Racism in the Bible

a reply to: windword

That's a fantastic example of what I'm talking about.

The world has put up with this bigotry being "religion" for 2000 years. Now it is starting to tire from the same old mantras of hate and persecution. Christians on this website and throughout the country wonder why many non-Christians go on and on about their religion. This is why. The religion not only promotes bigotry, it out right tells them to do it. If Christians want to remain relevant in the coming decades, they should strip these passages from the bible. They have only led to pain and suffering.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

If we consider Christianity to be a race then Christians are probably the most racist organisation in recorded history especially so regarding ancient history.

In the end if you really study the bible you realize we are all God's chosen people all religions, all races and ethnicities. Since we are all homo erectus afro-asiatic or the original Man children of Adam. The bible proves this in many ways. YHWH is not merciful in the old testament but there's more aspects to god than just YHWH aka the male right brained thought process. And Jesus didn't like canaanites because they are pretty much the ones creating all the world's problems he still helped her in the end. Cananiites aren't just a race they are a mentality.

The bible was also purposely distorted to create this seperation among the chosen people.

You either believe that the Holy Bible is the word of God, or you don't. If it's the word of God then you must believe the entire thing. If you don't believe the entire thing, then you must admit that you do not believe it is the word of God.

Christianity is strictly an exclusive religion. Some people get saved, everyone else goes to Hell. Modern day political correctness does not get factored in, and never will. The depravity of liberalism is only growing stronger in this country and increasingly more Christians are being faced with a choice: accept your God and the beliefs he taught you in the Holy Bible, or be taken to court, have your business ruined, be sued, or be thrown in jail, and be scorned by all the lost and depraved around you. This is a real wheat from the chaff moment, because a lot of people who call themselves Christian today don't actually believe in the whole Bible and are willing to lay aside what we are taught in the scriptures if it means they can be accepted in this world. These "Christians" will be left behind during the rapture because we are not of this world, and have been chosen out of it. Our reward is to be with the Lord in the next world, not to be accepted in this one.

God made a covenant with Abraham stating that he would bless him and all of his descendants. That's why the Jews are his chosen people. I suppose for liberals this must make God a racist, however God is perfect and our modern notions of political correctness are not. While the gentiles may not be blessed through God's everlasting covenant with Abraham, we are saved through Jesus Christ. Before his crucifixion he was only trying to preach salvation to the Jews - but they rejected him. After his crucifixion and resurrection he brought the word and the promise of salvation to the gentiles. This act of grace - a blessing we do not deserve but is only given to us by compassion - is the reason gentiles can be granted salvation and eternal life in his kingdom.

In fact, Matthew 15:22-28 as you quoted is proof of that compassion. The gentile woman had no part of Abraham's covenant but because she humbled herself Jesus had compassion for her and healed her daughter anyway. And I think that brings us to the crux of the issue - if you believe that God did wrong when he destroyed sinners in the Bible, you are not humble. As sinners we all have misconceptions about what is right and wrong. Only God knows exactly what is right and wrong, and is able to make perfect judgments. A true believer must humble themselves and accept that only God is perfect.

A few verses to leave you with:

John 15:19 "If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."

Matthew 22:14 "For many are called, but few chosen"

Daniel 12:2 "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth, shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and perpetual contempt."

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm confused it "is" or it "was"?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Krazysh0t

The God of the Hebrews also used other groups of peoples to punish His people as well .Following the narrative He was more judgmental and stricter will all of the laws .We sometimes forget that there were many more laws then the 10 commandments in the Bible .

One could argue that is Stockholm Syndrome. The Hebrews were subjected to racism as well (we are after all talking about a time when such things were common place) and likely believed the racist claims of their conquerors and oppressors because they clearly were being oppressed.

Here, we are presented with a clear indication that the ancient Israelites could have recognized incoming racism and used that as a model to prevent having racism of their own. Instead, they wallow in it and learn nothing from it.

And here we have an example of you using your own modern perceptions to attempt to judge a very different time.

Do you also call Mohammad a pedophile?

a reply to: peskyhumans

What about the Muslims that are hated too they are hated way more than Christians are. Are they saved too?

a reply to: christophoros

The Canaanites were making all the world's problems? How does that work exactly?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm confused it "is" or it "was"?

It still IS, because the bible hasn't changed. All those passages I quoted still appear in any bible you pick up.

a reply to: christophoros

No you are only saved through Jesus Christ.

a reply to: ketsuko

Do you also call Mohammad a pedophile?

Did "God" rape the Virgin Mary?

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Krazysh0t

The God of the Hebrews also used other groups of peoples to punish His people as well .Following the narrative He was more judgmental and stricter will all of the laws .We sometimes forget that there were many more laws then the 10 commandments in the Bible .

One could argue that is Stockholm Syndrome. The Hebrews were subjected to racism as well (we are after all talking about a time when such things were common place) and likely believed the racist claims of their conquerors and oppressors because they clearly were being oppressed.

Here, we are presented with a clear indication that the ancient Israelites could have recognized incoming racism and used that as a model to prevent having racism of their own. Instead, they wallow in it and learn nothing from it.

And here we have an example of you using your own modern perceptions to attempt to judge a very different time.

Do you also call Mohammad a pedophile?

Look. I admitted in the OP that you are more than apt to call the people's actions in the bible a product of their times. I am trying to argue that bigoted actions exist in the Bible, we should recognize them for what they are, and either remove them or teach that these quotes aren't apt for our times. Stop letting Christians justify their hate because your religious forefathers did the same.

I'm an agnostic. Christians don't like listening to me, but if other Christians were to point these things out, maybe ya'll could reinvigorate membership to your religion outside of brainwashing 3rd world countries with missionaries.

a reply to: peskyhumans

So, in other words, you condone all the bigotry in the Bible then? Ya'll are just trying to stay the course despite all these heaven "liberals" preaching tolerance and acceptance of all people regardless of actions, beliefs, and appearance.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm confused it "is" or it "was"?

It still IS, because the bible hasn't changed. All those passages I quoted still appear in any bible you pick up.

Oh, so your argument went from the Bible being used to support arguments in favor of racism to the Bible is just racist.

Funny since God created mankind.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Krazysh0t

The God of the Hebrews also used other groups of peoples to punish His people as well .Following the narrative He was more judgmental and stricter will all of the laws .We sometimes forget that there were many more laws then the 10 commandments in the Bible .

One could argue that is Stockholm Syndrome. The Hebrews were subjected to racism as well (we are after all talking about a time when such things were common place) and likely believed the racist claims of their conquerors and oppressors because they clearly were being oppressed.

Here, we are presented with a clear indication that the ancient Israelites could have recognized incoming racism and used that as a model to prevent having racism of their own. Instead, they wallow in it and learn nothing from it.

And here we have an example of you using your own modern perceptions to attempt to judge a very different time.

Do you also call Mohammad a pedophile?

Look. I admitted in the OP that you are more than apt to call the people's actions in the bible a product of their times. I am trying to argue that bigoted actions exist in the Bible, we should recognize them for what they are, and either remove them or teach that these quotes aren't apt for our times. Stop letting Christians justify their hate because your religious forefathers did the same.

I'm an agnostic. Christians don't like listening to me, but if other Christians were to point these things out, maybe ya'll could reinvigorate membership to your religion outside of brainwashing 3rd world countries with missionaries.

Ah, so when God says marriage is between a man and woman and then Christ echoes that teaching - they're bigoted?

Sorry, God is a higher teacher than you are.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm confused it "is" or it "was"?

It still IS, because the bible hasn't changed. All those passages I quoted still appear in any bible you pick up.

Oh, so your argument went from the Bible being used to support arguments in favor of racism to the Bible is just racist.

Funny since God created mankind.

According to the bible, yes, God did create mankind. That is why I find racist passages in the Bible to be rather strange.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The bible is very socialistic and very much about unselfishness and doing good for ALL. The canaanites are sons of Ham who saw his father noah naked and did nothing to help him. He just quips about it to his other brothers who unselfishly help their father. He just thought of himself and did not empathize with his father. Canaanites were also some of the richest merchants in the old world driven my mammon(money) and no good comes from Mammon. They are essentially alegorized as self driven egoistic and lovers of money and trade. That's why the chosen people couldn't marry them even tho canaanites themselves are also chosen they just have a curse on them. If you look today most of our problems come from this kind of mentality.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: Krazysh0t

The God of the Hebrews also used other groups of peoples to punish His people as well .Following the narrative He was more judgmental and stricter will all of the laws .We sometimes forget that there were many more laws then the 10 commandments in the Bible .

One could argue that is Stockholm Syndrome. The Hebrews were subjected to racism as well (we are after all talking about a time when such things were common place) and likely believed the racist claims of their conquerors and oppressors because they clearly were being oppressed.

Here, we are presented with a clear indication that the ancient Israelites could have recognized incoming racism and used that as a model to prevent having racism of their own. Instead, they wallow in it and learn nothing from it.

And here we have an example of you using your own modern perceptions to attempt to judge a very different time.

Do you also call Mohammad a pedophile?

Look. I admitted in the OP that you are more than apt to call the people's actions in the bible a product of their times. I am trying to argue that bigoted actions exist in the Bible, we should recognize them for what they are, and either remove them or teach that these quotes aren't apt for our times. Stop letting Christians justify their hate because your religious forefathers did the same.

I'm an agnostic. Christians don't like listening to me, but if other Christians were to point these things out, maybe ya'll could reinvigorate membership to your religion outside of brainwashing 3rd world countries with missionaries.

Ah, so when God says marriage is between a man and woman and then Christ echoes that teaching - they're bigoted?

Sorry, God is a higher teacher than you are.

So, if God made all humans, then why did He make it so that some men are attracted to men and some women are attracted to women? Then He makes it a sin to act on those urges. Then for the final cherry on top, they aren't allowed to start a family together. Meanwhile, the rest of the population has free reign on their urges, provided they marry first (something which has been restricted to the other people)

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The passages you speak of are perversions of the word you must really study the book for the clues. It's funny when Christians say the bible is the infallible word of god but the bible itself admits it will be distorted to further Satan's cause. You must learn to decipher the clues are there.