Bali nine duo executed by firing squad

Sorry I am over this #, and it is, because I have buried 2 got another 2 hooked on sh$t , families torn apart like you wouldn't believe, death threats the whole shootn match, I got no remorse for these 2, sorry but these farkers aren't saints, deal with the other end of their decisions first hand, bury loved ones and you will feel like me , trust me .

Wal

originally posted by: sn0rch

originally posted by: Kapusta

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: Kapusta
a reply to: Kryties

Not saying I support the execution butt...

Think of the lives that could have been lost or ruined if the Heroin they were trying to smuggle got through?

It might be hard for you to fathem but until you have lost a love one to this drug ,maybe then you would understand.

Umm, you really think those addicts will stop taking heroin just because one shipment was stopped and one of millions of drug dealers caught?

Seriously?

Poor argument mate.

Let me ask you a question would you feel differently if these guys gave heroin to your loved one and killed him/her ?


How many crimes would you say have been committed because drugs played a roll?
How many people have died because of drugs?

Where is your remorse for these people?

You make the bed you lay in "mate" these guys getting caught might have very well saved lives and stopped crime .

Absolutely all due to prohibition.

Overdose? Crime?

So, make it illegal then justify it because people break the law... circular idiocy.

How about if it was the guy at the local bar being executed. how many people have died from alcohol overdose? How many crimes are committed by drunks.

Nah, thats legal huh. Go drink another brewski and enjoy a smoooooth camel cigarette while you're at it.

Those things have never killed people.

I don't drink or do drugs or smoke ...


you don't have to preach to me I am fully aware of the angers of Abused Substances .

a reply to: hutch622

And Indonesia was doing Australia a favor by making sure these death dealers won't be trying to sell dope to your children.

So has Abbott threatened to "SHIRTFRONT" the Indonesian President yet? Maybe an Uppercut or a Mega Suplex?

Nothing he is doing or saying is helpful, I don't agree with the death penalty, but shut up Tony it's the Australian Federal Police you need to speak to.

a reply to: thesaneone

Arizona , a death penalty state . I don't support the death penalty anywhere .

At least 39 executions are claimed to have been carried out in the U.S. in the face of evidence of innocence or serious doubt about guilt.[6]

Not saying that these 2 were innocent , they weren't .

originally posted by: James1970
Tony it's the Australian Federal Police you need to speak to.

Yes, I am sure he spoken to them and congratulated them on a job well done.

a reply to: Kryties

Stay with your convictions , i know how it is , i authored the timeline thread and have found the blood-lust of some people to be appalling . Nothing will change with these deaths , nothing . The death penalty is not a deterrent , never was never will be . This was deliberately announced on ANZAC day and is more about Indonesia's dislike of Australia than about drugs . Oh and widodo gets to keep power a little longer .

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: Kryties

Stay with your convictions , i know how it is , i authored the timeline thread and have found the blood-lust of some people to be appalling . Nothing will change with these deaths , nothing . The death penalty is not a deterrent , never was never will be . This was deliberately announced on ANZAC day and is more about Indonesia's dislike of Australia than about drugs . Oh and widodo gets to keep power a little longer .

I read your post, starred it, read it again and wanted to star it twice.

You have it right on the mark. It was about thumbing their nose at us.

If they truely cared about drugs, their own country would not be a haven for drug use. It was asked of them to not announce it on Anzac day and they raspberried us.

Only people with a cursory glance and a heartless attitude are arguing for this as just.

Makes me sad. I thought we, as humanity, had moved beyond things like this. Seems we are still living amongst spectators who'd cheer the poor souls thrust into the gladiators pit, complete with lions to feed on them.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: James1970
Tony it's the Australian Federal Police you need to speak to.

Yes, I am sure he spoken to them and congratulated them on a job well done.

You are either an inane troll or highly dense.

They will not be congratulated. They will be looked at with discern.

From now on, any family who fear their relatives are engaging in any such activity will NOT cooperate with the AFP. Quite the contrary.

And if rehabilitation is not the reason for prisons, as Kryties has stated, why not just shoot everyone?

I'm sure you are a saint however. So far be it for me to say you will be immune from ever having a relative convicted of a crime, to see death as the only way out. 10 years, 50 years.. nah, good riddance hey.

You're a good despot.

originally posted by: Nyiah
My memory's fuzzy at the details, but this group was a group of drug smugglers, correct?

Why do people applaud the executions of cartel members, deaths of dealers, but these smugglers were hailed as some kind of heroic group just because they were "only planning" to smuggle? They broke the law in a foreign country & paid for it big-time.

As fuzzy as your memory may be, there was much more to this case, much, much more than many people are aware.

Firstly, the double standards of the Indonesian government. Demanding the release of Indonesian death row inmates in several other countries, while showing no mercy to foreign prisoners in their own jails.

Then there's the very public demand for a bribe to save the lives of these two at the onset of their trial. The failure of the families of the two men to acquire the amount that the judge was asking, earned them the death sentence.

And last but not least, the Indonesian president with a smoking gun in one hand and the other hand stretched out waiting for another 2.4billion in aid money, threatening "dire consequences", if the Australian government cuts their aid off in the wake of these executions.

Indonesia is a dirty, corrupt, barbaric little grotto. They publicly and openly disrespect Australia and Australians and yet welcome the money we give them in aid.

The point so many people make that these two men were drug smugglers is a moot point to most Australians. What this is all about is a power trip by a very resentful little cess pool of a country, trying to bully their larger, wealthier neighbour out of pure jealousy, but at the same time calling on that neighbour to continue to presenting them with "financial offerings" before spitting in our faces.

Also might mention that Indonesian fishing boats have been plundering Australian waters relentlessly recently... I'm not talking about territorial waters, I'm talking about coastal waters. There have been threats and warnings to the Australian government "not to interfere", with Indonesian fishing fleets or refugee flotillas. Inside or outside Australian waters.

The last time one of these fishing boats was captured and the crew jailed, the Indo government went ballistic. It has been years since the last Indo fishing fleets were sent on their way or arrested and had their boats confiscated. The main and logical reason for this "even though there has never been a cease or lull in the number of poaching fleets in our waters", is because of the threats.

They are a nasty, corrupt little nation of bigots with an inferiority complex.

a reply to: Kryties

My biggest problem with this whole scenario is this ...

Leaving humans to contemplate their deaths for 10 years - yes - 10 YEARS is tantamount to torture.

I do not have a problem with sovereign nations having strict laws.
I do have a problem with the human rights issue that comes with the circus that this has become.

The Indonesians have had a problem with Australians for years ( think East Timor - human rights issues again ).

They have used this as a political retribution.

I am glad we have pulled the amdassador however this is not enough.

In the coming days and weeks Australia need to grow a pair and stop sucking up to PC expectations.

We need to call it as it is - tit for tat - mates or not ??

You are happy to accept our aid ( crikey knows where that ends up ! ) ... talk turkey with us !!

Time to call it as it is, you have the death penalty? Fine !

Make it that an execution must be within 2 years of finding of guilt. Expedite the legal process to reflect this .

Thoughts to the families ...

I am advising my 18 yr old Son to stay the hell away !

Barbarian corrupt turds !!!

originally posted by: sn0rch
They will not be congratulated. They will be looked at with discern.

Wrong again, they AFP did nothing at all wrong, as the Federal Court stated. If the same thing happened today they would act the same.

From now on, any family who fear their relatives are engaging in any such activity will NOT cooperate with the AFP.

Scott Rush's father did not even bother to tell his son the AFP knew about his drug smuggling, so it is his fault. The AFP did their job and protected Australia from drug smugglers.

So stop trolling here.

originally posted by: Timely
Leaving humans to contemplate their deaths for 10 years - yes - 10 YEARS is tantamount to torture.

That was due to the drug dealers lying for years, and constantly appealing. If they had been executed sooner the bleeding hearts would have had a meltdown. There was also a moratorium on executions of drug dealers 2008-2013.

Barbarian corrupt turds !!!

Yes, drug dealers are certainly that!

a reply to: hellobruce

Hey if the were organised tours to Cilacap in time for the next round of executions i think you might book . Just imagine , the sound of the gunshots . Some real get your pants wet ghoul porn right there .

I am surprised at the level of arrogance displayed by some of my fellow Australians when it comes to the topic of wishing another country's laws and social norms confirm to their own desires when we are visiting there as guests. Would these Australians tolerate a situation where a sovereign country tried to dictate the laws and social norms of Australia when one of their citizens got caught doing a crime in Australia? I highly doubt it...

Do I agree with the death penalty? No. Do I think the Indonesian justice system is ideal? Far from it. Do I think the deaths of these two men will prevent all future drug smuggling? Of course not. But it may act as a deterrent for those even contemplating the idea. Therefore, to say it will not act as a major deterrent just because it will not deter ALL instances is false.

People need to realise that Indonesia is a sovereign nation with its own laws and social norms. If you intend on visiting, then you are obligated to abide by these laws and social norms. Just as I would expect those visiting Australia to abide by our laws and social norms. It's a rather simple concept to understand.

Those calling for boycotts or military action against Indonesia due to these executions are demented.

originally posted by: Dark Ghost
People need to realise that Indonesia is a sovereign nation with its own laws and social norms. If you intend on visiting, then you are obligated to abide by these laws and social norms.

You really do not expect bogans to understand that, do you?

originally posted by: BobaFettish

originally posted by: Nyiah
My memory's fuzzy at the details, but this group was a group of drug smugglers, correct?

Why do people applaud the executions of cartel members, deaths of dealers, but these smugglers were hailed as some kind of heroic group just because they were "only planning" to smuggle? They broke the law in a foreign country & paid for it big-time.

As fuzzy as your memory may be, there was much more to this case, much, much more than many people are aware.

Firstly, the double standards of the Indonesian government. Demanding the release of Indonesian death row inmates in several other countries, while showing no mercy to foreign prisoners in their own jails.

Then there's the very public demand for a bribe to save the lives of these two at the onset of their trial. The failure of the families of the two men to acquire the amount that the judge was asking, earned them the death sentence.

And last but not least, the Indonesian president with a smoking gun in one hand and the other hand stretched out waiting for another 2.4billion in aid money, threatening "dire consequences", if the Australian government cuts their aid off in the wake of these executions.

Indonesia is a dirty, corrupt, barbaric little grotto. They publicly and openly disrespect Australia and Australians and yet welcome the money we give them in aid.

The point so many people make that these two men were drug smugglers is a moot point to most Australians. What this is all about is a power trip by a very resentful little cess pool of a country, trying to bully their larger, wealthier neighbour out of pure jealousy, but at the same time calling on that neighbour to continue to presenting them with "financial offerings" before spitting in our faces.

Also might mention that Indonesian fishing boats have been plundering Australian waters relentlessly recently... I'm not talking about territorial waters, I'm talking about coastal waters. There have been threats and warnings to the Australian government "not to interfere", with Indonesian fishing fleets or refugee flotillas. Inside or outside Australian waters.

The last time one of these fishing boats was captured and the crew jailed, the Indo government went ballistic. It has been years since the last Indo fishing fleets were sent on their way or arrested and had their boats confiscated. The main and logical reason for this "even though there has never been a cease or lull in the number of poaching fleets in our waters", is because of the threats.

They are a nasty, corrupt little nation of bigots with an inferiority complex.

Pretty much nailed it on the head Bobafettish, great post!

I'm sick of the millions of dollars in foreign aid we annually give to the Indonesians. As many have suggested, give this years allocated funds to assist the people of Nepal! Bob Carr has already put his two cents in with a warning against the federal government scaling back foreign aid to Indonesia, a move which he fears could lead to schools instead being built by Saudi Arabia, teaching a more extreme version of Islam. They are already teaching an extreme version of islam Bob!

Corruption? " Millions of dollars in foreign donations which flowed into Aceh after the Boxing Day tsunami a decade ago disappeared into the pockets of the province's new political elite despite a broadly successful and corruption-free reconstruction process.

Some money also went to build projects that are now empty, unused and decaying.

On the 10th anniversary of the gigantic wave which killed 167,000 people, and after $US7.7 billion in foreign reconstruction funds has been spent, Aceh is still one of the poorest provinces in Indonesia. Now the local government is planning to sell off its own forest reserve — the last place where orangutans, rhinos, elephants and tigers still live together — to make ends meet."

www.smh.com.au...

a reply to: Jubilee
Both of you need to report facts, not Chanel ten news hey. 2.4 billion in aid , pfttttt it's 600 mill , Islamic extremists, you do know the indonesian government shot dead lots of them , Indonesians plundering our fish stocks, yep did happen , but not in the last ten years . Please report facts not fiction , we need Indo just like they need us, and if you have travelled through their country 99% of the are beautiful people just like any other nation! you always get the #

Wal

a reply to: hellobruce

Surely even such a staunch authority cheerleader; can see the inhumanity in the fact that these two have rehabilitated - AFTER 10 YEARS helping their fellow man...presumably the goal of incarcerations eveywhere.

Only to be killed once that repayment to society was being met, you know - putting back ...

You need a soul to understand I guess ...?