The Underground Tunnels Connecting Wal-Marts Throughout The South

originally posted by: OpinionatedB

originally posted by: DelMarvel
And voila! Another piece of bullcrappery enters the Conspiracy canon:


www.youtube.com...

Its not about truth anymore... its about hits and popularity and coming up with the craziest ## - to be honest, threads like this one make me wonder why I stick around, truth doesn't seem to matter to people at all anymore, and the sheer idiocy makes me want to walk very far away ...

As soon as conspiracy theories left the fringe and were embraced by the masses it became a breeding ground for fools that followed the trends they were used to into this territory. Those of you who have been conspiracy minded for a long time must notice this. New conspiracy theorists treating this like the other fads they went through. Extremism making camps that we must fall into. Leaders of these camps screaming the loudest and professing memorized formulaic responses to everything. Its processed thought product made to eliminate the last bastion of critical thought.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

For down to earth truth, there is no where for us to go.. we end up with either this # or MSM... not truth or even an attempt at finding it now..anywhere..

Thank you for the link.

Everything tadaman said in that thread is straight on the money.

Not everything is a conspiracy theory. I consider myself open to a lot of potentialities, but there's some leaps people make that never cease to stun me.

WalMart closing stores? Must be to house Sport Model UFOs, while they are being transported.

The thing I have learned from this thread is that an imagination is a terrible thing to waste.

originally posted by: texasgirl

originally posted by: DelMarvel
On top of all the other reasons why this is a completely ridiculous theory: why would they spend hundreds of billions of dollars building secret tunnels and put the entrances at discount stores manned by a revolving contingent of disgruntled part time employees working for peanuts?



I mean, are people ever supposed to go in and out of these tunnels? Do you really think you could keep that secret with the kind of people staffing the typical Walmart? Or is everybody working at Wal-Marts in the south actually a crisis actor?

What is your deal with crisis actors? You've made a couple posts here that have nothing to do with Walmart tunnels. I've read your posts in another thread and you have a grudge against 'crisis actors' being involved in any type of exercise, as well.

1: I haven't posted anything in this thread that was off topic.

2: I don't believe in the "crisis actor" conspiracy theory at all. I was making a joke as indicated by the little smiley face in my post.

a reply to: AllenBishop

I enjoyed your posting in this thread.. and you ARE spot on..

In coal mining country entire mountains were created from what was pulled out of mountains to create the mining tunnels..piles of dirt the size of mountains...

I think if a new mountain showed up here and there in flat lands USA.. ohhh someone would have noticed and asked, hey, where did that new mountain come from?

lol.. yet.. people fall for this, sans evidence the size of mountains.. sad really..

a reply to: OpinionatedB

Thanks. I appreciate that.

That's what blows my mind about some of these wild theories...

...not a shred of evidence. Not even a sliver.

When I saw that there was a claimed link between underground tunnels, and Walmart sites in Georgia, I thought, "Interesting"...

Then, as fate would have it, and not without a sense of humor, I discover that people are claiming that there are subterranean tunnels connected to several projects I've worked on.

I would be the first person to grab a flashlight and go. It would be the urbex adventure of a lifetime. Unfortunately, this "conspiracy", has no traction. The only possible conspiracy I see, is a company potentially running damage-control, as to not spook the shareholders. Either that, or there is a line break in some of the water lines, and the stores had to be shut down to correct massive plumbing problems.

But, where's the fun in that.

Unfortunately, the likelihood of plumbing issues is far higher than $66-million-dollar-per-mile tunneling systems connecting grocery stores.

Maybe I've somehow overlooked it; however, I don't recall reading a single post explaining what, exactly, would be the purpose of such a network of underground tunnels?

On a side note, it also my understanding that the military abandoned any attempts to use super-heated boring machines, as the cost was significantly higher than conventional methods, on the order of magnitudes, and the performance not great enough to justify further development. Regardless, there would still be hot-slag/igneous debris to extract from the tunnels. As the machine would extrude itself through the rock, the cooling, displaced materials would have to go somewhere. It's not like some magical, mechanical, Mary Poppins robo-earthworm burrowing through the ground.

What is the suitability of the bored medium? What happens when an underground aquifer is hit? How is a consistent elevation maintained? What methods are used for determining the bearing of the machine's travel? How was the corridor mapped? Where is the geotechnical study? Etc., etc., etc.

On a side note, if you own property in the United States, you own that property to the center of the earth. Meaning, if you have an illegal, underground super duper top secret tunnel under your property, you would be able to get in on a killer class-action lawsuit against whatever organization, government, business, or individual that placed said illegal tunnel under your private property. You would, also, have every right to collapse said tunnel, block said tunnel, or use said tunnel for your own purposes. Otherwise, whomever installed said tunnel would have to negotiate the terms of an easement for the encroachment on your property. There's probably several dozens of ways the tunnel installers could be sued. This happens with mines; careful practices have to be undertaken to ensure that the company operating the mine does not subterraneanly encroach upon the property, or properties that adjoin it.

Again, I'm just a Surveyor, and not a structural guy, but I can easily shoot holes in the feasibility of a tunneling machine that leaves behind a "glassy sheath" as its supporting mechanism. Through solid rock? Sure. Through anything else? Not so much. It would most likely need to be spirally-lined with concrete, and reinforced. Again, the amount of personnel, resources, equipment, and logistics would be almost unfathomable.

originally posted by: DJW001

What did they do with all the dirt from these tunnels?

They probably dumped it down Mel's hole. ~$heopleNation

originally posted by: PublicOpinion

originally posted by: JRCrowley

originally posted by: PublicOpinion

originally posted by: JRCrowley
The simple answer is usually the correct one, and the most simple answers revolve around money 99% of the time. Follow the money and you'll find your answers.

And that's exactly why I see a high probability for Walmart, beeing just as greedy as Walmart, and thus most def part in every aspect of this. At least if you ask them.

Lots of profit in every inch of one of them tunnels... as long as some Black Budget will come up for this, ya know - national security stuff, there would be no need to think twice about taking cashloads of money for having any part in this. Why should Walmart pay for any infrastructure to build up their emergency supply-chain-services, or whatever hell of a deal may be part of their trade here...

Which coincidentally confirms the rest of your posting as well, doesn't it?

And it's not "one of them tunnels", it's "one of those tunnels".

For God's sake, learn some basic grammar skills.

For God's sake, the sibling of Aleister is just one of em grammar-nazi's!!!
Damnd... that's exactly what chaos does to you when you forget to add some magic...

Just jokin, no offense taken nor intended. I'm no native speaker, sorry in advance for any bad grammar still to come.
So thanks for telling me something I already knew, maybe I can offer some advice to you now as well?

Stick to the frigging topic and start telling me something I didn't know yet.


Cheers!

You're attacking me using ad hominem and you're telling me to stick to the topic? That's rich. Pathetic, but rich.

You're wrong. I've stuck directly to the topic with every single one of my posts on this subject. Look them up for yourself.

If you're too lazy or apathetic to do so, I'll summarize: My argument is that there is no proof whatsoever of these "tunnels" under the Walmarts. NONE. Absolutely zero.

(And no, a YouTube video is not proof, in case you're wondering.)

As far as the Crowley nickname and avatar, it's just that, a nickname and avatar, nothing more. I'm not related to the man, nor do I consider him the be-all and end-all. It's just a nickname. So cut me some slack, Mr. "Public Opinion".

So can you show me proof of these tunnels please? If not, go away.

originally posted by: SheopleNation

originally posted by: DJW001

What did they do with all the dirt from these tunnels?

They probably dumped it down Mel's hole. ~$heopleNation

ROFLCOPTER

I just swallowed a cigarette! Well, played, Sir.

a reply to: AllenBishop

Where Walmart is concerned all I know is what I have heard from people such as suppliers and people such as their truck drivers ect. But Walmart is cheap, point blank.. or so I have heard, and to be honest they would have to be in order to keep their prices so low... I have heard that Walmart is so tight it makes it more difficult to deal with them as a supplier or otherwise..

anyway.. I will just go with logical progression here, they are cheap as they can get away with in most cases from everything you hear..

this means the most likely scenario is they are actually telling the truth.. they attempted to cut corners with a few of their newer stores and used the cheapest plumbing contractor possible on all these stores - and now that they are down the road apiece they just found out that savings was not a real savings after all, and now they are working on picking up the pieces before more problems arise..

that is just using logic, but I bet if anyone could get into their records you would find the same plumbing contractor did all the closed stores..

but then, that doesn't have the same impact that an underground tunnel system style conspiracy theory does.. just playing to the masses and feeding them what they ask for I guess, truth be damned..

but with a modicum of investigative reporting, I bet we could find the truth.. its just not very fun I suppose to do that..

a reply to: OpinionatedB

The most likely situation, usually...is.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a plumbing issue.

Now, for conspiracy theories that ARE worth perusing regarding WalMart...

I recall reading, a while back, about how WM was dodging taxes by selling its own products to itself, from a shell corporation, in order to have lower, on-paper, markups, reducing their tax burden.

I'll see if I can dig it up...

ETA: Found a recent one :

"One major way Walmart and other multinationals skirt tax obligations, ATF explains, is to funnel the money to an overseas location where it can be subject to "a gaping loophole known as ‘deferral.' " The ability to park assets in other countries "gives corporations great incentive to earn profits offshore (or make it look like they are earned offshore)—often by moving jobs overseas."

m.thenation.com...

ETA II: WalMart paying itself inflated rent, to mask revenues, and dodge taxes:
reclaimdemocracy.org...

ETA III: Walmart involved in bribery and money-laundering:
www.rawstory.com...

ETA IV: The biggest tax scam in history:
www.rollingstone.com...

"It goes way beyond inversion. The top names in American business – from Apple to Xerox – have joined in the greatest tax dodge in world history. Using clever accounting games, these corporations have siphoned majestic sums out of the country and into tax-haven shell companies – where the money is untouchable by the IRS.

The numbers are staggering. More than $2 trillion in U.S.-based multinational profits currently sit in offshore accounts, representing, by credible estimates, in excess of $500 billion in unpaid taxes. If that money were deposited in federal coffers tomorrow, it would wipe out the deficit for 2014. And every year that Congress dithers on a crackdown, America is forfeiting an approximate $90 billion in revenue."

a reply to: AllenBishop

Ahh paying rent to themselves...

yeah, I would love to see that sort of thing stopped.. places like walmart get all or most of their products from overseas, and sell here to make bank.. they do provide some jobs, but not like they are providing manufacturing within the US, just another minimum wage job for the most part..

so I think they should not be evading taxes when we are circling the drain economically as a country..

a reply to: OpinionatedB

Indeed. The Walmart economic model is that, in lieu of producing, we have a service-sector Economy.

This boils down to me trading you a haircut for you giving me a mani-pedi. It's an economic principle akin to the ouroboros.

A snake ain't gonna live for long by eating its own tail...

a reply to: AllenBishop

A snake ain't gonna live for long by eating its own tail...

No its not, and its these giant corporations like Walmart that are destroying the country.. all these corporations taking manufacturing jobs out of the United States, that we actually NEED..

I see no problems with the closure of 5 Walmart stores.... happily I would see them all go and replaced with companies who keep all the jobs possible inside this country.. I would rather support another American than to support the citizens of other countries..

I'm weird that way..

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
I see no problems with the closure of 5 Walmart stores....

I am sure the people that lost their jobs with those 5 stores closing agree with you on that.

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
I see no problems with the closure of 5 Walmart stores....

I am sure the people that lost their jobs with those 5 stores closing agree with you on that.

I'm positive they would rather have a manufacturing job making more pay...

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
I'm positive they would rather have a manufacturing job making twice the pay...

Great, go ahead and help them find one of those vs whatever they were making at Walmart.

a reply to: opethPA

Its companies like Walmart who give jobs to people overseas... when we force companies to keep their manufacturing inside this country, we will be better off for it..

we can only force them through boycott. It is sad that most people just don't care about the future.. which would be a better future if we put our collective foot down concerning certain things and did without some for a short period of time...

its a bit of a struggle to get where you want to be, but we cannot survive otherwise.. we certainly cannot survive on jobs that don't even give us enough to eat..

a reply to: OpinionatedB

Whatever i dug most of the underground tunnels connecting ALL Walmart's across the USA. In fact i was so good at it me and my crew were called on a special mission to destroy an asteroid that was heading to earth, you see they launched us with high tech space craft onto the asteroid its self and we had to dig a mile to plant a nuclear bomb and escape before it exploded. But not to worry we achieved the feat and i even ended up with Steven Tyler's daughter. True story

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
Its companies like Walmart who give jobs to people overseas... when we force companies to keep their manufacturing inside this country, we will be better off for it..

Still haven't heard how that helps all the people let go at those 5 stores?
Unless you are saying they are just collateral damage in trying to bring down the evil empire that is Walmart.

a reply to: opethPA

I am not going to support a false economy if I can help it.. its bad for the citizens of this country..

there was a day in this country that a man could support his family.. with the loss of manufacturing those days are practically ended.. it is only through boycott and a refusal to submit to that loss that will bring manufacturing back into this country..

most of those walmart employees are on welfare anyway.. they don't get paid enough to actually support their families..

read this article.. it may help you understand where I am coming from.. we have not had so few manufacturing jobs in this country since before 1941.. did you know that? Yet.. our population has almost tripled since then..

prospect.org...

Oh boy, some people will believe anything. First, the sheer amount of dirt that would be to be removed to bore tunnels that large would be staggering. Unprecedented amounts of excavation would be required. People would notice. Construction workers would talk. Second, if these tunnels were being used in conjunction with military exercises, you'd have soldiers snapping photos and blabbing. It would be too good of a story to not repeat.