no middle ground on this issue though. We either have good reason to believe in gods or there is not. I'm not calling for killings or forced education. Just better education. Focus on science and proper methodology. Religion will fall apart when kids aren't presented it as fact. Keep it in mythology courses along with greek and roman. Thats all it would take.
originally posted by: charlyv
in the order of things, what you believe is no one else's business and it follows that you have no business trying to preach what you believe to others. If the world was really like this, imagine how so much more peaceful the world would be.