Bali nine duo executed by firing squad

a reply to: camain

I don't look at them as victims just don't see how the death penalty solves anything. Im a former addict for years I was hooked on some bad stuff. Occasionally my dealers would be arrested or on one occasion one got tired of that life and quit. There was always someone new to fill the spot. Wheres there's demand people will find a way to supply.

originally posted by: camain
a reply to: Kryties

They lived 10 years too long in my opinion. When scum have to be fed, clothed and protected, it takes vital resources that are better allocated elsewhere. It is not the tax payers responsibility to be burdened with these idiots. Further anyone if given enough time will repent, when being punished. There's an old saying. You make your bed, now lie in it. The only issue I have with this, is that it dragged out for 10 years. If they would have put a bullet in them immediately after the trial, this wouldn't be an issue now. I congratulate Indonesia on having the patience and compassion to give these mongrels 10 years longer to live.

Ahh yes, here come the Due Process deniers. I was expecting a few, people who don't believe that appeals and courts are necessary - just take them out back and shoot them immediately.

Thank the Universe people like you aren't in charge, our society would regress hundreds of years back into the Dark Ages.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Kryties

A tweet really?

Yes, really. It is the middle of the night here, the real announcements and work won't begin until the morning.

Please, for the love of god, at least Google it and see for yourself.

Gotta love the barbaric thinking people starring each others posts btw, real classy. Keep salivating at the thought of someone dying why don't you, I'm off to bed.

These men, especially the two Australians, were executed without due consideration of external factors. The Brazilian man was certified mentally ill by Indonesian authorities. The Australian men were set to be heard in court on a constitutional challenge to the President next month. There were also allegations of corruption and bribery with the cases. These are hardly light allegations, and Indonesia would have been smart to take these factors into consideration before the executions of these people.

Unfortunately, and especially with the case of the Australian men, it would appear that Indonesia was using them as political pawns. Not only domestically, but abroad also. The amount of disrespect shown to the Australian prisoners and the Australian state was disappointing. They gave notice of the prisoners' expected time of execution on Australia's most important national holiday.

While they may have broken the law, Indonesia acted less than professional in how it dealt with them.

R.I.P.

a reply to: Kryties

his tweeting this is NOT to be taken lightly, it is the first official message from the Govt. about the executions and is indicative of what is to come:

It is indeed indicative of what is to come!...as your source claims "this will be followed by further condemnations"

That'll show 'em!

originally posted by: Kryties
Keep salivating at the thought of someone dying why don't you

Im not.

BUT I DONT BLOODY LIVE IN BLOODY BALI SO WHAT THE # DO YOU WANT US TO DO ABOUT IT!

It is THERE COUNTRY.


I do not make there laws nor can I change them!

What do you want us to do? Form a coalition and invade them? Give them some American style "freedumb" ?

a reply to: crazyewok

I think he/she just wants to discuss the topic intelligently no need to invade any countries.

a reply to: PeachesNCream

I wonder what is more barbaric: capital punishment for criminals or what criminals are doing right now in Baltimore?

a reply to: crazyewok

What you want me to do ask the UK to invade them? Bomb them? Blockade them?

There have been calls for Indonesian foreign aid to be redistributed to Nepal.

a reply to: Kryties

You are right I did post without looking into this further, I heard of the Bali Nine, but did not know the details. The only 2 that should have been given this sentence were the kingpins, the other 7 were lured in by them.

I did not know that one of the fathers went to authorities when he suspected his son might be travelling to Bali to participate in a drug offence then to have him picked up under circumstances other than what he was promised by them. The real devastation for him (Lee Rush) must be unbearable when his son's sentence of life in prison was overturned because it was deemed "light" and converted to a death sentence, I wonder how he is coping today?

Lawyers for Rush said his father, Lee, contacted the AFP through a lawyer in early April explaining that he feared his son was travelling to Bali to commit a drug offence.

The application alleges Lee Rush then received assurances from the AFP that they would tell his son he was under surveillance to dissuade him from going through with the crime.

Scott Rush's lawyers said he was never contacted.

Bali 9 Timeline

The heroin filled balloons are from my above link

a reply to: 4moola

Well one act is being committed by the GOVERNMENT and the other is being committed by criminals. Who should we hold to a higher standard?

Everyone please read this before continuing:

From: www.smh.com.au...

Three excuses for the Bali nine death penalty - and why they're all sickeningly wrong

"I'm not in favour of the death penalty, but, you know, I can see why people think they deserve it." So goes the hypocritical sentiment echoing across Australia when conversation turns to Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

Somehow it has become fashionable to believe that these two young men, aged 31 and 33, deserve their fate, with a dubious poll even apparently showing the majority of people support their impending murder. All grist to the mill for pundits who have come out to call for their deaths.

When it happens, bullets will rip through their flesh, slashing their blood vessels and causing massive haemorrhages. If they are lucky, it will be quick, this process of bleeding to death.

But perhaps the bullets will miss their vital organs and it will be slow, and painful.

We kill animals this way, too, by letting them bleed out. But at least we give cows the reprieve of stunning them first.

Yet for Chan and Sukumaran, some are willing to throw all morality and good sense on the bonfire of tabloid bloodlust, and replace it with half-thought arguments and self-satisfied justifications.

They tend to go along three lines:

Indonesia has a "right" to enforce its own laws.

Well, yes, it does, but that doesn't mean we should support those laws.

If a law is unjust, why would we agree with its enforcement, particularly when it involves the death penalty?

When women are sentenced to be stoned to death overseas you don't hear people saying "well, she knew that was the law when she had sex, and that country has a right to enforce its laws".

No, we say it's an immoral act - and we applaud people who fight against it. We are shocked by how much the punishment exceeds the "crime", and we are sickened by the brutality of a state that thinks it has the right to take a life, to torture. The vast public outpouring for Australian journalist Peter Greste, convicted for the laughable crime of "spreading false news", shows just how willing we are to reject another country's unjust laws.

Secondly, they say "they were drug dealers, and drugs kill people, too".

Well, I didn't realise we were reverting back to the days of eye-for-an-eye punishments - a concept first introduced in Babylonian times - but if we have, let's not be inconsistent about it.

How about introducing the death penalty for drunk drivers, or tobacco industry executives?

After all, in the latter case we have numerous people who knew, for decades, their product was deadly for one in two of the people who use it (making it even more deadly than heroin).

Some companies profited for years while they hid evidence, lied to the public and influenced governments, and now are continuing their deadly behaviour in developing countries.

Of course, it would be barbaric to see the chief executives of these companies taken to an island off the coast somewhere and shot.

But for some reason we don't think the same thing about Chan and Sukumaran, who have been personally responsible for zero deaths.

Finally, the third argument goes, "Chan and Sukumaran knew what they were getting into, so why should we care about them?"

One former newspaper editor even argued it was wrong for people to be focusing on Chan and Sukumaran when there are so many innocents awaiting the death penalty everywhere. But it's not unusual for Australians - and our media - to care more about what's happening to other Australians abroad, no matter what the issue.

But drug importers are easy targets to criticise in columns. They don't seem like us, these young Australian men, and what they did seems unimaginably stupid. It's easy to make harsh judgements about a decision we would never have made ourselves - even easier to take the moral high ground from a drug-dealer. (All the while conveniently ignoring the fact that there were other people who knew what they were doing, too, namely the Australian Federal Police who let them go to their deaths.)

Perhaps all this is just a way of safely living out our most primitive revenge fantasies?

After all, this way we get to keep our moral high ground about capital punishment, insisting that we are still not in favour of it. But we can't help it if those brutal Indonesians like giving out cruel punishments, so out of "respect" to their culture we'll support them. Well, how about instead we respect them by treating them as our moral equals, who are just as capable of rejecting the death penalty as us?

We should never support the death penalty, which is not a deterrent and only serves to allow governments to enforce a most brutal, unjust, irrational "justice" - generally against those who have the least resources and ability to defend themselves.

When Chan and Sukumaran die I will feel for them. I will think of their grieving families, of their brutal, bloody deaths and just the sickening waste of it all. And I hope those Australians safely on their moral high-ground will pause for just a moment, and think about just what it is they have been advocating for.

a reply to: Kryties


So what do you want us to do about it?

Should I as an outsider have the right to go into your country and try to make them change their laws to suit me?

Get over it and don't visit their country problem solved.

originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Kryties


So what do you want us to do about it?

Should I as an outsider have the right to go into your country and try to make them change their laws to suit me?

Get over it and don't visit their country problem solved.

Cut aid, for one. We gave them many millions of dollars when they got nailed by that tsunami - plus all the aid we give them on an annual basis, our Government is currently thinking that money should now go to Nepal and other countries instead.

Also, much of Indonesia's economy relies on tourism - particularly from Australia. A boycott by the Australian public of going to Bali will have a great impact, and I personally know many people who said they will boycott Bali if the executions happen. Bali happens to be one of the places most Aussies go at least once in their lives - methinks that's going to change now.

Trust me mate, this isn't being taken lightly down here by people who matter.

originally posted by: Kryties
Gotta love the barbaric thinking people starring each others posts btw, real classy. Keep salivating at the thought of someone dying why don't you, I'm off to bed.

I just now read this thread and all your posts. It's always nice to see someone with a heart fighting the darkness in this sick world. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

And to all the rest of you (except maybe one or two): You all need to do some serious soul-searching. Your comments are typical of people projecting their own fallacies on others. They also show your complete disrespect for human life. The Australians were rehabilitated and said they deserved life in prison. Why is that not enough for you? Why do you want blood? The drug smugglers didn't want blood, they wanted money. That makes you worse than them.

soulwaxer

a reply to: soulwaxer

Thankyou so much for your ray of light in opposition to the dark and barbaric discussion. It is heartening to know that not everyone in this thread wants to see humanity regress back to the Dark Ages.



P.S. I really am off to bed now, I couldn't stop watching the news coverage

a reply to: Kryties
Good night mate!

soulwaxer

a reply to: Kryties

Trust me mate, this isn't being taken lightly down here by people who matter.

Well according to the article you posted a few posts above, the Australian Police Federation knew what they were doing and where they were going.

Maybe Australia needs to sort it's own backyard out first?

a reply to: Kryties

Does the thought of people getting executed excite people that much?

Nailed it . Ghouls .