UFOs Confront Soldiers During War, Says Ex-Air Force Intelligence Officer

a reply to: Scdfa

I'm not sure what jadestar wants from me.

What does she want me to do?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that she probably wants you to stop acting like a butt.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Scdfa

I'm not sure what jadestar wants from me.

What does she want me to do?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that she probably wants you to stop acting like a butt.

Promise you're going to go out on a limb? Make it a tall tree.

Alright then, I'm going to read backwards now and see how we got to this point.....

2nd

Someone saw something somewhere. Case closed.

originally posted by: JourneymanWelder

originally posted by: GoShredAK
Eta: after reading some posts I realize I should add, not only on a perfectly clear day, also, sober as a bird.

birds are not always as sober as they appear. maybe you were tripping balls.

I wasn't, it was like a hallucination though. A freaking giant egg floating off into the horizon. Yeah you would think I was frying, but I was absolutely clear headed, there was another witness as well.

originally posted by: Scdfa

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Scdfa

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
Does the name Wernher Van Braun ring a bell?

At the height of WW2, there were reports of foo fighters after Braun developed the V2, and after he was poached by the US, there were reports of UFO's. coincidence?

Those pilots in 'nam didn't know of OXCART or the USAF's equivalent model, just like the SS had no knowledge of the V2 or like the Iraqis had no knowledge of the Nighthawk. I believe that most of these UFO's were just advanced aircraft, and I can also understand why soldiers or pilots would be spooked-they were kept in the dark for a reason.

Yes, most likely just coincidence. You have to remember that flying saucers were widely seen as early as the 1920s here in the US

In fact some of the best photo evidence for flying saucers comes from the 1920s, because it was easier to determine the veracity of a photograph.

Your source for this?

My source? What do you want jade, a website?

Do you have a problem with the authenticity of flying disc photographs from the 1920s?

Or do you just have a problem with the reality of alien contact? I mean, it's clear you go to elaborate lengths to deny any evidence that advances that conclusion.

Why should anyone listen to anything you say?

Over and over you state that aliens and UFOs are real, and never once have you provided one iota of evidence. Just the other day you said;

And finally, no, I never said aliens are here because I know they're here. You're being sloppy with your accusations.

I pulled out at least 5 examples of you stating exactly this.

You have no credibility here at all, and yet you continue to blindly argue with people who provide evidence to back their claims. Why should anybody believe anything you say, you are simply text on a page?

There's a word, starting with 'T', for people who behave like this in online forums.

a reply to: Scdfa

Yes, Jadestar's my favorite member at ATS. Clearly fascinated in the whole UFO/extraterrestrial phenomenon, yet always remains skeptical & rational about it. She's always prepared to challenge people that make claims without any evidence to back it up with intelligent skepticism. Gotta love that, it really seems to get under the skin of the blind (faith based) believers, lol.

Anyway man........... Why not make a thread about your claimed abduction? I'm kind of in the mood for a good alien abduction story. You'll probably have plenty of critics (me being one of them), but also probably plenty of supporters. I'll even hook you up with a flag, before I tear your fanciful story apart.

Peace

originally posted by: Scdfa
What does she want me to do?

Be willing to at least consider the possibility that you may be mistaken?

I am willing to consider the possibility that everything you said is true. And if the evidence were ever to rise to the point where it was unassailable then I'd say, "Scdfa, you were right all along, the Earth is crawling with aliens."

Can you honestly say you could do the same and consider that your personal experience may not be what it seems? That perhaps there is another explanation for why you believe what you believe?

Could you see yourself honestly one day saying, "Jade, you were right all along. The aliens have not landed, my abduction experience was not what I thought it was after all."????

She knows full well that I was one of those abducted by aliens. Since 1966. I did not ask for it. I did not want it. Sometimes I resisted as best I could.

I never had the luxury of choosing to "believe" or not believe in aliens. The choice was made for me.

Jadestar doesn't believe me, and she sure refuses to take my situation seriously, much the way society used to treat other victims of assault, not all that long ago.

Woah, wait. I never said I didn't believe that you believed something. I said I do not believe the cause of what you feel happened to you is the result of extraterrestrials in flying saucers.

So here she berates me for not being more open minded? And more skeptical? About what?

You seem to buy every single UFO tale without even a hint of skepticism and often get upset when the more rationally minded bring up problems with one tale or another.

I don't berate you for what you believe. I do however question why you are so adamant that anyone who did not share in your highly personal experience somehow just take your word for it happening exactly as you say when you've never so much as provided one ounce of evidence outside your own story.

Does she want me to seriously consider her position, which is that aliens are not here, and have never abducted people?

Bingo.

In science we often take the opposite position of that which we believe, have a hunch or intuition about because it keeps us in check.

This is routinely done so that we don't bias our results so even though I might -want- that anomalous signal to be ET, I'm going to investigate the hell out of it to rule out every more down to Earth possibility first.

Does she want me to conclude that I was never really abducted?

I do want you to get help for what was obviously a traumatic experience. Whether it involved beings from lightyears away or people from down the street shouldn't matter in this regard. You've clearly been disturbed by it and I would urge you to seek the help of someone who might have an alternate view of what actually happened to you.

People often create screen memories of traumatic events. Its a way of our psyche protecting itself. As traumatic as your "alien abduction" was perhaps it is slightly more palatable than something more horrific which involved people closer to home.

I'm not saying that's what happened with you but you have to at least be open to that possibility and explore it with the same vigor you indulge alien stories.

Does she want me to stop my efforts to raise awareness of a very real situation?

Do you honestly believe there is anyone who is not aware that some people tell stories of being abducted? I mean didn't like the X-Files and the 4400 pretty much already do what you're trying to do but before an audience of millions?

Sorry if I offended you but the statement above did sound kinda narcissistic.

You see folks,she wants first contact with aliens to belong to her and other astronomers, the only ones really worthy of the honor:

First contact will belong to everyone and probably won't be some silly little secret story of being led off onto a flying saucer.

But first contact most certainly will involve all of humanity.

Astronomers included

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: Scdfa

I'm not sure what jadestar wants from me.

What does she want me to do?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that she probably wants you to stop acting like a butt.

That too.

originally posted by: FlyingFox
Someone saw something somewhere. Case closed.

ikr!!!! HAVE A BEER. On me

originally posted by: cuckooold

originally posted by: Scdfa

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Scdfa

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
Does the name Wernher Van Braun ring a bell?

At the height of WW2, there were reports of foo fighters after Braun developed the V2, and after he was poached by the US, there were reports of UFO's. coincidence?

Those pilots in 'nam didn't know of OXCART or the USAF's equivalent model, just like the SS had no knowledge of the V2 or like the Iraqis had no knowledge of the Nighthawk. I believe that most of these UFO's were just advanced aircraft, and I can also understand why soldiers or pilots would be spooked-they were kept in the dark for a reason.

Yes, most likely just coincidence. You have to remember that flying saucers were widely seen as early as the 1920s here in the US

In fact some of the best photo evidence for flying saucers comes from the 1920s, because it was easier to determine the veracity of a photograph.

Your source for this?

My source? What do you want jade, a website?

Do you have a problem with the authenticity of flying disc photographs from the 1920s?

Or do you just have a problem with the reality of alien contact? I mean, it's clear you go to elaborate lengths to deny any evidence that advances that conclusion.

Why should anyone listen to anything you say?

Over and over you state that aliens and UFOs are real, and never once have you provided one iota of evidence. Just the other day you said;

And finally, no, I never said aliens are here because I know they're here. You're being sloppy with your accusations.

I pulled out at least 5 examples of you stating exactly this.

You have no credibility here at all, and yet you continue to blindly argue with people who provide evidence to back their claims. Why should anybody believe anything you say, you are simply text on a page?

There's a word, starting with 'T', for people who behave like this in online forums.

Please do not lie about my position, or my posts.

Let me repeat, I never said "aliens are here because I know they are here".

Never, Not once. You say you have five examples of that? Show me one.

Until then, my credibility is just fine, Mr. "T".

originally posted by: AlexDJ

I have seen UFO and ET too, and by the way i am avid amateur astronomer (have my own telescope and ccd cams), the two can coexist if people open more their minds. But been on the extrems of the spectrum (UFO nut or Science nut, no middle ground) just make things worse in my experience.

I'd like to talk more with you if you don't mind a U2U?

originally posted by: Scdfa

originally posted by: cuckooold

originally posted by: Scdfa

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Scdfa

originally posted by: Thecakeisalie
Does the name Wernher Van Braun ring a bell?

At the height of WW2, there were reports of foo fighters after Braun developed the V2, and after he was poached by the US, there were reports of UFO's. coincidence?

Those pilots in 'nam didn't know of OXCART or the USAF's equivalent model, just like the SS had no knowledge of the V2 or like the Iraqis had no knowledge of the Nighthawk. I believe that most of these UFO's were just advanced aircraft, and I can also understand why soldiers or pilots would be spooked-they were kept in the dark for a reason.

Yes, most likely just coincidence. You have to remember that flying saucers were widely seen as early as the 1920s here in the US

In fact some of the best photo evidence for flying saucers comes from the 1920s, because it was easier to determine the veracity of a photograph.

Your source for this?

My source? What do you want jade, a website?

Do you have a problem with the authenticity of flying disc photographs from the 1920s?

Or do you just have a problem with the reality of alien contact? I mean, it's clear you go to elaborate lengths to deny any evidence that advances that conclusion.

Why should anyone listen to anything you say?

Over and over you state that aliens and UFOs are real, and never once have you provided one iota of evidence. Just the other day you said;

And finally, no, I never said aliens are here because I know they're here. You're being sloppy with your accusations.

I pulled out at least 5 examples of you stating exactly this.

You have no credibility here at all, and yet you continue to blindly argue with people who provide evidence to back their claims. Why should anybody believe anything you say, you are simply text on a page?

There's a word, starting with 'T', for people who behave like this in online forums.

Please do not lie about my position, or my posts.

Let me repeat, I never said "aliens are here because I know they are here".

Never, Not once. You say you have five examples of that? Show me one.

Until then, my credibility is just fine, Mr. "T".

Here we go...

Credibility?

a reply to: JadeStar

Be willing to at least consider the possibility that you may be mistaken?

I've had fifty years to consider that possibility. More than twice as long as an arrogant, narcissistic undergrad has been alive.

Sorry, but the facts of my past will not change for you. Do you even realize how offensive and rude it is for you to ask me that?

First contact will belong to everyone and probably won't be some silly little secret story of being led off onto a flying saucer.

Guess again. That's pretty much how it goes down.

I would suggest you complain to Betty and Barney Hill, but they're long since dead.

A shame you can't figure out why your version of "first contact" would be absolutely devastating to our society and perhaps the entire world, and why showing themselves to small groups of people at a time, over a long period of time, allows us to keep our culture intact as we slowly acclimate to their presence.

Maybe if you get to grad school.

I have a real problem with the abduction phenomenon but I don't think this is the thread to expound on that. As for the original topic, the ET religion (and that's what it is) can't be discussed rationally with blind believers. Those of you that feel you aren't blind to it I ask what I always ask. Why after decades of different occurrences, that fall in numerous categories, do you have not one piece of TESTABLE evidence laid out on a table for the world?

originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: dr1234

There are mountains of evidence of alien contact.

Not conescending here, but please show me. I have never seen anything that isn't unreliable eyewitness testimony. and UFO =/= extraterrestrial.

originally posted by: Scdfa

Please do not lie about my position, or my posts.

Let me repeat, I never said "aliens are here because I know they are here".

Never, Not once. You say you have five examples of that? Show me one.

Until then, my credibility is just fine, Mr. "T".

Herp derp.....

From this reply to one of my threads.....

originally posted by: Scdfa

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
STARRED AND FLAGGED !

What great read on a weekend.

My first thought was to the reports that greys are not actually the extraterrestrial conscious life forms but a bio-robot created by something else, used in deep space travel (some say are part of the craft itself) to feed back information.

According to secret alien interviews that is

Makes your whole thread moot, but who cares!

Good point zazzafrazz. Yes, this whole thread is moot. You could learn more about the greys on the back of a cereal box than you will from this thread. Jadestar's ?analysis? is so superficial as to ignore almost every physiological and psychological aspect of these beings. Instead, she perfers to guess wildly as to their world, like a little girl guesses what land unicorns come from.

And that's what so many at ATS come here for, to treat the alien situation as if it were a guessing game, endlessly going around and around with speculation. Like the questions of aliens were just a mental exercise to wonder about idly, to attach your own personal notions to an imaginary alien.

I mean face it, people, jadestar here ADMITS she thinks GREYS ARE NOT REAL. For Pete's sake, how seriously can one take her treatment of the issue?

And from this post which got kinda creepy...

originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: JadeStar


Jadestar says: "If I cared I would challenge YOU to get out of your comfort zone and defend the skeptical side of this argument just as I presented some valid scientifically based arguments for the existence of The Greys in this thread but that would take a bit more intellectual fortitude than I feel you are capable of mustering as evidenced by this..."


I'm not sure how much more clearly I can say this, but I will try. Please use that intellectual fortitude you mention to understand what I have to say here:

I'm not guessing whether aliens are here, in the way that you are guessing they are not here. We do not come to this question with the same amount of information. My position that aliens are here is based on first-hand knowledge. Yours is admitted not, correct? Otherwise, you would hold my position. These are simply the different circumstances that we bring to this discussion.

And this is how you missed the entire point of my last post. You treat this issue like it is fiction, to be speculated on endlessly, with no right answer. That is not the situation.

Case in point; In your quote you ask me to step out of my comfort zone and take the skeptic position of this "argument", and debate you. As if serious discussion of the alien situation was just another topic for some collegiate debate society. Then you say I lack the "intellectual fortitude" to do so.

It isn't a matter of intellectual fortitude, it would be intellectually dishonest of me to "step out of my comfort zone" and play pretend with you. Not about a topic this important. Would you ask Paul Revere to "step out of his comfort zone" and argue that the British are not coming? Would you demand Paul Revere prove to you that the British were coming? That could end up costing you a great deal. Costing all of us a great deal, perhaps. The wiser move was to heed his warning, be grateful they did. But today, the lesson seems forgotten.

So too with your treating the alien situation as if it were just "an argument" to be had. It really isn't, and pretending the reality of alien contact is up for debate is a foolhardy use of your intellect, and I know you have a fine intellect.

We need now to move on to the serious questions.

In otherwords, the aliens are here, have "invaded" like the British and we are to "move on to more serious questions" than question that because um....you said so?


(clears throat)...."So what was that you were saying again about your credibility?"

originally posted by: In4ormant
I have a real problem with the abduction phenomenon but I don't think this is the thread to expound on that. As for the original topic, the ET religion (and that's what it is) can't be discussed rationally with blind believers. Those of you that feel you aren't blind to it I ask what I always ask. Why after decades of different occurrences, that fall in numerous categories, do you have not one piece of TESTABLE evidence laid out on a table for the world?

Well, then, maybe you should just tell us what evidence you would like, and suggest how we go about getting it for you?

Should be pretty easy to do, unless the aliens happen to somehow be smarter than people in an internet chatroom. That couldn't be the case, right?

And of course, when you've been abducted by monsters who can read your mind and tell you exactly what to do in order to survive and be returned to your home, your priority should be stealing something from them so you can prove it happened to trolls on the internet.

originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: JadeStar

Be willing to at least consider the possibility that you may be mistaken?

I've had fifty years to consider that possibility. More than twice as long as an arrogant, narcissistic undergrad has been alive.

Since you accused me in my Astrobiological Analysis of "The Greys" thread of "playing the gender card" can I accuse you of playing the "i'm older than you and therefore obviously smarter/wiser" card?

I could ask you how many of those 50 years you spent studying any of the related sciences that have anything to do with the study of subjects like UFOs and Aliens but i digress......

I know why I get under your skin. And I do hope you take up my suggestion to explore alternative explanations for some of that which you attribute to beings from beyond.

A shame you can't figure out why your version of "first contact" would be absolutely devastating to our society and perhaps the entire world, and why showing themselves to small groups of people at a time, over a long period of time, allows us to keep our culture intact as we slowly acclimate to their presence.

Funny, most people around my age wouldn't be phased in the least by news that we received some kind of scientific evidence of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe.

And people my parents age would just think it was cool like Star Trek.


Oh that's right, you're here to warn us like Paul Revere and "raise awareness" of "the alien threat" right? but I'm somehow the narcissist?

LOLs

Maybe if you get to grad school.

Did you?

originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Scdfa

Please do not lie about my position, or my posts.

Let me repeat, I never said "aliens are here because I know they are here".

Never, Not once. You say you have five examples of that? Show me one.

Until then, my credibility is just fine, Mr. "T".

Herp derp.....

From this reply to one of my threads.....

originally posted by: Scdfa

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
STARRED AND FLAGGED !

What great read on a weekend.

My first thought was to the reports that greys are not actually the extraterrestrial conscious life forms but a bio-robot created by something else, used in deep space travel (some say are part of the craft itself) to feed back information.

According to secret alien interviews that is

Makes your whole thread moot, but who cares!

Good point zazzafrazz. Yes, this whole thread is moot. You could learn more about the greys on the back of a cereal box than you will from this thread. Jadestar's ?analysis? is so superficial as to ignore almost every physiological and psychological aspect of these beings. Instead, she perfers to guess wildly as to their world, like a little girl guesses what land unicorns come from.

And that's what so many at ATS come here for, to treat the alien situation as if it were a guessing game, endlessly going around and around with speculation. Like the questions of aliens were just a mental exercise to wonder about idly, to attach your own personal notions to an imaginary alien.

I mean face it, people, jadestar here ADMITS she thinks GREYS ARE NOT REAL. For Pete's sake, how seriously can one take her treatment of the issue?

And from this post which got kinda creepy...

originally posted by: Scdfa
a reply to: JadeStar


Jadestar says: "If I cared I would challenge YOU to get out of your comfort zone and defend the skeptical side of this argument just as I presented some valid scientifically based arguments for the existence of The Greys in this thread but that would take a bit more intellectual fortitude than I feel you are capable of mustering as evidenced by this..."


I'm not sure how much more clearly I can say this, but I will try. Please use that intellectual fortitude you mention to understand what I have to say here:

I'm not guessing whether aliens are here, in the way that you are guessing they are not here. We do not come to this question with the same amount of information. My position that aliens are here is based on first-hand knowledge. Yours is admitted not, correct? Otherwise, you would hold my position. These are simply the different circumstances that we bring to this discussion.

And this is how you missed the entire point of my last post. You treat this issue like it is fiction, to be speculated on endlessly, with no right answer. That is not the situation.

Case in point; In your quote you ask me to step out of my comfort zone and take the skeptic position of this "argument", and debate you. As if serious discussion of the alien situation was just another topic for some collegiate debate society. Then you say I lack the "intellectual fortitude" to do so.

It isn't a matter of intellectual fortitude, it would be intellectually dishonest of me to "step out of my comfort zone" and play pretend with you. Not about a topic this important. Would you ask Paul Revere to "step out of his comfort zone" and argue that the British are not coming? Would you demand Paul Revere prove to you that the British were coming? That could end up costing you a great deal. Costing all of us a great deal, perhaps. The wiser move was to heed his warning, be grateful they did. But today, the lesson seems forgotten.

So too with your treating the alien situation as if it were just "an argument" to be had. It really isn't, and pretending the reality of alien contact is up for debate is a foolhardy use of your intellect, and I know you have a fine intellect.

We need now to move on to the serious questions.

In otherwords, the aliens are here, have "invaded" like the British and we are to "move on to more serious questions" than question that because um....you said so?


(clears throat)...."So what was that you were saying again about your credibility?"

Jadestar, where in ANY of those quotes did I say "aliens are here because I know they are here." ?

Nowhere, jade. I never said it, and you have not provided one quote of me saying that.

So, as you ask, I was saying my credibility is just fine, jade.

Your credibility? Hmm. Not so good.