Riot engulfs Rabin Square as anti-police brutality protest spins out of control

a reply to: Involutionist

I have never understood why the people that scream the loudest about how poorly they were treated, are the ones that treat others even worse.

I don't understand the excuse, "They did it to me, so now I am going to do it someone else." I have been hurt. I have been treated badly, very badly. I always tried to use that a reminder, when dealing with others. I never want someone else to have to go through what I went through, if I can stop that from happening.

It is ludicrous to blame a whole race of people for the actions of a few. When does this madness stop?

This reminds me of a crazy YT video, Strange Fruits, I saw recently, that kind of sums it all up.

www.youtube.com...

originally posted by: mlemo

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: mlemo
I say ship them back to ethiopia.

Very few benefit from diversity.

Using you logic, "everyone "should go back to the home of their ancestors.

I think they should be given free travel back.

I will take a ticket to Arizona, since that is where the reservation, where my grandmother was born is located.

Thats fine with me, you all can live on your little plot and drink fire water all day. Im sure youll get along just fine without federal subsidies and casino revenue, like so many native communities do today. But youre going to have to make and sell some baskets or arrowheads to fund your own ticket, as this exchange means you can no longer be a dependent citizen. Later bro.

Also, do not discount the goodwill of my gesture. As historically, to the victors went the spoils. And ethiopians nor natives can claim their lands as a result of victory, only pity for their victimization.

Obviously, all Israelis leeching in ethiopia shall be the first to vacate.

I am hoping you are either very young, or poorly educated, the other choices would reflect negatively on your character, and your reason for posting deliberately incendiary comments. Your comments are full of racist innuendo and contains nothing that even comes close to being factual. I am responsible, I took the bait. I usually show more maturiy, and ignore these little traps. It is a common game your kind likes to play. You have no other way of getting attention, so you set firecrackers to the tails of kittens, and when sent to your room without supper, you come to areas like ATS to transfer your anger, frustration and get back at the adults that makes you feel so inadequate.

Just a bit of information,. The land and the people, did not gain anything of worth from your kind. Your perceived victory over the people that lived on this beautiful and bountiful land, before, your kind came, with your quest to rape, pillage and destroy everything you touched, was not a gesture of goodwill.

Your kind has been so successful, the land can no longer sustain us and you take pride in that. As far as, us going back to our "little" plots, the last time I looked, America, though beaten, bruised, and bleeding is not so "little". So, if my suggestion, based on your comment is fine by you. It is fine by me if your kind would be the first to leave.

It will take a little while, but under our stewardship, the land will recover from the damage you have done. She is resilant that way. Many things will be different, and she will carry your scars for a long time, but she will heal without your presence to continue your desecration.

I am done with this conversation. I will not endulge you or your kind ever again. You are going to have to find someone else to amuse you. Sorry. I know it sucks, but time goes by quicker than you think. You won't be a kid forever.

a reply to: tadaman

Its definitely an interesting subject. It could be argued that racism and dogmatic divisions are at the root of Israels larger , global problems.

This is in alignment with my thoughts. I have been contemplating since going to Israel and breathing it all in ( a lot of it was good and not all negative) the systematic behaviour that promotes discrimination there. Trying to wrap my mind around it all up to this very day.

There is an archaic school of thought in the upper currents of Israels power elite. Its not capable of transition into anything better. "What is better than supreme?" they ask themselves....

I believe that very problem persist throughout all middle east governments or all power elites that reside within them. I feel you.

I personally posted this thread simply to touch on one angle to help promote in future discussions a healthier mindset to understand other angles that seem arise and get played out every few years like wash, rinse and repeat.

Thank you for your wonderful insight.

Have a great evening.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I don't understand the excuse, "They did it to me, so now I am going to do it someone else." I have been hurt. I have been treated badly, very badly. I always tried to use that a reminder, when dealing with others. I never want someone else to have to go through what I went through, if I can stop that from happening.

I so feel you!

Personally speaking, due to ignorance of the mind, I have at times in the past been guilty of such things. However, the things that hurt me the most when younger were things that triggered me to act out in the same manner under the guise of righteousness. For instance; around the age of 14, I witnessed a boy bullying another boy...and became so hurt for the other that I expressed it as anger (physical violence) towards the bully, thus making me just like him. Sure, I hid under the guise of being a crusader for the weak and oppressed, but at the end of the day, I dropped another stone into that pond. That bully was probably inspired even more to carry on being a bully by my actions...

Empathy and compassion arises from our own experiences of being subjected to hurt...if we allow it. But it takes time. We often aspire to sing with angels, but every now and then end up dancing with devil. We are human after all. It's OK to be angry or upset but never violent towards others because of hate, especially because of the colour, creed, religion, nation, etc. of another.

“The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, a sensitivity, and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and a deep loving concern. Beautiful people do not just happen.”
~ Elisabeth Kübler-Ross

This reminds me of a crazy YT video, Strange Fruits, I saw recently, that kind of sums it all up.

Thank so much for bringing that wonderful video with its powerful message. That one is a keeper. The comment section below was filled with beautiful insight as well. I was so intrigued that I wanted to know more about the story that inspired it.

Here is something very beautiful about that video: the two sweet ISRAELI souls behind it...

Biography
Strange Fruit by Hili Noy and Shimi Asresay, Israel.

Hili Noy is a 27-year-old Israeli animator currently based in Jaffo. She works at Tross Media, a small lively animation studio in Tel Aviv. She was born in Kfar Vradim in northern Israel, the youngest of a family of seven siblings.

She graduated from the Tefen Experimental-Democratic High School, majoring in arts and design. She later graduated with a BFA in animation from the Bezalel Academy of Art and Design in Jerusalem. During her studies, she took part in a student exchange programme with FH-MAINZ University in Germany.

Strange Fruit is her graduation animation short film project from her final year at Bezalel.

Shimi Asresay is a 27-year-old animator currently based in Jerusalem. He was born in Be'er Sheva in southern Israel. His family emigrated from Ethiopia to Israel in the mid-1980s.

He graduated from high school majoring in arts, and has recently graduated with a BFA in animation from the Bezalel Academy of Art and Design in Jerusalem. During his studies, he taught drawing to youth at risk at the Neve Yaakov Community Center in Jerusalem.

Strange Fruit is his graduatation animation short film project from his final year at Bezalel.

There is a photo of both in this link below.

euromedaudiovisuel.net...

...and here is that beautiful video again.



Thank you.

originally posted by: Involutionist
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn


Here is something very beautiful about that video: the two sweet ISRAELI souls behind it...

Biography
Strange Fruit by Hili Noy and Shimi Asresay, Israel.

Thank you for sharing the information about the animators. I can feel the truth and their pain in their work.

It demonstrates so effectively and powerfully, what I feel, when I see other being persecuted for something that none of us have any choice, power or control over; to whom we are born.

Life experiences don't mold who we are. It is how we chose to deal with those experiences,that make us who we are. Pain, anger, frustrations, jealousy, hatred, fear, vengeance are all powerful, dangerous,and can be destructive emotions. Yet they don't have to be.

I am not not saying these emotions are not valid or in even in some cases justified. I just think they should not control you. It is you that has to control them. Like collisions between particles and antiparticles, it can lead to the annihilation of both you and the person you want to hurt.

It really is a strange little video, and it has been indelibly etched into my mind.

a reply to: Involutionist

Most people/countries/societies are the same, and Israel is no different.
In Israel there is some degree of discrimination towards: Ethiopians, Moroccans, Yemenis, Russians, Iraqis, gays, women, Arabs, Muslims, atheists. As you understand Israel is full of different minorities (many of them are guilty of racism themselves). This situation is creating a lot of tension. I think it will be over in a couple of generations, but for now it exists.
And I think the same is happening in every country in the world.

a reply to: MaxMech

I agree that all societies are basically the same at the core, but not identical in the flow of existence.

As you understand Israel is full of different minorities (many of them are guilty of racism themselves).

I understand Israel is full of people....period. Why fragment humanity into boxes?

I will meet you half way my friend:

Most people living in the Middle East are Semitic, that includes Arabs, but yes, there is a melting pot of different cultures and ethnicity residing there that have immigrated from other parts of the world such as Poland, Russia, Ethiopia, Germany and so on. The fact that we can come from different places to reside in one place clearly shows all us are the same species: Human. And yes, there are racist and bigots throughout the world belonging to all backgrounds, but that is my point in this thread (or one of them): this is not about pointing fingers such as; "but they do it too!" I personally don't care who the perpetrator of racism is, whether they are light beige or dark brown....just don't be a racist or a bigot!

I'm curious to how you identify Israelis as far as race is concerned? The reason I ask is because you used the word:minorities. What race would be considered the majority in Israel? I ask because this touches on a subtle mindset that can further exacerbate the issue...unconsciously.

Actually to be fair: How do you identify Palestinians as far as race is concerned?

I personally cannot tell the difference between an Israeli and Palestinian if it were not for the wall separating the two. My dear friend who was born in Israel and Jewish is often mistaken as Indian or a Saudi due to his very brown complexion and features, to which he has been discriminated against by more fairer skinned Israelis who "assumed" he was from another place in the world. It is unbelievably poetic to watch his reaction and then the other parties reaction when they realize he actually was born in Israel (of 6th generations) and is rocking the biggest Star of David around his neck and straps on the Tefillin. Btw, my buddy is well aware of my condescending views concerning the government of Israel and is ok with that. He understands I separate the state from the people.

And I think the same is happening in every country in the world.

NO, my friend. I was born and raised in Toronto. It is thee most diversified city on the entire globe. I have stayed quite a bit in the Netherlands which reminds me of Toronto and they too are well adjusted mix of cultures. But I do find inspiration in your words that we are all headed towards one global melting pot.

I look forward to a world where there are children of every background in every classroom in every imaginable place in this world.

My school photos from Gr.1 thru 12 looks like a U.N meeting. And every single face is beautiful.

As you understand Israel is full of different minorities (many of them are guilty of racism themselves).

There was a time where one man can take another man and make him his slave.

Most times the slave master was of a different complexion than their servant.

The servant HATED his master and the master HATED his slave....but the slaves racism never had an effect on the master.

...However, it only affected the slave at a more grievous level of existence.

I think it will be over in a couple of generations, but for now it exists.

With beautiful hearts such as yours and many on this site and around the world, I know your vision will come true. Why?

...because the beautiful ones are the majority.

That's the 99% we speak about.

Respectfully,

Involutionist

originally posted by: Involutionist

“The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, a sensitivity, and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and a deep loving concern. Beautiful people do not just happen.”
~ Elisabeth Kübler-Ross

You don't always find a way out of the depths. The world eats up the weak.

The Middle East is a uniquely very evil place, I know because I work and live here as someone from a 3rd world nation with a brown skin. Nations who support this place share in this evil.

"Calling for air support, cook these fools!"

I don't mind dying with them with the difficult life I had, I deserve some rest too even if it's in the afterlife.

Ethiopian judaism supposedly goes back to the Queen of Sheeba and King Solomon,the ark of the covenant is supposedly in Ethiopia,the Ethiopian jews have been jews for thousands of years more than most of the central European origin jews in Israel (Khazars) so suggesting shipping them back is just racism.

a reply to: johndeere2020

I wish you much peace in your heart, my friend. I feel you...

I know the evils you speak about that reside throughout the Middle East. In Dubai -- East Indians, Africans, and Filipinos (and pretty much anybody else who is not Saudi) are treated like second class citizens, I have seen it with my own eyes. So, these happenings are not exclusive to Israel. What makes Israel so interesting is the fact that within their own land, they build invisible walls against those who share the same faith and nationality but not the same complexion. Even within their own borders the apartheid mentality exist.

A nation that demands the right to exist and live free from verbal, mental, and physical aggression, yet denies their very own citizens of the same religious beliefs that very same right, makes my head spin. Now, most are good hearts, but that does not excuse the many who are not.

You don't always find a way out of the depths.

True, but you can always keep trying. When we turn to face the sun, the shadows fall behind us. It is important to note that the shadows never go away, they are still there, but at least this time we have the warmth of the sun on our faces getting the attention. There will be days that the sun is hidden behind the clouds. Those are the best days; no shadows at all; yet we know the sun is still there.

I don't mind dying with them with the difficult life I had, I deserve some rest too even if it's in the afterlife.

I wish you and your loved one a very good life. You deserve it!

a reply to: khnum

Ethiopian judaism supposedly goes back to the Queen of Sheeba and King Solomon,the ark of the covenant is supposedly in Ethiopia,the Ethiopian jews have been jews for thousands of years more than most of the central European origin jews in Israel (Khazars) so suggesting shipping them back is just racism.

There is no such suggestion. You are confusing between Ethiopian Jews and Sudanese/Eritrean refugees.

a reply to: Involutionist

I can't really say I disagree with your point of view, but....

I understand Israel is full of people....period. Why fragment humanity into boxes?

Very noble, but naive way to look at things. I wish everybody would see things like you (or at least the majority), but this is not the reality we are living in.

And yes, there are racist and bigots throughout the world belonging to all backgrounds, but that is my point in this thread (or one of them): this is not about pointing fingers such as; "but they do it too!" I personally don't care who the perpetrator of racism is, whether they are light beige or dark brown....just don't be a racist or a bigot!

OK, so according to this, the point of your post is not to emphasize the fact that dark skinned people are oppressed in Israel, but only to point out that racism exists in Israel.
If so, it wasn't so clear in your original post:
"The racism there is almost identical (systematically and personally) as to South Africa (another place I have been). Both countries ideologies (apartheid) seem to be two heads of the same monster."

I'm curious to how you identify Israelis as far as race is concerned? The reason I ask is because you used the word:minorities. What race would be considered the majority in Israel? I ask because this touches on a subtle mindset that can further exacerbate the issue...unconsciously.

Actually to be fair: How do you identify Palestinians as far as race is concerned?

Obviously both are human. I'm not sure what are you hinting here, but I can assure you that nobody in Israel sees Palestinians as a different race.

My dear friend who was born in Israel and Jewish is often mistaken as Indian or a Saudi due to his very brown complexion and features, to which he has been discriminated against by more fairer skinned Israelis who "assumed" he was from another place in the world. It is unbelievably poetic to watch his reaction and then the other parties reaction when they realize he actually was born in Israel...

As I said, this goes both ways. An Ukrainian Jew in Israel will be classified as Russian by any middle eastern person. It is equally poetic to watch the latter realize that these are two different countries. In other cases same person can be easily mistaken for a tourist.
Look, for an average person it takes a conscious effort to "not assume" or "not prejudge", the human history is full of assuming and prejudgement. We all do it every day.

NO, my friend. I was born and raised in Toronto. It is thee most diversified city on the entire globe. I have stayed quite a bit in the Netherlands which reminds me of Toronto and they too are well adjusted mix of cultures.

One city is hardly representing a country. I know Canada is a great place to live in, but judging by the protests in Canada I may think it's a lot worse that it is:
en.wikipedia.org... - look at the photo.

I've been 3 times in the Netherlands and I know It's a very nice place. Not if I judge by the protests:
www.aljazeera.com...

Read this very carefully -

Now, here is the thing: this is a small country. All matters of racism happen here but they go unreported in international mainstream media because the Dutch language is mostly inaccessible to the world at large. So, these matters remain untold, underreported, downplayed or just ignored.

Source - tigerbeatdown.com...

You see, my friend, I know these things are happening in Canada and Netherlands but I don't assume that the fact that racism exist in these countries, means that they are somehow lead by apartheid ideology.

There was a time where one man can take another man and make him his slave.
Most times the slave master was of a different complexion than their servant.
The servant HATED his master and the master HATED his slave....but the slaves racism never had an effect on the master.
...However, it only affected the slave at a more grievous level of existence.

This is not what I meant. My point was that a Moroccan person who suffers from discrimination has no problem to discriminate against an Ethiopian, who in his turn has no problem to discriminate against an Arab, who very often discriminates against women (this is not speculation, this is the reality in Israel, and every other country). There are no masters and slaves (not in ethnicity or skin color sense), only intolerance towards the different.

But hey man, stay positive.
As mentioned, all ethnicity related problems should disappear in a couple of generations, though I'm afraid to imagine the problems that will replays them...

edit on 10-5-2015 by MaxMech because: (no reason given)

a reply to: MaxMech

Very noble, but naive way to look at things. I wish everybody would see things like you (or at least the majority), but this is not the reality we are living in.

From my personal reality tunnel based on experiences, I believe most people are not racist or bigots anywhere on this globe. Most people (from my POV) do see things like me.

Obviously both are human. I'm not sure what are you hinting here, but I can assure you that nobody in Israel sees Palestinians as a different race.

That was my point. If all are one: Who is the minority you speak of in your initial post and again, how do you define that?

Look, for an average person it takes a conscious effort to "not assume" or "not prejudge", the human history is full of assuming and prejudgement. We all do it every day.

To a degree. I prejudge lawyers and insurance sales people. I would like to believe that despite the fact we cannot escape having a preformed concept of members of society, we should never judge a person on anything other than the content of their character. To do so based on race, religion, and creed is ignorant.

One city is hardly representing a country. I know Canada is a great place to live in, but judging by the protests in Canada I may think it's a lot worse that it is:
en.wikipedia.org... - look at the photo.

A protest or the frequency does not represent a country either....or does it? It represents an issue within a society.

This OP isn't about Canada. This is about the story in the OP taking place in Israel atm. Now, to be fair, I posted this thread because I have been to Israel. You should come to Canada and you will see something completely different than the wiki link suggest. I have never heard of that protest, btw, despite I'm aware of the issues.

We don't have prevalent racism here by members of everyday society, but the issue in the link you provided is an issue of exploitation of First Nations Peoples by government. You should allow what your eyes witnessed in the Netherlands be your compass and not a link off the web. If it exist at a serious level, than it will make it to the streets...for all the world to see.

All nations have protest; all nations have issues; some just go about it differently. Just not as violent and numerous as other countries.

I've been 3 times in the Netherlands and I know It's a very nice place. Not if I judge by the protests:

Don't judge by protest; that would be ludicrous. It is reaching...and off topic. The issue is racism in Israel.

This is not what I meant. My point was that a Moroccan person who suffers from discrimination has no problem to discriminate against an Ethiopian, who in his turn has no problem to discriminate against an Arab, who very often discriminates against women (this is not speculation, this is the reality in Israel, and every other country). There are no masters and slaves (not in ethnicity or skin color sense), only intolerance towards the different.

Seriously....?

You see, my friend, I know these things are happening in Canada and Netherlands but I don't assume that the fact that racism exist in these countries, means that they are somehow lead by apartheid ideology.

That would be the sensible thing to do. I agree. Canada and Netherlands don't build walls...no forced segregation.

This is not point fingers thread...tit for tat crap.

But hey man, stay positive.

Always. I see most people as good hearts. That makes it easier.

As mentioned, all ethnicity related problems should disappear in a couple of generations, though I'm afraid to imagine the problems that will replays them...

That does not sound positive.

a reply to: Involutionist

That was my point. If all are one: Who is the minority you speak of in your initial post and again, how do you define that?

Ethnic minorities, gender and sexuality minorities and religious minorities.

I prejudge lawyers and insurance sales people. I would like to believe that despite the fact we cannot escape having a preformed concept of members of society, we should never judge a person on anything other than the content of their character. To do so based on race, religion, and creed is ignorant.

Agreed. Still, most of the people do it every day, IMO.

Now, to be fair, I posted this thread because I have been to Israel. You should come to Canada and you will see something completely different than the wiki link suggest.

OK, so what did you see in Israel that made you think that there is so much racism against Ethiopians?

Seriously....?

Yes.

That would be the sensible thing to do. I agree. Canada and Netherlands don't build walls...no forced segregation.

I though this topic was about the Ethiopian protest...

a reply to: MaxMech

OK, so what did you see in Israel that made you think that there is so much racism against Ethiopians?

Stuff like in the video I posted in the O.P.

Stuff like this in the link below takes place against certain Israeli citezens of a certain complexion as well at times...to certain degrees, of course.

I was in Israel last year with Mary [a mutual friend]. Her sister works for UNRWA [the UN agency for Palestinian refugees] in Jerusalem. Showing us round were a Palestinian – Shadi, who is her sister’s husband and a professional guide – and Oren Jacobovitch, an Israeli Jew, an ex-major from the IDF [Israel Defence Forces] who left the service under a cloud for refusing to beat up Palestinians. Between the two of them we got to see some harrowing things – Palestinian houses hemmed in by wire mesh and boards to prevent settlers throwing # and piss and used sanitary towels at the inhabitants; Palestinian kids on their way to school being beaten by Israeli kids with baseball bats to parental applause and laughter; a whole village evicted and living in caves while three settler families moved on to their land; an Israeli settlement on top of a hill diverting its sewage directly down on to Palestinian farmland below; The Wall; the checkpoints… and all the endless daily humiliations. I kept thinking, “Do Americans really condone this? Do they really think this is OK? Or do they just not know about it?”

www.independent.co.uk...

Stuff like that takes place within Israel's borders and surrounding it. You see my friend? I don't simply believe Brian Eno's words because he said it. I know what he speaks about is the truth because thine owns have witnessed those going ons while there. Yet, I still stress, most are pure hearts...on both sides of that wall.

I might make the link a new thread.

I would like to stress the racism is not exclusively directed towards Ethiopians...My point of the thread is there is racism AND bigotry there...period. There is racism and bigotry in every country, but right now, I focus on the ones that are causing a voice to be raised. I'm simply doing my part acting as an echo.

A nation that builds invisible walls among its own citizens of a certain demographic along with physical walls that keep Palestinians out, despite the claim there is no difference between the two, leads to better understanding the nature of the beast. Again, this does not reflect the majority of people who reside there. The "Strange Fruit" video clearly shows there are plenty of good hearts there.

This is not what I meant. My point was that a Moroccan person who suffers from discrimination has no problem to discriminate against an Ethiopian, who in his turn has no problem to discriminate against an Arab, who very often discriminates against women (this is not speculation, this is the reality in Israel, and every other country).

I believe people possess more empathy and compassion than you claim.

I though this topic was about the Ethiopian protest...

The main focus of this thread was a Israeli citizen of Ethiopian descent being beaten for no apparent reason other than for his race. I saw a Ethiopian boy get slapped in his face by a woman who felt offended because he accidentally stepped on her foot. I wake up and see that video and am reminded that things still need to change.

The protest is the effect....

Racism is the cause.

That is topic of this thread.

... all the endless daily humiliations.

a reply to: Involutionist

Fair enough.

a reply to: Involutionist

Ethepoian population were doing quite well. They were being pretty much integrated along with another Jewish group, the ex Soviets. The groups Ruskies and Falashas are both viwed by other Israelis with kindness, while at the same time many argue that they are not really Jews of Jewish decent, many Ruskies found a faked Jewisg person n their family tree and thus become eligible for aliyha. Both groups have become part of Israeli society.jor setback, not of their own doing but because hundred thousand blacks from Africa have managed to sneak in to Israel across Sinai. Now many people in Tel Aviv have got tired of these migrants, often they are Muslim and have caused lots of trouble. People employ these illegals to do the dirty work and on building sites. Thing is now the Falasha Jews have got tarred with the same brush as these illegals and people in Israel have definitely got more racist against blacks. I saw a Ruskie clobber an illegal near the beach when they sat on one of his cafe chairs. Israel is one weird place

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Both groups have become part of Israeli society.jor setback, not of their own doing but because hundred thousand blacks from Africa have managed to sneak in to Israel across Sinai. Now many people in Tel Aviv have got tired of these migrants

Considering the political history of Israel, I find the above (if true) to be very ironic...

After all, one would hope that a society that was persecuted in Germany and other parts of Europe because of their faith to the point of being forced to migrate due to the currency of life being torn from them, would be more keen on cultivating a society whose later generations are more accepting of others. One would hope that persecution of people in the past would breed more compassion (from the older generations) and empathy (from the younger generations) in the promised land of all places.

The groups Ruskies and Falashas are both viwed by other Israelis with kindness

I acknowledge this as the truth.

Thing is now the Falasha Jews have got tarred with the same brush as these illegals and people in Israel have definitely got more racist against blacks. I

There was wider acceptance before "the lumping all Africans into one box" mindset kicked in...for some who reside there. Sadly, I agree.

I saw a Ruskie clobber an illegal near the beach when they sat on one of his cafe chairs. Israel is one weird place

Yes, it is a place filled with much irony and hypocrisy on many levels. Still, a wonderful nation as far as infrastructure and modern world existence is concerned.

Beyond the politics, Israel is a very cool and exciting land with much fun to be had with other like minded people of all faiths and backgrounds. It's just too bad when events like the one you mentioned above take place, because it really does kill the vibe at the pub when it goes down. Like a dark cloud lingers where there once was a rainbow. The beer does not taste the same after that...

I will never understand that kind of hate that would cause one to physically act out. The events in the video in my OP happens everyday there.

a reply to: Involutionist

Yes Israel like many countries has got one BIG problem when it comes to illegal immigrants. As you say it's ironic considering Israeli's are immigrants or children of them but non Jewish sub Saharan African's are flooding into Israel. Many areas of Tel Aviv especially in the south are dangerous due to them living there. I,ve seen them living with the cats under the breakwater boulders, mad it is. Just to get an idea of what it's like look at this footage I took of one of the immigrant marches on the beach front in Tel Aviv. Please bear in mind these are not Israeli Falasha locals like seen in the Rabin Squra riots, these are illegal immigrants who have sneaked into Israel. www.dailymotion.com...


I think they were demanding rights like medical care but as they are illegals israel igonres them, they are useful for construction work and dish washing. They are everywhere, now the Falash get lumped in with these illegal immigrants and treated the same as they are pretty black too