BREAKING: Iran Forces Seize US Cargo Ship With 34 People On Board

originally posted by: Crumbles
a reply to: crazyewok

From the British soldier I can only assume UK. I'm not even going to lay out your countries track record. Time in history is an illusion when throwing insults.

And I am against UK involvement in the ME too.

Just because the UK has done #ty things does not give the US a blank check to do #ty things too.

a reply to: crazyewok

Still being hypocritical. Like saying the blank check the UK cashed all over the world. Prior to the rise of the United States. We switched roles if you will. Like I said time is an illusion. Just because we are living in the now, doesn't change what happened in the past.

originally posted by: Crumbles
a reply to: crazyewok

Still being hypocritical. Like saying the blank check the UK cashed all over the world. Prior to the rise of the United States. We switched roles if you will. Like I said time is an illusion. Just because we are living in the now, doesn't change what happened in the past.

OK. Canadian says the US gov't is out of control. Better?

originally posted by: Crumbles


Still being hypocritical. Like saying the blank check the UK cashed all over the world. Prior to the rise of the United States. We switched roles if you will. Like I said time is an illusion.

So you justification for war in Iran is Britain started wars so we should?

originally posted by: Crumbles
Just because we are living in the now, doesn't change what happened in the past.

But neither of us are responsible for what happened in the past.

a reply to: crazyewok

I justify intervention to the defence of a civilian cargo #.

Weird. It appears this also just happened last Friday:

Washington (CNN)A U.S.-flagged ship was recently intercepted by an Iran Revolutionary Guard naval patrol, the U.S. Navy revealed to CNN Tuesday.

The incident occurred on Friday when four Iranian naval vessels surrounded the U.S.-flagged Maersk Kensington in the Strait of Hormuz.

The episode came ahead of an encounter Tuesday in which Iran Revolutionary Guard patrol boats fired shots at a commercial cargo ship and then intercepted the vessel, the Marshall Islands-flagged M/V Maersk Tigris, which was also crossing the Strait of Hormuz.

FULL Article:
www.cnn.com...

a reply to: intrepid

Canadians are in the middle east as well. If only the word of the civilian mattered. War would be a thing of the past. Besides people who rape and murder for religion. I don't see an end to religious wars in the future. In the ME.

Hear comes Gulf of Tonkin 2.0

Route and site of detention for the vessel.

source

International waters (green) spot of interception (red)


Well, sure it hasn't late for the zionist mob came up to stir US hatred for Iranians.

Also, arrogance from few US "citizens" boiled fast, giving all the credit to the (fake) self proclaimed "mighty" defenders of righteousness.

Don't hope to be on Popcorns and sodas when a WW breaks out... there will be no winners...you know..just losers this time.

We need 10 more haman10 here at ATS to fight back against Iran bashing and lies. Don't you doubt, that, between the pollution and garbage thrown here, there will be some of us, that want to listen to other side.

Keep on Haman10, you sure have the attention around here, use it wisely. If you were not important the "hater's" would ignore you.
Welcome aboard by the way.

a reply to: Crumbles

Is this the right time to point out that quite a few Americans are descended from the British of that period? We stopped, they carried on......

To accuse the British of past history when some of your own ancestors were part of that history is a bit hypocritical IMO.


Have we established the origins of the ship yet? I have flicked through pages and posts and can't find a clear answer....

originally posted by: woogleuk
a reply to: Crumbles

Is this the right time to point out that quite a few Americans are descended from the British of that period? We stopped, they carried on......

To accuse the British of past history when some of your own ancestors were part of that history is a bit hypocritical IMO.


Have we established the origins of the ship yet? I have flicked through pages and posts and can't find a clear answer....

This is true, I believe we should certainly wait until the fact are in to start a campaign, but situations like this really do make you question the philosophical debate over pre-emptive war, and its pros and cons. It begs the question if you have an enemy who you know will eventually attack you do you attack first gaining several strategic elements? Or not? I know on a personal level if I felt an attack was imminent I would confront first, and I wouldn't care if people doubted the person was going to attack me or if it's was considered in bad taste. I don't shy from confrontation. But regardless , we must gather the facts first.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
Ummm.....yeah. This could be very bad. I am anxious to see how the US is going to respond to this.

Probably verbally raise hell and secretly pay them a few billion to release the ship and crew... Has anyone else read that Iran got several billion as a signing bonus for the supposedly nuclear deal ? No link.... I think I heard that on the radio...just wondering if it might be true or if anyone else heard the same thing ?

Humm Iran's ships had to return to port and not resupply the guys Saudi is bombing in Yemen.. No problem call ISIS and and sure enough here they come Jihad and all..

The USA will stand by Saudi because of the petrol dollar or until a better deal or tyrant comes along.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe
What would make this REALLY interesting is if the cargo was nuclear.....

Or opium, I think that would kind of put a little wee crimp in the US drug war ;-)

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: intrptr

It Isn't A US naval ship,but a private ran cargo ship from Marshall Island that owes Iran money fee's for going into Iran's waterway, over and over again.

They do this sometimes with our jets also. They ground them and go through them with a fine comb, all to assert some kinda dominance which makes them feel powerful. I'm guessing this is another show like that since we have been disrupting their gun running operation to the Mullahs / Houtis or whoever else they supply. The problem is they are getting away with it because they know the man with the finger on the trigger of the U.S. Military is weak. They may even know his ideology is so twisted they can spin him anyway they feel. They probably laugh at how much they are #ing us & how stupid we are to put our matters into the hand of a clown. Either way we deserve what we get. We believe gay marriage is more important on a national level then our countries security & economy. I believe anyone should be able to marry who they please. That said, without a strong country we may be going by Iran's rules one day. A day where you would have to hide in a hole if your gay and hope they don't catch you & drag you through town square for public whippings. Our priorities are backwards, we know more about reality tv than we do our own laws, and we are way to spoiled. We may need to feel some pain in order to remember just why this country and it's laws were created. We may need a total breakdown to be built back up in spirit & sense.

Under the laws of the seas and Admiralty law they may hold the ship and the captian.

But the rest of the crew are Neutral parties and must be released.
Traditionally, only a ship’s captain is arrested for a violation because he is ultimately responsible.
Since none of the crew are US citizens
Throwing everyone aboard behind bars in prison cells is an outrage that many of the countries of the crew will not take lightly.

Throwing the crew in prison amounts to taking hostages.

But then again Iran is well known for breaking international laws like taking US embassy personal protected under diplomatic immunity and holding them hostage for 444 days.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Referring to Tuesday's incident, Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren said it was "inappropriate" for the Iranians to fire the warning shots.

The U.S. Navy has dispatched one maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft to observe and monitor the situation, Warren told reporters.

Despite reports in some media, there are no Americans on board, according to a U.S. official.

According to the shipping company, which is in contact with the U.S. military, on Tuesday evening the vessel was being escorted towards Bandar Abbas on the coast of Iran by Iranian patrol boats. The Pentagon thinks about 30 individuals are on board.

The bold part is the part I like, it calls to plausible deniability. Seen it before in the field when a few ops went a little too "deep" and were captured. They were cut loose, no support, no affiliation, full deniability. I hope there really aren't any americans on board, but, that depends on the cargo. It could be 31 of the CIA's finest and a janitor.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Act of War.

Time to bomb.

Im sorry to all you good Americans out there......

But you really have some warmongering aggressive dumb arses amongst you...

Sorry but you earned this "award"

No, the Iranian's earned it by capturing 34 Americans and thereby committing an act of war on the high seas.

You are just totally clueless aren't you? Boarding a ship that has crossed into your territorial waters is not an act of war. The idiot controlling the ship could have started a war because the Iranians could have just as easily called it an invasion.

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: IAMTAT

Referring to Tuesday's incident, Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren said it was "inappropriate" for the Iranians to fire the warning shots.

The U.S. Navy has dispatched one maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft to observe and monitor the situation, Warren told reporters.

Despite reports in some media, there are no Americans on board, according to a U.S. official.

According to the shipping company, which is in contact with the U.S. military, on Tuesday evening the vessel was being escorted towards Bandar Abbas on the coast of Iran by Iranian patrol boats. The Pentagon thinks about 30 individuals are on board.

The bold part is the part I like, it calls to plausible deniability. Seen it before in the field when a few ops went a little too "deep" and were captured. They were cut loose, no support, no affiliation, full deniability. I hope there really aren't any americans on board, but, that depends on the cargo. It could be 31 of the CIA's finest and a janitor.

Cheers - Dave

smelled that way to me too, and prayers going out.

There needs to be a better way to vet news stories.

First: the ship is not a "US cargo ship" as claimed, it's a Marshall Islands-flagged ship.

The MV Maersk Tigris, a 65,000-ton container ship, was flying a Marshall Islands flag and operated by Rickmers Shipmanagement, a Singaporean company. The ship departed from the Saudi Arabian port of Jeddah and was bound for the United Arab Emirates.

Second, it had no US personnel on board. From the Jerusalem Post (which has no love for Iran):

Pentagon: No US citizens aboard Marshall Islands-flagged cargo ship at which Iran fired shots.

Thirdly, Iran did not fire on the ship, it shot over the ship. The US Coast Guard will do the same thing to any ships that stray into our territorial waters. To repeat, MV Maersk Tigris did not receive any gunfire from Iran.

That's three things wrong in the OP and post headline.