Putin's Propaganda Machine.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Well we can discuss how Putin pays trolls to you know take them off topic and post pro Kremlin ptopaganda. Herr is actually an interview with 2 of them.
www.theguardian.com...

Makes me wonder if ATS has any wonder of they are big enough??

a reply to: dragonridr

Makes me wonder if ATS has any wonder of they are big enough??

Big enough for what? To sway anyone?

a reply to: dragonridr

you mean something like.

originally posted by: mSparks43
a reply to: dragonridr

They absolutely did lock you out.
UK is up there with the worst of them.
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

I take it you weren't around on the web before the days of unicode and IP address based content, when everything from every university in the world was open access and in English.

Now you've got to be in the "in crowd" to gain access to anything other than corporate advertising and government controlled forums.

It's fairly easy, you don't know you are locked out because you don't know what exists.
And google/bing yahoo etc are all filtered to make sure it stays that way.

...

AstroTurfing is well and truly a western invention.
you mentioned tor.
have you used any of the other public alternatives like freenet or anonet.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

->Now exactly how does anything you posted have to do with the premise of the thread.

Well, without reading your mind.
The thread is about propaganda and Putin.
And you started the thread by posting an Anti Putin Propoganda video.

So I've mostly been talking about the structure and nature of anti putin propoganda.

Did you have something different in mind?

a reply to: dragonridr

->No he said there is no Russian troops in Ukraine

Nothing but disinformation at it's most grotesque.

He said in March 2014.
He didn't want to, didn't expect to, but absolutely would.


about 19 minutes in.

Then the russian parliament Aurthorised the use of Russian troops in June 2014.
graph.document.kremlin.ru...

Now they have recognised the DPR/DNR group what else does that mean other than they are providing them support, arms and training as they see fit?

What part of any of those chain of events is Putin saying "There are no Russian troops in the Ukraine"?
Your article alleging he said there are no Russian troops in the Ukraine is from Feb 2015
Russia recognised the DPR/DNR in November 2014.

Putin is an odd man indeed, my old checkers teacher told me a story that explains Putin's motives.

A cricket was wandering around one day looking for food, when he realized that he wasn't sure what kind of food crickets ate, and was surprised that he never thought about it before. The cricket walked to a nearby insect brothel and asked the brothel broad what crickets usually eat. In the brothel was a lamp. The brothel broad said she had never seen crickets before. The cricket was appalled. Not only because he had some sort of arrogant notion that crickets were highly thought of in the insect world, but that he thought it hurt his chances (sexually speaking) with the brothel broad. He didn't even realize that it's not normal to be involved sexually with the main brothel broad, and that the other hookers were, well, hookers and he just pays them money.

It was instantly apparent to the cricket that he wasn't carrying any money on him, and worse yet he didn't even know what type of currency insects use. This severely hurt his changes (sexually speaking) with the other hookers at the brothel. That day was kind of cloudy. Now the bug did a smart thing, he went to the bug doctor because of his extreme worry over his lack of memory on the logistics of insect life. The doctor told him when he was done there he could go to the brothel.

a reply to: mSparks43

Well, without reading your mind.
The thread is about propaganda and Putin.
And you started the thread by posting an Anti Putin Propoganda video.

No this thread is about the propaganda that Putin has been having spread...Remember I started the thread so I know what it's about.

a reply to: mSparks43

What part of any of those chain of events is Putin saying "There are no Russian troops in the Ukraine"?

In April of 2014 he said this...

"It's all nonsense,there are no Russian units, special forces or instructors in the east of Ukraine ," Putin said.

www.aljazeera.com...

Guess you missed that one didn't you?

And the fact they have active troops participating and were caught fighting in Ukraine proves Putin is lying and using his propaganda machine to lie to his own people.

But keep on trying to make Putin out as something other than a liar on Ukraine I say go for it, but the truth is already been proven...by his own military.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h
Well then, don't you think you should find some of that then?

The closest we've come is the vid I posted way way back, and no one felt the need to talk about it afair:

a reply to: tsurfer2000h
Did you actually read the story?
->He did admit, for the first time, that the troops in unmarked uniforms who had captured Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula before its annexation last month by Moscow were Russian soldiers.

Which importantly, is Putin admitting he does not feel bound by the Geneva convention.

But that has nothing to do with "Propaganda by Putin"
what part of:
Telling military generals to "go to sleep, nothing to see here"
has anything to do with:
define:propaganda = information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.

Propaganda is not Disinformation, and Disinformation is not propaganda.
Two very different things.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: mSparks43

Well, without reading your mind.
The thread is about propaganda and Putin.
And you started the thread by posting an Anti Putin Propoganda video.

No this thread is about the propaganda that Putin has been having spread...Remember I started the thread so I know what it's about.

I don't get it. The propaganda your country pushes on to you has caused the death of millions because you were not keen enough to discredit it. But Russia starts spreading propaganda that has no effect on you or yours only Russia and the birthplace of Russia, then why do you care?

What can you do about Russia's propaganda that you cannot do about your own nations?

You would be a dedicated and valuable asset to help expose the lies and corruption that poisons your own country and it's allies. Why waist your talent on Russia?

a reply to: MALBOSIA

I don't get it. The propaganda your country pushes on to you has caused the death of millions because you were not keen enough to discredit it.

Well if this were a thread about that then I would...feel free to start one.

I have acknowledged more than once the problems with the media in this country, but you aren't keen enough to actually see it.

But Russia starts spreading propaganda that has no effect on you or yours only Russia and the birthplace of Russia, then why do you care?

This thread has no effect on you so why do you care so much that you decided to post in it? Are you Russian?

What can you do about Russia's propaganda that you cannot do about your own nations?

I can do what this thread is doing bringing the propaganda of Putin to the masses, because if it were left to members like you and a few others, it would be nothing but the west's fault that Russia decided to annex a sovereign country then start a war in it.

Because of course Russia has the right to do what they did and lying about it is okay...because that is what you would rather see than the truth.

You would be a dedicated and valuable asset to help expose the lies and corruption that poisons your own country and it's allies. Why waist your talent on Russia?

That could be asked of you...

Why are you okay with what Russia has done and why is it okay for them to invade a sovereign country and take part of that country for their own ?

a reply to: mSparks43

->He did admit, for the first time, that the troops in unmarked uniforms who had captured Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula before its annexation last month by Moscow were Russian soldiers.

And did you pay attention to the part where he says this...

"It's all nonsense,there are no Russian units, special forces or instructors in the east of Ukraine ," Putin said.

And yet we have had paratroopers and Spetsnaz being captured in Eastern Ukraine...I didn't say anything about Crimea did I?

Good try, but you do know that Spetsnaz are Russian special forces that were caught in Eastern Ukraine...but what does the truth matter right?

Propaganda is not Disinformation, and Disinformation is not propaganda.
Two very different things.

Seems you may not understand the difference yourself.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Russian special forces were caught in Eastern Ukraine before June 2014?

got some proof for that?

a reply to: mSparks43

The closest we've come is the vid I posted way way back, and no one felt the need to talk about it afair:

The reason nobody discussed your vid is because it is from one of the main propaganda machines this thread is about.

RT is Putin propaganda machine number one and has no trouble with propaganda and spreading it...good example right here.

khpg.org.ua...

That is only one of many that Russian media has portrayed as true, yet was nothing close to being true...in fact it was a lie, also known as propaganda.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

propaganda has nothing to do with lying unless that lie is to promote a political agenda.

dismissing a political agenda with lies is disinformation.

for example I'm pretty sure you lied when you implied Spetsnaz were caught in Eastern Ukraine before June 2014.
that lie is part of the disinformation campaign targeted at poor people by rich people to make them dismiss socialist propaganda which promotes poor people taking from rich people.
I agree rt is part of that machine.

that's why I thought this thread was all about anti putin propaganda. now I'm confused what you actually want us to talk about.

a reply to: mSparks43

Spetsnaz are Russian special forces were caught in Eastern Ukraine before June 2014?

Really you must have your head in the sand...How about May 16, 2015

a reply to: mSparks43

for example I'm pretty sure you lied when you implied Spetsnaz were caught in Eastern Ukraine before June 2014.

I never said Spetnaz were caught in Eastern Ukraine before June of 2014...which means your now just making things up.

that lie is part of the disinformation campaign targeted at poor people by rich people to make them dismiss socialist propaganda which promotes poor people taking from rich people.

What are you talking about...the only lie came from you accusing me of lying...good try but I am sure your just making things up as you go along, at first I wasn't sure but now I am.

that's why I thought this thread was all about anti putin propaganda. now I'm confused what you actually want us to talk about.

Well it shows you have no clue about what this thread is about, but it seems many other's knew what this thread was about.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

erm.
2015
is after russia said it was sending in troops.
so that has nothing to do with Russia saying it's troops weren't in the ukraine in 2014.

and absolutely nothing to do in any way shape or form with putin putting out information promoting a political agenda. and everything to do with western media trying to lie to you.

I'd hope you are smart enough to see that at least.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

but good point.
this wasn't posted here in English before.
www.bbc.com...

I'll stick that in the thread summary just for you the next time we need a recap.

Well I posted about the paid Internet bloggers where Russia past them to post pro Russian propaganda and attempt to disrupt negative critics. Well now let's look at the next arm of his propaganda machiene. We call it RT thus was specifically created by the Russian government to spread propaganda. It's there public policy they claim to expose the truth. Sadly they resort to putting in fake guests and fantasies.
www.buzzfeed.com...