Five different stores make sudden announcement, claiming “plumbing” issues

There is less and less chance of this being Union related.....

1. Some employees were given 2 months paid leave, others could transfer to alternate walmart locations and all can re apply after they re open. The chances of "union organizers" being in this group actually grows because of this action, not shrink.

2. Wal Mart has 5000 + stores and closed 5, if they are playing chicken with the public they are going to lose. This is easily walkout/national attention level stuff. If you can clear out/close down even a thousand of those walmarts then the Unions win.

3. They have little actual choice in raising wages, and has been pointed out previously, some of these stores are starting at wages much higher then the national average. Walmart might be a #ty place to work, but so is every other store at this level, it is only when you get to a higher level in the stores hierarchy that you get a better lifestyle. And trust me, some of these cats do very well and there Multi-national presence means some people end up transferring to some exotic and beautiful locations. Not a bad deal really.

originally posted by: queenofswords
I love a good conspiracy, too, but the more I research, the more I think this is related to tax advantages, and Walmart Real Estate Business Trust business decisions. But, that's just me. I will continue to read this thread and keep an open mind for other possibilities.

I'm open to that possibility as well. That is also far more likely than it being something to do with a military exercise. It actually being plumbing problems is far more likely than it being something to do with a military exercise.

Here are reports of union activity at the Walmart in Tulsa that was just closed:

www.ktul.com...

www.ktul.com...

originally posted by: DelMarvel
Here are reports of union activity at the Walmart in Tulsa that was just closed:



www.ktul.com...



www.ktul.com...

These articles are from 2012 and 2013. While I can't discount that these 5 stores didn't close because of possible union activity or wage complaints, it just doesn't seem likely to me. There were protests in Dallas, Chicago, Los Angeles Walmarts (and other cities, too) and those stores are still open.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

originally posted by: tanka418

originally posted by: stellawayten
Fresno California walmart has plumbing problems which causes evacuation.
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How can there be so many incompetent plumbing contractors across this country? And, how the hell do they stay in business?

I'm an old software type with probably way too math behind me...but
The probability that 5 Walmart's would have the same issue is: 6.415e-24 ... almost non existent!

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Maybe it is a case of not seeing the forest for the trees.

Perhaps we would do better if we started to connect the dots. Do a search of "images:picture mosaics". Maybe we each are blind and touching a different part of the elephant, or are focusing so hard on the pictures that appeal to us that we completely miss the total picture.

I think we are wasting an amazing resource we have here if we allow our egos and our petty differences to get in the way of what we all claim we come here for; the truth, enlightenment.

We have a great chance at finding additional puzzle pieces and ultimately solving the puzzle if we work together.

We don't have much time left. In fact it may already be too late, if they are able to bring in baby Bush, and allow the grand commander back into the White House through the side door.

Remember his promise of a new world order, if they are successful, " and we will be"?

I think the time has come that we decide on which pill we are going to take. If you want to go back to sleep, I truly understand why, and I bid you no ill will. I just hope that you don't deliberately, try to sabotage the efforts of those that choose otherwise.

Thanks a lot for sharing!

So there is a big unterground tunnel-system right at the spot and Wallmart's are used as staging-points?
Well... then forget my "only 1200 soldiers" point, we actually don't know what is happening down there, do we?

I've seen some tunnels in one of those Jessie Ventura shows, but this seems to be VERY real and astonishingly big.



Dunno if this map is just something made up for the lulz, but it may give us another dot to connect.

Cheers!

If you throw in a huge bowl of alphabet soup, that may include such alphabet groupings as NMHS, EWS, CMD, MHEWS, NOAA, CDC, EPA, RVAT, EOC, CCR, NGO, CBDRM, CPP, etc., etc., ect.; you may be able to put together a small grouping of pieces that tie quite nicely together. They may even explain the partnership of a number of strange bedfellows. Including institutional partnerships; Federal, local, state, military, law enforcement and media.

I am just throwing out some pieces. Some may fit, some may not.

a reply to: DelMarvel

Let's see.

On the one hand we have irrefutable evidence that Walmart engages in tactics like this against unions. We have union representatives suggesting this may be what happened this time. You have laid off Walmart employees suggesting this what may be what happened. The LA store that was closed was the flagship store for those trying to unionize Walmart.

On the other hand we have your repetition of the myth that TPTB are going to soon start rounding up people to ship to detention camps. For which the evidence is what? You're saying 2014 is too long ago to be pertinent? Do you realize how old these stories are? I remember listening to shortwave back in the nineties and getting worked up about crap like this. And you know what? None of it ever happened. It's all baloney.

What "irrefutable evidence" are you referring to exactly? I think your theory might actually hold water if it was that one store closing. But it is not that one store. It is five stores. In four different states. And there has been more than one post on this thread refuting the idea that wages are the issue, particularly the Midland store. Walmart is not refusing to comply with the wages, as has also been stated more than once.

We have union representatives suggesting this may be what happened this time. You have laid off Walmart employees suggesting this what may be what happened.

Yes, and that's exactly what we're all doing: suggesting that an alternative explanation may very well be what happened. But that is merely theory, same as yours is, because we don't have proof. Just like your theory has no proof. Are both scenarios possible? Absolutely, yes. And I'm not saying that 2014 is too far in the past to be pertinent. I'm saying it is highly unlikely, and when you post things that are from five months ago and only involved one of the five stores in question, it gets even more unlikely that these particular store closings are in any way related to that relatively isolated incident.

If you truly have irrefutable proof that this is all nothing more than the work of the Evil Empire deploying dirty tactics against union activity, please post it so we can all breathe a sigh of relief and move on. If not, then you might consider giving open-mindedness a try. You're not interacting with a bunch of ignorant, uneducated idiots here and when you use dismissive, rude terms (such as the one you did) to relegate others to some category, it's basically the same as saying people who believe this could be happening are somehow lacking in rational thought and intelligence. It's just not necessary to behave that way.

a reply to: GroundZero

Has anyone seen this angle on it?
This is odd because a friend of mine who normally doesn't fall into this type of stuff just told me about Operation Jade Helm and what he thinks is the connection.
This friend is a multi-millionaire living in the Florida keys. Not exactly the conspiracy theory type.
This link seems a little extreme, but gets in the same territory as what he was telling me.

Ok, that is truly disturbing.

Called one of the Walmarts (Midland, TX location) just now. Phone was answered by a woman "Thank you for calling Walmart customer care, may I begin this conversation by requesting your first and last name?" (WHAT?) I just said I was calling to check store hours. She asked if I was calling about a particular location. I told her the one on Midland Drive. She said that the store was closed last night at 7pm. I said "Oh? For good?" She said "Yes, at first they said it would be for maybe 6 months but after further review they have decided to close indefinitely." LOL...plumbing problems my you-know-what. Something fishy is up, whether it has to do with OJH or just Walmart closing stores because they are hurting. Either way, very deceitful the way they are doing whatever this is they are doing. I don't dare call the other stores from my phone because when the phone first picked up I got the recording of "This call may be monitored or recorded....".

I am tempted to call them myself but in the event that information is actually being gathered I'd feel unsafe calling from my work phone. I hope everyone else reads your post too. Extreme or not, there are a lot of things that make more sense in the context of the article.

originally posted by: texasgirl

originally posted by: DelMarvel
Here are reports of union activity at the Walmart in Tulsa that was just closed:



www.ktul.com...



www.ktul.com...

These articles are from 2012 and 2013. While I can't discount that these 5 stores didn't close because of possible union activity or wage complaints, it just doesn't seem likely to me. There were protests in Dallas, Chicago, Los Angeles Walmarts (and other cities, too) and those stores are still open.

First of all, the store in Los Angeles WAS closed.

Secondly, the NLRB just made a sweeping ruling against Walmart in December regarding these cases specifically addressing the point that it is illegal for Walmart to fire employees for protesting.

Yes, these stories are older but it has already been established that some of the employees involved in the protests were still working at the stores.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: texasgirl

originally posted by: DelMarvel

Here are reports of union activity at the Walmart in Tulsa that was just closed:







www.ktul.com...







www.ktul.com...

These articles are from 2012 and 2013. While I can't discount that these 5 stores didn't close because of possible union activity or wage complaints, it just doesn't seem likely to me. There were protests in Dallas, Chicago, Los Angeles Walmarts (and other cities, too) and those stores are still open.

First of all, the store in Los Angeles WAS closed.



Secondly, the NLRB just made a sweeping ruling against Walmart in December regarding these cases specifically addressing the point that it is illegal for Walmart to fire employees for protesting.



Yes, these stories are older but it has already been established that some of the employees involved in the protests were still working at the stores.

ONE store in LA was closed. There were protests at several Walmarts in LA. And Chicago, Dallas and some in Louisiana, etc...

I just can't see a Walmart closing in a day and giving their employees 5 hours notice unless it was some type of emergency. What that emergency is, I don't know.

originally posted by: Daughter2
I haven't read all 18 pages so I don't know if it's been posted but I can tell you Walmart certainly would close five stores to avoid even ONE store from being unionized. (I used to work for a large union).



They got in trouble in Canada for closing a store after it was unionized. So to make this one look a little less blatant, they took a few others with it. They would rather lose six months profits for 5 stores than see their wages increase indefinitely for all their stores.



It's also standard practice for unethical companies not to give any notice for layoffs. You don't want pissed off employees who already know they are losing their job in your store for two weeks. It's not like Target or Walgreen are going to call Walmart for a reference.

The store in Canada gave 3 months notice before it closed. I have an article on that but for some reason I can't link it.

Again, it's not impossible for these 5 store closings to be union related, I just think giving 5 hours notice to its employees and closing in a day makes it unlikely. This was sudden and it closed fast, like there was an emergency of some type.

originally posted by: tigertatzen

If you truly have irrefutable proof that this is all nothing more than the work of the Evil Empire deploying dirty tactics against union activity, please post it so we can all breathe a sigh of relief and move on.

NOT WHAT I SAID. I said there is irrefutable proof that Walmart engages in tactics like this against unions. There is irrefutable proof that they will close entire stores rather than allow a union. There is irrefutable proof that they will threaten to close stores over unionization. There is irrefutable proof that they fire employees who try to unionize. There is irrefutable proof that they threaten to fire employees that try to unionize.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
You're not interacting with a bunch of ignorant, uneducated idiots here and when you use dismissive, rude terms (such as the one you did) to relegate others to some category, it's basically the same as saying people who believe this could be happening are somehow lacking in rational thought and intelligence.

Whoa. I said that your comment below was "nonsensical doom porn." That's after you used that term AT LEAST TWICE.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
I would honestly not be shocked if someone broadcast live, streaming footage of people being shuttled into detention facilities by the truckloads

I have close to a half century of experience following and believing this kind of stuff and I stand by the description of this as "doom porn." Take it as you will.

To restate my position.

1) "It wasn't really plumbing."-----very logical conclusion.

2) "It might have been related to employee protests and unionizing"-----very plausible theory with lots of supporting evidence.

3) "It might have been financial issues, restructuring, going from larger to smaller stores, etc." --also very plausible with supporting evidence.

4) "It is connected to the possibility of truckloads of people being shuttled into detention facilities." ---completely irrational and not supported by any evidence whatsoever.

a reply to: DelMarvel

Yeah, because god knows it can't be more than one reason.. I'm amazed that so many people only see incidents in black or white. There are usually more than one gradation to a story/incident, and in this case I believe that's exactly what it is. And like both me and many other have stated:

Crowdpsychology: Name logic reasons behind a sudden plumbing problem at 5 locations, in different states, at the same time, extending 6 months, when the stores have been build 5-20 years apart, and with zero permits filed.. I would love to hear those reasons.

If you can't mention any logic reasons supporting the plumbing claim, I think both you and other members should stop repeating it, solely based on that Walmart said it was the reason.

Let's say Walmart have a problem with either money, tax, labour union (one is confirmed).

We know the government is going to have their 8 week exercise during the 6 month bogus closing of 5 stores.

And lets say that the government have included private companies which are considered RSFs (which Walmart among others are) (Read my comment on page 18) in the urban style exercise..

Wouldn't it be a pretty convenient to take care of more than one problem in one single occasion, and at the same time live up to their role as a recovery support function?

originally posted by: queenofswords
I love a good conspiracy, too, but the more I research, the more I think this is related to tax advantages, and Walmart Real Estate Business Trust business decisions. But, that's just me. I will continue to read this thread and keep an open mind for other possibilities.

DelMarvel: I'm open to that possibility as well. That is also far more likely than it being something to do with a military exercise. It actually being plumbing problems is far more likely than it being something to do with a military exercise.

Please explain (after reading and understanding Walmart's, among others role in; disaster recovery, emergency management, crisis management and so forth) why it's far more likely that tax advantages is the ONLY genuine reason, behind 5 stores conveniently closing at the same time, before the exercise (preparation) as well as during the whole exercise!? Because according to me and my pal logic, which already know that the stores fit almost perfectly with the deployment during the exercise as well as Walmart's role regarding preparedness, it could be a mix of reasons, including being a contributing (vital?) factor in Jade Helm 15.

I want to emphasize one thing. I'm not saying that DHS, FEMA or military personal are going to roundup people in the empty Walmart stores while grabbing their guns and gold, all I'm saying is that there is a chance that Walmart is going to be apart of the exercise because they play an important role for the government when it comes to preparedness and supply/recovery capabilities.

a reply to: tigertatzen

Ooo this one fits the bill perfectly
Asteroid hit near Puerto Rico I realize this is based on a

message from God

but I am willing to add it to my list!

“The governments of the world know that a very large asteroid will hit the earth on September 24, 2015, and they have publicly announced it already through the French foreign minister Laurent Fabius on May 13, 2014. They will attempt to nuke this asteroid, which will break it into smaller pieces that will reign down all over the earth causing massive destruction.”
Read more at www.inquisitr.com...

And as if to confirm fears, NASA has announced it is staging a presentation of a “hypothetical asteroid impact scenario” at the 2015 IAA Planetary Defense Conference (PDC) to be held in April. According to NASA, the scenario, which is “completely fictional” but “realistic,” would consider possible responses by the world’s governments to “an steroid discovered on April 13, 2015, the first day of the conference, at magnitude 20.9, declination -39 degrees and heading south.”

Anyone hear from Midland Ghost lately? He said he was driving to the closed Walmart with a camera, hoping to capture some footage.

"No plumping permits have been pulled in any of those places" Looks like local news to stores are investigating these claims. one source.

BRANDON, Fla. - Walmart stores across the country suddenly closed Monday, supposedly as a result of plumbing problems.

Now a Hillsborough County commissioner who has worked closely with the company for years says he has plenty of questions.

In Midland, Texas, which, until Monday, was home to one of the 10 busiest Walmart stores in the country, City Building Official Steve Thorpe told the I-Team his plumbing inspector was sent away when he visited the closed store and offered to help secure permits.

Cities are upset too because of tax loss, etc. Hmm, wonder what they will find.

a reply to: texasgirl

He posted after that with some info on what other people in the area have been sharing with him but haven't seen any posts today. Hopefully all is well.

a reply to: dreamingawake

wow, one of the closed walmarts was 1 of the 10 busiest "IN THE COUNTRY" this makes this whole thing even fishier...dang I have a cut on my right finger tip with a bandaid on it and I keep making errors with spelling and punctuation because of it!

There must be leaks in their bank accounts !!

a reply to: DelMarvel

Dude, seriously....please chill out. I did say it twice, you are correct, and I also stated very clearly that I find it to be dismissive and insulting. It really irks me when people take things I say out of context to keep stirring the pot and antagonizing people. You call it whatever you want...you're the one posting articles from 2012-2014 to support your unfounded assertion that this is somehow union related. And plenty of evidence exists on this thread suggesting that you are 100% mistaken. Have an opinion, by all means. Keep trying to derail the thread with stupid arguments about who said what and to whom? Please stop.

I care not how many years of "believing this kind of stuff" you may or may not have. Alleged experience does not trump simple common sense, nor does being close-minded and petty toward others' opinions and beliefs win anyone any supporters, so you're wasting your time with that silly drivel. Say what you want. You are the only one who keeps repeating him/her/itself here. Your definition of "plausible" is quite different than mine, so we will just have to disagree. Either way, I'm done arguing with you. It is pointless to argue with someone who only wants to fight and will post any silly, baseless thing to try to win said fight. Have a lovely day.

originally posted by: tigertatzen
Keep trying to derail the thread with stupid arguments about who said what and to whom? Please stop.

How am I the one "trying to derail the thread" when you were the one who first started complaining about who said what to whom?

I criticized YOUR THEORY. You're the one who came back with a personal attack.