WATCH: Ted Cruz tells Iowa group that gays are waging ‘jihad’ against Christians

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

I asked the poster to show the verse a while back, never got an answer either

a reply to: tothetenthpower

Correct me if I'm confused here but I honestly thought that while it's illegal for any government run service to deny service that private owners were able to use their discretion to serve and refuse service to anyone. Let them go out of business naturally but I don't want anyone forced to serve me. Let them keep their tacky cakes.

a reply to: olbe66

Consider the full phrase in it's usual presentation:

"Why are the gays pushing/shoving this gay stuff down my throat?"

Consider that repressed sexuality often manifests in a violent or sado-masochistic manner in fantasies.

originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
Ted Cruz and Teapublicans brand of politics always require a scapegoat to demonize for all their woes.

Not a scapegoat...they need a boogieman and someone to hate.

Fear is the biggest motivator.

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a reply to: Seamrog

I won't argue numbers of homosexual encounters among the Catholic clergy or take your bait on trying to divert the argument between pedagogic pederasty and outright consensual adult sexual behaviour among male Catholic clergy. However, it does seem that the majority of the civil settlements that are coming out of the Catholic church are for pedophilia. I guess that you feel that the adult homosexuals in the church clergy should be given a pass with reguards to Leviticus - because, ya know, they are adults, and should be treated with respect. Not killed? Like is says in the bible?

There can be no doubt that the Old Testament condemns homosexuality as a detestable act worthy of death (Lev. 20:13). Do your homework on the Old Testament and the new covenant, quit cherry-picking to justify your hatred- and enjoy the next lobster or piece of bacon you eat hypocrite.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Thought it might be something like that. Thanks.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Beaten like a drum....

a reply to: NavyDoc
There is a reason why the businesses that have been sued and it stood, stands to the prior court cases that have already covered these issues.

If you look back at the US Supreme Court cases, the 2 that come to mind would be 1878 Reynolds V. United States. Apart from the court case looking at and actually stating that polygamy is not supported by the US Constitution, there was one other part of that court case that would be of interest to all: No religion or religious practice, church, or faith, is above the laws of the land. It set the precedent that the government could come in and put limits on a religious practice. That if the government found that part of that religious practice to be in violation of criminal law or federal statute, then it could be curtailed. Looking more up to date court cases, such has been reaffirmed in the snake handling cases, where such have either been outlawed or severely restricted.

The other case and this one comes into play heavily is more current: Heart of Atlanta motel v. United States (1964) In that case it was stated that using religion to deny service is not supported by any law and is not permissible.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Seamrog

1. Not only is Jorge Bergoglio a bigot at times, he's a Jesuit, so he has a 50/50 chance or better of being an atheist.

2. The Christian religion is about as complicated as a comic strip in the daily paper.

This was a snipish comment that I have thought better of.

Pope Francis has been an exemplary Pope in my opinion. I am encouraged by the changes he is trying to bring to the Roman Catholic Church. He is not a "bigot" while he may take bigoted actions on occasion.

The fact the he is a Jesuit does not imply automatically that he is an atheist.

And while I do not feel that the basic ideas of Christianity are at all complicated, and I believe that as the source document for the religion, the bible should be read as an English document requiring no magic understanding, it is unfair to compare Christianity to a comic strip.

Best.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

Tell me the verse where Jesus says it's okay to hate gays.

You just effectively demonstrated the point I was making.

Sadly - you did it with remarkable predictability.

And as predicted, you don't supply the verse.

I can't blame you, the verse doesn't exist. But my point stands. Good day.

Gee...and I'm still waiting to hear back on the "Letter to Dr. Laura'" I guess it's still cherry pickin' time.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

This makes me so angry.

I wish the American people would grow their balls back.

I loathe the concept that people need state permission to marry. Marriage, in the world of law, is a contract between two people, and all human beings have the natural right to enter into private contracts.

We don't need permission to exercise a right.

This attitude is being perpetuated by both the right and the left. Both sides want to control some aspect of your private life, and it's complete BS.

Ted Cruz and his ilk can go die.

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck


Gee...and I'm still waiting to hear back on the "Letter to Dr. Laura'" I guess it's still cherry pickin' time.

I did reply to this, and to the other snide comment, but it was removed.

Go figure.

You, and many others have a overly simplistic understanding of Christian theology - as it regards same-sex attraction and MANY other things.

To attempt to pin one verse from the OT, or one from the NT on the theology demonstrates that you have absolutely NO CLUE about the Tradition, the Magisterium, the writings of the Early Fathers, that clarify and amplify sacred scripture and all together contribute to the deposit of Christian Faith that forms theological understanding.

In your attempt to be quippy, you are showing your ignorance of Christian faith.

I could explain it to you, but it is wasted effort on those who openly reject it even at it's most simplistic level.

Perhaps you can wrap your head around this - even the most liberal theologians admit that the idea of Jesus Christ openly discussing or entertaining anything homosexual is preposterous - it was widely understood and accepted as abomination, and was not even remotely tolerated.

The understand of Leviticus is comparable in that the understanding of God revealing himself to a chosen people through millenia was not completed until the revelation of Jesus Christ is a comprehensive theology in which the origin and the completion are not separable. Trying to isolate it apart from that for quippy banter demonstrates an ignorance of this understanding.

Sacred scripture is eternal. Jesus - the Word of God always was, and always will be.

Call it "hate speech" or whatever you want. Ted Cruz was exactly right in critiquing the actions of the homosexualists as a war against God. It has raged before man's creation, but it will end.

And there is wonderous and glorious hope in that.

originally posted by: hearows
a reply to: tothetenthpower

Correct me if I'm confused here but I honestly thought that while it's illegal for any government run service to deny service that private owners were able to use their discretion to serve and refuse service to anyone. Let them go out of business naturally but I don't want anyone forced to serve me. Let them keep their tacky cakes.

So you thought businesses were able to deny services to, say, all black people?

originally posted by: Seamrog
The recent scandal of Roman Catholic priests involved homosexual priests - not pedophile priests.

So priests having sex with kids is ok, it's just scandalous if the kids are male? Hm, I guess Christianity's sense of morality is even more #ed up than I thought...

a reply to: Seamrog

You, and many others have a overly simplistic understanding of Christian theology - as it regards same-sex attraction and MANY other things.

Why do we need to understand the ins and outs of Christian theology when we already know that some Christians like to cherry pick some verses while ignoring others?

Do you realize that many here are Christians, ex-Christians and even ex-pastors?

Call it "hate speech" or whatever you want. Ted Cruz was exactly right in critiquing the actions of the homosexualists as a war against God. It has raged before man's creation, but it will end.

He has every right to free speech. He may be stupid but still he has that right.

I find it hilarious that you call them "homosexualists". You are one funny man.

And there is wonderous and glorious hope in that.

LOL keep hoping.

a reply to: TheJourney

To characterize it as a pedophilia problem is an agenda-driven fallacy.

It was not.

It was a homosexual clergy problem.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

LOL keep hoping.

Hence the 'wasted effort' comment.