Five different stores make sudden announcement, claiming “plumbing” issues

Here's another possible thing to consider. One of the big local issues among the politicians in my area is the political pull of Walmart. We have a real unemployment rate of 40% and 30% of the remaining jobs are provided by Walmart, they are by far the largest employer. They're using this status to demand concession after concession from the town while the town is trying to fight them. Maybe Walmart closed in a few towns just to remind everyone of what happens if they disappear, as a way to convince others to keep them happy?

a reply to: queenofswords

The cities participating in Jade Helm 15 in Texas are: Bastrop/Smithville, Big Spring, Caddo Lake, Caldwell, Christoval, College Station, Dell City, Eldorado, Goliad, Junction, Leakey, Menard, Mountain Home, San Angelo, San Antonio and Victoria.

I know the map doesn't line up in some places, guessing the graphics the government used wasn't spot on.

The things you say are true. I actually didn't take the mentioned cities into count before researching Livingston's demography and economy, only looked at the circle and the units deployed within it. The map (graphic) added to the information about Jade helm 15 has a big circle in Texas, either they were to lazy to pinpoint the mentioned cities or there could be more activity in and around other cities. Livingston is within the circle (the red google tag)

originally posted by: texasgirl

Sure, I can see that happening to a few employees at a time but an ENTIRE store closing in a day? I know you're a Walmart employee so I'm asking if you've ever heard of a Walmart giving a 5 hour notice to its entire staff and closing the whole store in one day? Maybe you can help clear this up for me.

make that ex-employee, since they layed me off with no prior notice or warning (and i was friends with some home office management) after i had worked half of my life for them. just a phone call out of the blue telling me i no longer had a job effective right then.

unfortunately the only store that ever completely closed down anywhere near my district, was relocated to a new facility close by staff and all. they set up the new one, opened it, then closed the old one shipping over merchandise over to the new location as it was needed (that way they lost no business due to it happening). the old location was all but abandoned for a couple years after that. other stores started to use it as a spare parts and shelving supply. i know i was sent over to strip some special equipment to fix ours a couple times (that's Wal-mart for you patch and jury-rig equipment). it was actually rather sad to see it sitting empty with shelves and counters still there empty and in disarray, equipment taken apart and stripped for needed parts as everything was being stripped piece by piece for what other stores needed. none of my management at any store i worked at or helped out at, nor any of my home office management or venders i was friendly with ever mentioned anything about how they went about closing an entire store. so i don't have that information.

however what i do know is that in any case of closing down specialty departments (be they Wal-mart staffed or outside contractor) or businesses leasing space. no one was ever told in my experience until they showed up for work to find out they were given the boot. be it the portrait studio, optical, windshield repair, auto parts counter, shoe department etc. in every case they would come in to work and be told that they were no longer welcome, and they had X amount of time to clear out. and in every case it was a complete surprise to them, and that includes the owners of the operations. i knew many of them well in my locations. not only were they not given notice, but they even broke running contracts. they generally didn't give them any reason for it either. just a "you are gone, don't let the door hit you on the way out" approach, and would not answer questions as to why (and i happened present for a couple of them). no one in the store except for possibly store management (and i strongly suspect in many cases they did not know either) had any idea it was going to happen. even the santa photo people had arranged to do their thing one year, showed up to set it up, and were told (even though there was an agreement to do it), "sorry, but we decided it is not going to happen". i can also understand exactly how they can keep it secret. i once walked in on a meeting where a competitor to a lessee business was talking to a couple home office managers about how Wal-mart could easily do it themselves. pretty much they were going behind the lessee's back to take over his business. i was not only told i could not tell the lessee who happened to be my friend (and they knew he was my friend) about the meeting taking place, but they threatened me with legal action if i should tell him about it.

i also know from personal experience when they layed off my department when they closed it down, they told no one involved and that included my superiors that it was happening. people showed up for work one morning and were told we were closed and to clear out their lockers. i got a phone call informing me since i was off work that day, that they closed my department and to come in and clear out my locker. oh there were possibly a couple warning signs that it was going to happen, but they only became clear after it all happened and the dots were able to be connected together.

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology
a reply to: tanka418

The problem here is that you have absolutely no data which even begins to suggest that Walmart is a part of any governmental operation. Period! All you have is kiddy "Doom Porn"...and poorly conceived at that.

Haha, so it's "Doom porn" when I simply imply that there could be a chance that Walmart are going to a part of the exercise.. I have also made an entire post on page 18 about Walmart's connection to the government and disaster recovery, emergency management, crisis management and so forth. So yeah, your brain works in mysterious ways my friend. Just to ridicule you and your comment some more, Have I been writing anything connected to martial law, slaying of Americans, seizing of weapons, in connection to the Jade Helm 15 exercise? No that's right, nothing, "none, nada, zero" like your pal said.

And btw, I love your and other members tag-teaming in here, it's so cute.

Take care now.

And just what would those probabilities be? One chance in several 10's of billions?

Dude, you have absolutely nothing except your own fantasy. Now, just in case I'm wrong here; produce some sort of compelling evidence...and not that fake map of yours.

The whole association to this governmental operation fell apart at the beginning of this thread, and here you are trying to bolster it...it has nothing,..but, I will await real evidence...however, I'll not be holding my breath!

ETA...by the way; probability would actually suggest that these shut downs are associated with wage increases and Unionization of Walmart stores, but, even that is kind of weak. Though, far more probable than any other at this time.

originally posted by: Char-Lee
a reply to: tigertatzen

Ooo this one fits the bill perfectly

Asteroid hit near Puerto Rico I realize this is based on a

message from God

but I am willing to add it to my list!

“The governments of the world know that a very large asteroid will hit the earth on September 24, 2015, and they have publicly announced it already through the French foreign minister Laurent Fabius on May 13, 2014. They will attempt to nuke this asteroid, which will break it into smaller pieces that will reign down all over the earth causing massive destruction.”
Read more at www.inquisitr.com...

And as if to confirm fears, NASA has announced it is staging a presentation of a “hypothetical asteroid impact scenario” at the 2015 IAA Planetary Defense Conference (PDC) to be held in April. According to NASA, the scenario, which is “completely fictional” but “realistic,” would consider possible responses by the world’s governments to “an steroid discovered on April 13, 2015, the first day of the conference, at magnitude 20.9, declination -39 degrees and heading south.”

Strange indeed. I liked this one as well:

“FEMA is aware of speculation regarding the purchase of materials from around the United States, especially the Atlantic region. There is no specific threat, catalyst or alert behind the purchase of additional supplies.”

so urce
Is it just me again oder wouldn't any "purchase of additional supplies" be kind of odd in the mids of government-spending-issues? Now who was fooled this time? Some bureurocrats signing off any unnessacary expenditure-increase they could lay their hands on, or anybody who would actually be bold enough to believe this kind of official denial?

Wouldn't probability actually suggest as well, that we should see even lesser expediture and thus no additional supply at all? How does this add up, any suggestions?

a reply to: tanka418

Could you now please elaborate further, why you think this map Crowdpsychology posted has to be a fake of some sort?
Did you ever get any chance to catch a glimpse of the official document? Well... here you go:

de.scribd.com...

So... I guess that's the new normal? Some flatout ignorant rudeness in full throttle, whining for "irrefutable evidence" in the first part while spitting out some BS assumptions in the second? Pretty impressive!

a reply to: Crowdpsychology
For the effect of a Walmart closure in a rural place like Livingston, I would use the population of Polk County at around 45,000 people when calculating the effect of the rise in unemployment. Poverty is calculated based on national statistics. In Deep East Texas, you got money if you are close to the national poverty level. A lot of people grow their own groceries on small farms/homesteads and harvest wild game year round. The community can be very close knit especially with all of the trade fairs and crop stands. As far as JH15, there are a lot of guns in these rural areas, mostly unregistered due to trade/barter and family inheritance. The people are distrustful of any outsider and are prone to shoot first ask later.
Not saying it cant or wont be involved. Just saying that is very improbable. Occam's razor.

Just in case you guys haven't viewed any of these vids. Definitely a Walmart tie to the DHS.


This one is old but relevant.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: tanka418

Could you now please elaborate further, why you think this map Crowdpsychology posted has to be a fake of some sort?
Did you ever get any chance to catch a glimpse of the official document? Well... here you go:

de.scribd.com...

So... I guess that's the new normal? Some flatout ignorant rudeness in full throttle, whining for "irrefutable evidence" in the first part while spitting out some BS assumptions in the second? Pretty impressive!

First things first; thank you...that is the first real document linked here that I've seen.

second; overreact much? You veiled hostility isn't necessary...the only reason I ask for something concrete is because what I had seen was clearly someone's attempt at fabricating evidence. What you have shown is the source of some of that, and, more importantly, a real document that explains much.

Next...CONNECT WALMART to all this...that connection still does not exist.

Now...this is NOT a new norm around ATS; ATS has always been about the real evidence. I was not rude, as you are...there was no whining ...and
you sure as hell had better have compelling evidence otherwise all YOU are is a baseless liar. Now, could you please get off your "high horse" and actually do some REAL work...I guess I have too much science in me...I can not accept some thing on someone's poorly constructed word. Thus I require real evidence...(you know; if you say someone is dead...I'd like to see the body).

Expecting people to accept something on your word alone is not reasonable, nor s it logical.

a reply to: s1ngular1ty

Sorry man...those videos have NO FOUNDATION...sow something real please.

In another thread about Walmart Underground Tunnels someone mentioned sinkholes showing up in the areas close or behind several Walmarts. (She posted many articles and a photo about such cases) Could this be an explanation as to why these 5 stores closed unexpectedly? And giving the excuse of 'plumbing problems' could be the reason the stores will be closed for 6 months (or not at all, if it's so close as to swallow a Walmart) Could they be really concerned there's some of problem underneath the stores that they're tearing up the tiles (as one poster mentioned) to see what's underneath?

The Jade Helm explanation IS looking less and less likely, as someone pointed out the exercises taking place do not include any of these cities where the Walmarts closed. (But who knows? Maybe they decided to add these cities later on.)

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: tanka418

Could you now please elaborate further, why you think this map Crowdpsychology posted has to be a fake of some sort?
Did you ever get any chance to catch a glimpse of the official document? Well... here you go:

de.scribd.com...

So... I guess that's the new normal? Some flatout ignorant rudeness in full throttle, whining for "irrefutable evidence" in the first part while spitting out some BS assumptions in the second? Pretty impressive!

First things first; thank you...that is the first real document linked here that I've seen.

second; overreact much? You veiled hostility isn't necessary...the only reason I ask for something concrete is because what I had seen was clearly someone's attempt at fabricating evidence. What you have shown is the source of some of that, and, more importantly, a real document that explains much.

Next...CONNECT WALMART to all this...that connection still does not exist.

Now...this is NOT a new norm around ATS; ATS has always been about the real evidence. I was not rude, as you are...there was no whining ...and
you sure as hell had better have compelling evidence otherwise all YOU are is a baseless liar. Now, could you please get off your "high horse" and actually do some REAL work...I guess I have too much science in me...I can not accept some thing on someone's poorly constructed word. Thus I require real evidence...(you know; if you say someone is dead...I'd like to see the body).

Expecting people to accept something on your word alone is not reasonable, nor s it logical.

You are welcome! Thanks for beeing honest with me and don't get me wrong, please.
It's just somehow boring to read any kind of assumption regarding fakes without any proof at all.

That beeing said, you are absolutely spot on. I won't believe anything on your word alone as well, that's for sure.

originally posted by: texasgirl
In another thread about Walmart Underground Tunnels someone mentioned sinkholes showing up in the areas close or behind several Walmarts. (She posted many articles and a photo about such cases) Could this be an explanation as to why these 5 stores closed unexpectedly? And giving the excuse of 'plumbing problems' could be the reason the stores will be closed for 6 months (or not at all, if it's so close as to swallow a Walmart) Could they be really concerned there's some of problem underneath the stores that they're tearing up the tiles (as one poster mentioned) to see what's underneath?

The Jade Helm explanation IS looking less and less likely, as someone pointed out the exercises taking place do not include any of these cities where the Walmarts closed. (But who knows? Maybe they decided to add these cities later on.)

Then why are they hiding whatever is in the store at this point? Someone put this on the JH Georgia guidestones thread.

a reply to: Char-Lee


Yeah, I saw that video in the other thread. It is definitely interesting. Maybe they're blocking it off so no one can see them pulling up the tiles in the area they think a sinkhole might be forming? Maybe there's a tunnel underneath that they don't want others to see. I really don't know.

I'd love to know what's going on!

ETA: The black covering over the store windows is not uncommon. I've been through many store closings as a retail manager and we either paint the windows black or use black covering. This is so customers can't see how messy the store gets when dismantling fixtures and boxing up merchandise. Also, the fixtures at Walmart will be dismantled if the store is closing, although I can't explain the police and guard presence in the video. (Just wanted to add this)

Walmart = mart-law?
Has anyone pointed this out? It seems they get off on putting clues under our noses, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if something fishy is afoot.

Or maybe it is the other way around with the super-wealthy corporations controlling the politicians with bribes, blackmail and death threats? How else can corporations get away with the terrible things they do to humans, animals and the environment without the government makes laws to cover them or looking the other way, or talking and talking about something for years on end but doing nothing?

Sal

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Crowdpsychology

A color blind one trick pony........That is a new one.....A little mean and misplaced but descriptive none the less. I agree this could be many things.


Personally I think something fishy is going on but what it is.......???????. Walmart,Google,Microsoft,Yahoo,All the news media,Monsanto...ETC. These companies can not be trusted and are government controlled to some degree.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
You are welcome! Thanks for beeing honest with me and don't get me wrong, please.
It's just somehow boring to read any kind of assumption regarding fakes without any proof at all.

That beeing said, you are absolutely spot on. I won't believe anything on your word alone as well, that's for sure.

Yet, IF you take a look at the image I mentioned, you will see that it is in fact a very poor attempt at using Photoshop... and then the "mis-alignments" are blamed on Government. When in reality the Government image from which the questionable image was derived has no "mis-alignments"...although I suppose the use of the term "fake" was not quite appropriate. However, it is still an attempt to place a "wrapper" around reality, this can only create obfuscation, and thus false data.

a reply to: s1ngular1ty

Always nice and handy to watch a video, so thanks for sharing. But personally I’m both skeptical towards youtube videos and their genuineness and second I preferred reading info from first-point sources.

The things I mentioned in my post at page 18, includes all the factors behind the public-private partnerships, which includes connections between Walmart’s Emergency Management Department and the Department of Homeland Security. There are a lot of parties involved within this relationship, some of them are; FEMA, IAEM, NSA, FBI, more mentioned below)

Like one of your videos stated, Walmart is conducting surveillance on citizens for DHS (+NSA, FBI etc), but they are far from the only one. Other "superstores” like Target are also involved, as well as; stadiums, arenas, art centers, convention centers, theme parks, fairgrounds, casinos, airports, shopping malls etc. These locations are all connected to the surveillance and risk assessment regarding domestic terrorists. All these locations have some sort of screening process and megapixel/high-definition camera surveillance which utilizes facial recognition, object tracking, detection of abandoned objects among other things.

Information sharing between the private and public sector is key, and all the surveillance and gathered information is connected to DHS's Homeland Infrastructure Threat Risk Analysis Center (HITRAC) Information is also shared with local law enforcement and emergency responders through the Buffer Zone Protection Program (BZPP)

It doesn’t stop at screenings and camera surveillance, Walmart as well as the other SCC (Sector Coordinating Councils) members with partnership ties to government agencies are based on a key initiative from DHS’s Critical Infrastructure Partnership Advisory Council (CIPAC) including SAR (System Activity Reporter) tools in their systems. This system allows facility owners and operators to act as a information-sharing force by providing a platform for SAR to the National Infrastructure Coordinating Center (NICC) NICC maintains ongoing operational and situational awareness of the US’s Critical infrastructure and key resources (CIKR) sectors. As a CIKR-focused element of the Network Operations Center (NOC), the NICC provides a centralized mechanism for information sharing and coordination among the government, SCCs, GCCs, ISACs, and other industry partners.

One of the business-aspects of the SAR tool is to correlate user complaints and build a performance baseline for trending purposes using logs. SAR is a good tool for systems administrators to analyze system performance metrics at periodic intervals. But this tool which is one of the key implementing goals of the DHS can do a lot more than alert the company when one of the servers, or in-store computers are down. It’s basically programmed to sift through layers of data to identify concealed terrorist links based on suspicious activities and shopping patterns. The system analyses both costumers, employees and suppliers and is triggered by suspicious activity and keywords.

Does it stop there? No, unfortunately not. Another growing approach to monitor ”potential terrorists” are the use of RFID chips. This chip enables wireless use of electromagnetic fields to transfer data, for the purposes of automatically identifying and tracking objects. Antennas/readers are all over cities and the reading-distance of some of these are above 100m. RFID chips is a vital part of Walmart’s streamlining operation and the company uses them to increase the responsiveness of their logistic network.
But this feature is also connected to the SAR system, so when you buy a product from stores with this feature, either with credit card or cash in combination with a Walmart card, the purchase gets logged in the persons/members log in the SAR system.

The creepy thing about the current advances in RFID technology is that the chip itself is today pretty much invisible if you don’t know exactly where it is located in the product. Hitachi has developed a chip that is 0,05x0,05mm, and it’s refereed to as ”smart-dust” If Walmart were to include this in their streamlining operation every citizen who buys every-day carrying items at this company could be tracked via their object/purchase.



We know what the surveillance system connected to SAR can do, we also know that Walmart has been spying on both employees through private emails within their internal network as well as suppliers using the back-room system. If this have been on recommendation from agencies or backed by a business strategy, is not clear. But one thing is sure, the enormous intelligence hype with information gathering and mapping of individual and group behavior is getting pretty insane and absurd.

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www.dhs.gov...
www.scl.gatech.edu...
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originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
You are welcome! Thanks for beeing honest with me and don't get me wrong, please.
It's just somehow boring to read any kind of assumption regarding fakes without any proof at all.

That beeing said, you are absolutely spot on. I won't believe anything on your word alone as well, that's for sure.

Yet, IF you take a look at the image I mentioned, you will see that it is in fact a very poor attempt at using Photoshop... and then the "mis-alignments" are blamed on Government. When in reality the Government image from which the questionable image was derived has no "mis-alignments"...although I suppose the use of the term "fake" was not quite appropriate. However, it is still an attempt to place a "wrapper" around reality, this can only create obfuscation, and thus false data.

Take another look:



Exactly the same map, no wrapper whatsoever.

Crowdpsychology posted very good info as far as I can see, you just made up some stupid assumption (again).

you sure as hell had better have compelling evidence.

originally posted by: Crowdpsychology
Does it stop there? No, unfortunately not. Another growing approach to monitor ”potential terrorists” are the use of RFID chips. This chip enables wireless use of electromagnetic fields to transfer data, for the purposes of automatically identifying and tracking objects. Antennas/readers are all over cities and the reading-distance of some of these are above 100m. RFID chips is a vital part of Walmart’s streamlining operation and the company uses them to increase the responsiveness of their logistic network.

Sorry man, but a 100 meter range for a RFID transponder is not possible with todays technology. The activating field must always be above a fixed level, and a level that would permit that range would be dangerous to public health.

No, those things only work over a few feet at very best.