Disclosure of the Moon Landing Hoax: Part 2

a reply to: dragonridr

Aah so that wasn't invented by the Soviets on the Mir station either then

Thanks for the info - didn't know that

originally posted by: choos
sibrel was trespassing.. most Americans would give death threats to trespassers all the time, some wont even give a fair warning..


Sibrel lied his way into private property, Sibrel tries to spread lies. Sibrel had been asked to leave private property but refuses.

Sibrel was invited into Mitchell's home.

Sibrel was a guest, then.

Sibrel was later asked to leave the property, by Mitchell.

Sibrel left the property, as Mitchell requested.


You think Sibrel refused to leave the property, and that's why he is a trespasser, right?

Show me where Sibrel refuses to leave....

They argue awhile, when Sibrel and his cameraman are gathering up their equipment, just before leaving the property.

What else?

originally posted by: choos
and yes he is angry about something.. he is angry at some guy calling one of his greatest personal achievement a complete lie.. all his hard work and effort, and some uneducated guy who needs to lie to make his money off of someone elses work, wants to stamp on all of it..

You seem to think the Apollo astronauts cannot be disputed, or questioned, on their greatest personal achievements.
Years of hard work and effort, to reach their goals! It made them very angry because someone dared to try and question them, and their greatest personal achievements, with nothing but lies! All in hopes of making money off those lies, of course! Who wouldn't be ticked off, right?

Wrong.

originally posted by: choos
you obviously dont understand the pride that these test pilots have.

A lack of pride, you mean...

The test pilots would have been very proud of their accomplishments, and so they should be.

They know what they did, and take pride in their achievements.

If it took great effort to achieve it, they are often prouder of the achievement.

And if most of the world knows you did it, there may be many other benefits.

Here is the main point-----

There are going to be people who dispute it. They claim you are lying, about your achievements.

You have great pride in those achievements, of course.

What is your reaction to someone who thinks you didn't do it, and are lying about doing it??


Anger?

It's not going to make you angry. Your 'pride' is not affected, or hurt, by any of his claims, either.

originally posted by: turbonium1
Sibrel was invited into Mitchell's home.

After lying about why he wanted to be there.

Sibrel was a guest, then.

Only because he lied.

Sibrel was later asked to leave the property, by Mitchell.

Sibrel left the property, as Mitchell requested.

No - it took several requests for him to leave, during which time Mitchell made it clear he wasn't welcome and that the interview was over. Despite this, convicted violent criminal Sibrel carried on trying to get usable footage for his dishonest film.

You think Sibrel refused to leave the property, and that's why he is a trespasser, right?

He did not leave imediately. He was there under false pretenses. He was trespassing the second he gained access by lying.

Show me where Sibrel refuses to leave....

They argue awhile, when Sibrel and his cameraman are gathering up their equipment, just before leaving the property.

What else?

Precisely that.

As soon as he was asked to leave, he was obliged to do so.

I had someone do the same on my property the other week - they took their time trying to make a point, and had my grandson not been present I would have kicked him off with my large, heavily booted feet.

originally posted by: choos

You seem to think the Apollo astronauts cannot be disputed, or questioned, on their greatest personal achievements.
Years of hard work and effort, to reach their goals! It made them very angry because someone dared to try and question them, and their greatest personal achievements, with nothing but lies! All in hopes of making money off those lies, of course! Who wouldn't be ticked off, right?

Wrong.

You're opinion of how they behaved is proof of nothing. If someone stalked me, lied to me, invaded my home and called me a liar, I would be very angry indeed. My anger would be righteous, thorough, and would result in the emergency services being called. Hurray for you if you have different standards.

A lack of pride, you mean...

The test pilots would have been very proud of their accomplishments, and so they should be.

They know what they did, and take pride in their achievements.

If it took great effort to achieve it, they are often prouder of the achievement.

And if most of the world knows you did it, there may be many other benefits.

They are very proud, that's why being stalked by a lying criminal thug who invades their homes makes them angry.

Here is the main point----

There are going to be people who dispute it. They claim you are lying, about your achievements.

You have great pride in those achievements, of course.

What is your reaction to someone who thinks you didn't do it, and are lying about doing it??


Anger?

It's not going to make you angry. Your 'pride' is not affected, or hurt, by any of his claims, either.

Your opinion of how they behaved is irrelevant. It does not prove they did not go to the moon, only that you have decided how someone should behave and they did something different. This strawman proves nothing.

In the unlikely event that you ever achieve something worthwhile, I look forward to someone calling you a liar in your own home, so that I can see just how pleased you are about it.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: choos

You don't stay in my house if I ask you to leave or if you do be leaving with the coroner to the morgue.

Mitchell's death threat was made when Sibrel had already left his house, on the way to his vehicle. You know this very well.

So your argument is just nonsense.

originally posted by: onebigmonkey

Your opinion of how they behaved is irrelevant. It does not prove they did not go to the moon, only that you have decided how someone should behave and they did something different. This strawman proves nothing.

In the unlikely event that you ever achieve something worthwhile, I look forward to someone calling you a liar in your own home, so that I can see just how pleased you are about it.

Let's say you are falsely accused of lying, just like these Apollo astronauts supposedly were lied to...

How do you know you were falsely accused? Because you would already know that what you said was not a lie...

You would immediately ask your accuser to show proof that you have lied, or demand that he retract his false accusation, with a sincere apology.

Something like that, anyway...yes?


You wouldn't refuse to look at the evidence. You know it cannot be legit, right? Hiding from it would make no sense, then.

And, that's just what the Apollo guys did...

Do you see the big problem, now?

The reaction of Apollo astronauts is not iron-clad proof of a hoax, nor claimed as such, but it certainly helps support the case for a hoax.

They act guilty as hell. They either refuse to look at the hoax evidence being presented, or say absolutely nothing about it.

They just become angry, they swear at him, threaten to sue him if he shows the film, threaten to kill him, and so on.

Such great heroes, you have!

a reply to: turbonium1

threaten to kill him

I know it's pointless asking, but where does an astronaut threaten to kill anyone?

a reply to: turbonium1

Your strawman is entirely based on your imaginary reactions.

It proves nothing, particularly when a number of the astronauts actually did humour convicted thug and proven liar Bart Sibrel and swear on the bible.

Do you have any evidence that Apollo didn't happen, or are you going to rely on your lofty moral standards as proof that some people don't react in the same way you claim you would under circumstances that you have clearly never experienced?

originally posted by: turbonium1
Such great heroes, you have!

They're human, just like everyone else, and can often act and react just as other humans do.

Except they landed on the Moon.

originally posted by: turbonium1

Sibrel was invited into Mitchell's home.

Sibrel was a guest, then.

under false pretenses.. if burglars posed as police officers and a homeowner let them in when they asked and showed their badges, if that man took them to court do you think the burglars would be able to say "oh we were invited in"

Sibrel was later asked to leave the property, by Mitchell.

Sibrel left the property, as Mitchell requested.

if he left as requested the first time, it wouldnt have escalated. but Sibrel chose to bait some more.

You think Sibrel refused to leave the property, and that's why he is a trespasser, right?

Show me where Sibrel refuses to leave....

They argue awhile, when Sibrel and his cameraman are gathering up their equipment, just before leaving the property.

What else?

he was refusing, how many times should it take to ask someone to leave private property?? usually when you ask someone to leave and they do so, asking once is enough..

You seem to think the Apollo astronauts cannot be disputed, or questioned, on their greatest personal achievements.
Years of hard work and effort, to reach their goals! It made them very angry because someone dared to try and question them, and their greatest personal achievements, with nothing but lies! All in hopes of making money off those lies, of course! Who wouldn't be ticked off, right?

Wrong.

they can be disputed and question but dont be surprised if you get an angry response.

what it looks like is you are belittling their achievements.. purely because you cannot comprehend what they have achieved so much so that you feel the need to belittle their achievements down to your level.

A lack of pride, you mean...

in your case probably.. seems you dont quite understand male pride..

There are going to be people who dispute it. They claim you are lying, about your achievements.

You have great pride in those achievements, of course.

most of those people are looking for a reaction, most of those people are people who are jealous..

What is your reaction to someone who thinks you didn't do it, and are lying about doing it??
Anger?

honestly, yes.

anger would be my first emotion, how i show it depends on the situation..

im definitely not going to be happy letting some jealous kid belittle my greatest achievements which i worked my ass off for.

It's not going to make you angry. Your 'pride' is not affected, or hurt, by any of his claims, either.

pride is hurt, i would be extremely proud of my achievements if i worked my ass off to attain and achieve a significant goal such as walking on the moon.

to have some jealous kid who doesnt understand basic physics try and belittle my achievements, my emotions would be anger.. but like i said above, depending on the situation the reaction to that anger would differ.

ive asked you many times already, what is your single greatest achievement in your life??

Is It Possible To Go Above Low Earth Orbit? We Have Been Lied To.

74.027 Views 1076 in favor, 206 against.

Nasa fairytales believers will get a hard time....;-)

originally posted by: webstra
74.027 Views 1076 in favor, 206 against.

Nasa fairytales believers will get a hard time....;-)

I certainly hope that going by votes for and against a youtube video isn't your primary method of vetting information!

originally posted by: webstra

Is It Possible To Go Above Low Earth Orbit? We Have Been Lied To.

74.027 Views 1076 in favor, 206 against.

Nasa fairytales believers will get a hard time....;-)

have you even watched the video?? the guy is doubting geo-stationary orbit satellites because he think the inner and outer belts including the third one are all pure plasma at over several thousand degrees..

he also doubts radio-waves can get through these "plasma fields" meaning he doubts every single satellite beyond LEO..

thats your 1026 people in favour???

originally posted by: webstra

Is It Possible To Go Above Low Earth Orbit? We Have Been Lied To.

74.027 Views 1076 in favor, 206 against.

Nasa fairytales believers will get a hard time....;-)

So 1076 people who watched that don't think there are such things as communication satellites?
I wonder how people get their DirecTV and their Sirius Radio?

webstra -- going by your post, it seems that maybe you subscribe to the idea in this video that there is no such thing as geostationary satellites. If so, could you please explain in detail how the "Geostationary Satellite Hoax" has been done for so many years?

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

i expecially like how he uses scientific data gained from space craft operating above low earth orbit to " prove " that nothing can go above low earth orbit - priceless

originally posted by: turbonium1

You wouldn't refuse to look at the evidence. You know it cannot be legit, right? Hiding from it would make no sense, then.

why is the accuser wasting his time with "evidence" that the astronaut knows is not legit??

you said so yourself, he knows the accuser is trying to present lies as facts.. the astronaut knows first hand that anything he says about the moon landing being false is a complete and utter fabrication by some uneducated troll..

so he is going to refuse looking at the "evidence" since there is no such thing..

lets say you took a plane for a holiday in Europe.. you know you went, but along comes 50 random people (people you dont know) who say that you are a liar since planes cant fly (thats their belief) .. now think that those 50 people truly believe what they are saying and persistently call you a liar for the next 40 years trying their best to prove that you never flew to europe.

eventually you are going to get annoyed by it and when that happens.. they will use your anger as proof you never went because reasons.

a reply to: webstra

Crow77 is a moron who does not understand a single word that he has read, and if he is your best argument that I would go home, lock yourself in your tinfoil basement and never come out again.

originally posted by: webstra

Is It Possible To Go Above Low Earth Orbit? We Have Been Lied To.

74.027 Views 1076 in favor, 206 against.

Nasa fairytales believers will get a hard time....;-)

So you've proven that at least 1078 people (work it out genius) are retards... Err.. congratulations??

Why is anyone still arguing with the hoax believers anyway? It's like kicking a brain damaged puppy, have some decency for god's sake.

when all else fails just have a contest ...

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