Sooner or Later We All Must Completely Surrender to Reality

originally posted by: bb23108
a reply to: vethumanbeing
That's something I can certainly relate to, vhb. Once I realized that the body-mind is always in a condition of dependent relatedness (connectedness), I had (and have) to relax my grip on and as an illusory sense of separation and independence, that the body-mind is patterned to create moment to moment out of fear of annihilation.

Is it the 'OTHER body/minds' out there that we cannot control that cause the/our 'unease' of the fear of annihilation; as a for instance, I understand myself (as best able; MY CONDITION and this is tricky in itself). I can perceive another's intentions directed at me if (good or evil; is it wrong to make a judgment call on another). I can sway doubt and say "trust"; I can rely on natural instincts that influence me into taking action to preserve myself or ignoring a possible threat or opposite experience.

a reply to: vethumanbeing
When we are seeing, feeling, breathing, being in relationship to reality, ultimately as reality itself, we are much more available to the inherent intelligence that reality is. This will determine our action in response to any threat.

It is not a matter of somehow being passive about everything, in order to appear fearless or whatever. Of course, if some huge bear is about to attack my body, my body is going to feel fear and try and escape! That's an appropriate response.

But to always be living internalized, constantly on the lookout for what might kill us, is not an appropriate disposition. Rather, be in our native condition of relatedness, enjoying the inherent pleasure and energy of simply existing in relationship to everything - then the body-mind is much more likely to notice what might ACTUALLY harm it, rather than just continually imagining all sorts of negative destinies.

originally posted by: bb23108
a reply to: vethumanbeing

bb23108: When we are seeing, feeling, breathing, being in relationship to reality, ultimately as reality itself, we are much more available to the inherent intelligence that reality is. This will determine our action in response to any threat.
It is not a matter of somehow being passive about everything, in order to appear fearless or whatever. Of course, if some huge bear is about to attack my body, my body is going to feel fear and try and escape! That's an appropriate response.

I know I am part of the grand playing field; I am just one expression of multitudes with similar circumstances relating to my own beingness/everyone is me and I they but unfortunately each of us are individualized soul/spirits; so have different agendas. These agendas could be Karma blowback; the problem is that most do not understand the connection we all have: as god particles of the same primary being.

bb23108: But to always be living internalized, constantly on the lookout for what might kill us, is not an appropriate disposition. Rather, be in our native condition of relatedness, enjoying the inherent pleasure and energy of simply existing in relationship to everything - then the body-mind is much more likely to notice what might ACTUALLY harm it, rather than just continually imagining all sorts of negative destinies.

I think the internalization (not knowing what our purpose is and no one explaining why we exist) is killing the spirit; by way of distrust in our own creator. I understand what living in the 'now' means (others do not) as it is a knowledge one must gain by oneself and it is not easy because of the many distractions we have (just to live day to day) so the necessary focus or time for this is not available. Those cloistered would have no outside interference; stimulation and be able to contemplate their relationship to a creator more effectively.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
it is not easy because of the many distractions we have (just to live day to day) so the necessary focus or time for this is not available. Those cloistered would have no outside interference; stimulation and be able to contemplate their relationship to a creator more effectively.

Yes, but if such contemplation is one's priority, time can usually be found. And if not, then contemplation of the Divine in one's daily life also is possible, though distractions are much more prevalent.

originally posted by: bb23108

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
it is not easy because of the many distractions we have (just to live day to day) so the necessary focus or time for this is not available. Those cloistered would have no outside interference; stimulation and be able to contemplate their relationship to a creator more effectively.

Yes, but if such contemplation is one's priority, time can usually be found. And if not, then contemplation of the Divine in one's daily life also is possible, though distractions are much more prevalent.

bb; I do have the understanding of this. At times I am not in charge of what is happening; just as NOW; I am speaking to you from another realm (channeling) information. It is glorious and at the same time impossible to explain. I am at one point in a higher existence dropping frequency to speak but human as well attempting communication. Thank you for your attention.

originally posted by: QueenofWeird
I thought the OP meant there's no escaping the events you experience...

Not sure what you mean, but I think I might. No one can really escape the sheer fact that we, as body-minds, are all in a condition of relatedness, regardless of how we might try to feel independent and separate. We, as body-minds, are always dependent and connected to the environment.

Is that what you mean?




NO I thought he meant you have to wake up and smell the coffee eventually. Maybe I misunderstood.

originally posted by: QueenofWeird
NO

I thought he meant you have to wake up and smell the coffee eventually. Maybe I misunderstood.

Well, I did mean that too in the sense that we either wake up and surrender to our actual reality of relatedness, or we do so when we enter the death process.

Does that make sense to you?

a reply to: bb23108

Sorry to butt in ... but it is to help the continence of this thread

Humility and a sense of humbleness is what I have found regarding the bigger picture and our place in it

So I support your view

Well, I did mean that too in the sense that we either wake up and surrender to our actual reality of relatedness and dependence on the environment, or we do so when we enter the death process

originally posted by: artistpoet
Sorry to butt in ...

Always happy to hear from you!

originally posted by: artistpoet
but it is to help the continence of this thread

LOL! I presume you meant "continuance"? So thank you!

Otherwise, I can only say that I am really trying to control myself!

originally posted by: artistpoet
Humility and a sense of humbleness is what I have found regarding the bigger picture and our place in it

Yes, definitely. Reality is so immense and yet that doesn't say it.

Thanks again for your fine contributions!

a reply to: bb23108

LOL! I presume you meant "continuance"? So thank you!

Otherwise, I can only say that I am really trying to control myself!

Oh you gramma nazi ... lol spell check can be a double edged sword

originally posted by: artistpoet
Oh you gramma nazi ... lol spell check can be a double edged sword

Okay, I admit I almost lost it when I read that continence line. I did hurry up and quote it before you could correct it because it was just too funny.

Yes, spell checkers are great! And especially for laughs! I wonder how many relationships have broken up over just bad spell-checkers' suggestions in text messages?

I mean, what if a guy was having trouble with continence, and some gal who was very interested in him having dated a bit, mistakenly texted him saying, "I am all about the continence of our relationship."

Hopefully, he would ask for further elaboration!

a reply to: bb23108

I am sure such misunderstandings do come about

Sometimes humour is a great thing a sort of leveller ... there was I being all serious

Very carefully checking my post now before sending it

PS I will not edit / correct it
It is too funny

originally posted by: artistpoet
Sometimes humour is a great thing a sort of leveller ... there was I being all serious

Heheh, yeah, we should have a philosophy of laughter thread. Plus, that would be easy for all of us to stay on topic. Pretty much any silly thing any of us said would be okay, and if anyone really wandered off-topic they could say they were just kidding.

originally posted by: artistpoet
Very carefully checking my post now before sending it

Oh no! Please no checking - unless it with your spell-checker!

a reply to: bb23108

Oh no! Please no checking - unless it with your spell-checker!

My spell checker is a traitor and makes me look like the fool I am

originally posted by: artistpoet

My spell checker is a traitor and makes me look like the fool I am

LOL!
May we always be fools for God.

originally posted by: bb23108

originally posted by: artistpoet

My spell checker is a traitor and makes me look like the fool I am

LOL!
May we always be fools for God.

And when a truth is finally told IGNORED.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
And when a truth is finally told IGNORED.

Hey that is what is mentioned in your sig.

a reply to: artistpoet

My spell checker is a traitor and makes me look like the fool I am

hehe, your spell checker is the "darker" troll aspect of your consciousness. A separated mind at war with itself -

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: artistpoet

hehe, your spell checker is the "darker" troll aspect of your consciousness. A separated mind at war with itself -

This is true ... There was I all confidently thinking I was expressing myself in perfectly spelling
Appearing more clever than what I am
Then Bang ... Spell Check Troll slaps me down from my pedestal and makes a fool of me

Continence replacing a mispelt Continuance ... Not that I don't understand the difference but yes my spelling sucks at times