Jade Helm in Illinois

a reply to: reldra

There is a lot more than just Jade Helm going on, every year. Tanks are coming home from the Middle East, going to Ohio for refurbishment, while others are coming out of there going back to their units and have to get moved. Some are coming back from Europe for refurbishment, and are being sent to ports to go back to their units. The National Guard units are going for their summer rotation/training. Other units are doing predeployment workups, and training and have to be moved to the training locations.

Equipment is moved constantly through the US. Over the last year I've seen everything from tanks, to convoys of humvees driving down the road, almost every day. I've even seen ICBM maintenance trailers driving down the road.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: reldra

There is a lot more than just Jade Helm going on, every year. Tanks are coming home from the Middle East, going to Ohio for refurbishment, while others are coming out of there going back to their units and have to get moved. Some are coming back from Europe for refurbishment, and are being sent to ports to go back to their units. The National Guard units are going for their summer rotation/training. Other units are doing predeployment workups, and training and have to be moved to the training locations.

Equipment is moved constantly through the US. Over the last year I've seen everything from tanks, to convoys of humvees driving down the road, almost every day. I've even seen ICBM maintenance trailers driving down the road.

You forgot one. Some are stored behind the closed Walmarts

a reply to: reldra

When trucks carrying them are taking breaks.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: reldra

Except that they're not using heavy equipment. It's a SOCOM exercise, and they don't use tanks and APCs.

Please don't take offense. I mean none. I am just curious. Why do you believe they will be honest with us about any of this? I see you believe what they are saying, and I admire your faith in a government that has lied to us so frequently that I have lost all faith in anything they say.

If they say right,I look left and right. If they say up, I look down and up. If they say next week, I am outside checking the neighborhood. I have lost faith. I love my country and all of you. I once would have died for my country. Not today. I would die for you, for the people of this country, but the country has already been taken from us. We just haven't decided to admit that yet. I want so badly to have it restored, but I won't live to see it. I am too old. So tell me how do you stay so true.

Again, I am not trying to be a wise ass. I am one of the those people that have been trying to work within the system for years, with absolutely no success. I have made myself a target ,and they only tolerate me because they need me. I know I will be eliminated the moment I am no longer useful. I have no illusions about that. As I have said before. I have tried to walk away, but I have way too many family and friends that are clueless, and would be helpless.

If I am wrong, it will just be the tale of a crazy old lady conspiracy theorist, so I pray everyday I am wrong. If you are wrong, well, it will be tale of a NWO. I pray everyday you are right. So give an old crazy ATS lady a little hope to hold on to. Why do you believe so strongly that they are telling us the truth?

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Because I've talked to people that have seen the briefing slides. They're not participants, but they've been briefed in on the exercise.

What I saw was not a routine police exercise. I have seen those in the nearly 9 years I have lived here. This was different. That doesn't mean diabolical, or sinister-have to leave the possibility open. But it was different, and considering the absence of the kind of notification we have received in the past, it does seem like something more than just routine training. I know its just conjecture, but conjecture with 9 years of observed evidence to the contrary.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Because I've talked to people that have seen the briefing slides. They're not participants, but they've been briefed in on the exercise.

And you know and trust these people with your life?

I know a lot of people also. Some are so blind they can't see their nose on their face. Even when they were being escorted out the front door by security, they were still in a daze and completely uncomprehending.

I have seen the handwriting on the wall, on more than one occasion. I tried to warn, "Avalanche Ahead', and every time, I would get the ones coming to me in secret, whispering; "How did you know?"

I am not psychic. I am intuitive, and I guess I have a very keen sense of smell, because you can't piss on my head and tell me that it is raining. I have been in the system long enough to know that people see what they want to see, and go totally bat blind, when they see something they don't want to see, or can't deal with. It is called plausible deniability. For some reason they think it is going to save their behind. It has never saved anyone else's behind, when they were caught in the cross-hairs, but they keep thinking it is going to save theirs.

I don't know what is going on, but my nose tells me it is not rain pouring down on my head. My gut, and it is rarely wrong, tells me something is amiss. Our government doesn't trust us. Worse still, is we don't trust them. If something wicked this way comes, we would have a much better chance of a positive outcome, if we were working together. That has always been the way. Americans are staunchly loyal. Men left their wifes, Boys left school, and women left their children at home and took to the factories and warehouses, when we felt under attack in the past.

Granted we have a whole new group of spoiled, entitled, young ones, that will have to deal with a bit of reality shock, but most come from pretty good stock, they will just need to adjust. Hunger and fear have a way of snapping you back to reality pretty fast. If they are expecting something ugly, they need the people with them, not against them. It is going to be difficult enough to fight one enemy or disaster. They won't be able to deal with the added burden of having to fight the people also. Unless they consider us expendable, and nobody wants to believe that.

So again. I pray you are right, and that friends are telling you the real truth, and not the truths that they have been told. I guess in the end we will all know the truth. In the mean time, I am going to keep on praying that I just have a bad case of indigestion or leaky bowel syndrome.

Damn you Monsanto!

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
What I saw was not a routine police exercise. I have seen those in the nearly 9 years I have lived here. This was different. That doesn't mean diabolical, or sinister-have to leave the possibility open. But it was different, and considering the absence of the kind of notification we have received in the past, it does seem like something more than just routine training. I know its just conjecture, but conjecture with 9 years of observed evidence to the contrary.

I agree with you.

I sure hope that I will not have to apologize to Monsanto.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

They're trusting me with theirs. They've given me some information in the past that could get their hides nailed to a wall, without removing it first, and it's all checked out. I have no reason to doubt this information, but yes, I trust them completely. They haven't lied to me in the past.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

They're trusting me with theirs. They've given me some information in the past that could get their hides nailed to a wall, without removing it first, and it's all checked out. I have no reason to doubt this information, but yes, I trust them completely. They haven't lied to me in the past.

Thank you so much for your kind patience, and for indulging me. You have succeeded in explaining to me why you are so solid in your trust of our government.

I am really rooting for you, your friends, our country and all of us. I truly do hope that my concerns are for naught and my gut is just be contrary.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Are you going to let us know the town this happened in? I know a lot of State employees in Illinois and if you can tell us the town or even the mall I can try and get some confirmation on your story but if you choose not to say then I will say that your story is just a case of B.S.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I trust our government as far as I can throw my truck, with a fully loaded trailer. It's more the military that I trust.

a reply to: thesaneone

I am sorry that you feel that way but I said in an earlier post that I do not feel comfortable talking about my home on the interwebs. I am sure you can understand. I am willing to bet you wouldn't want to publicize where you live either.

I went back, and angered my wife in the process, and got pics of what was there at the time. I did the best I could without giving directions to my house. If that isn't good enough, then I call bs on you because you wouldn't do any more than I did.

a reply to: Zaphod58
With all due respect, how do you know this is the same type of exercise and how do you know what they showed you was not a "sit down and be quiet" calm the masses response?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

I didn't see them. I said I've talked to people that have seen them. They weren't "sit down and keep calm" slides, these are people that may end up involved in the exercise itself, so need to know what is really going on.

a reply to: Zaphod58

oK, you didn't see them, my mistake on that. But still I wonder, especially if they are people that may end up in the exercise, if they are not covering something up. That gives me more reason to suspect rather than less. Do they know you are affiliated with ATS? That too would suggest they may be using you to disseminate false information. Not suggesting you wouldn't know the difference, but when you trust someone, its a lot easier for them to sneak something past you than when you don't. Just theorizing...but that is what its all about, right?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Considering the nature of the information that they've given me in the past, I seriously doubt that they are giving me false information this time. They've given me information that could get a lot of people in a lot of trouble, and get them sent away for a very long time. Now suddenly they're going to start giving me fake information to cover this up? I don't think so.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Fair enough. You are more familiar with the history there than I am. I have to be, at the very least, due diligent skeptical...but only to a point. Ty.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

That gives me more reason to suspect rather than less. Do they know you are affiliated with ATS?

I can tell you from what I have seen Zaphod discuss in my time here...he is well connected in the military field and has even proven his knowledge time and time again.

Don't get me wrong but being affiliated with ATS would probably be a good thing for them as it is a way to get the information of what Jade Helm is, and what it isn't to those who enjoy tinfoil hats and think everything the government does is nefarious.

But that is just the way I see things during my time here at ATS.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Fair enough. You are more familiar with the history there than I am. I have to be, at the very least, due diligent skeptical...but only to a point. Ty.

I think the big problem with Jade Helm is the fact we have the voicetress conspiracy theorist like Alex Jones, and Jesse Ventura ranting on things that are never proven to actually be true.