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a reply to: NavyDoc

I don't know what this "payback" is that you are referring to? I want equality for all. How is that payback?

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
If you call me a leftist again, I'll report you. I find the term insulting. Thank you.

And when it suits me? Did I not just say that the Jewish Deli Owner would be legally obligated to cater the KKK rally? I completely disagree with everything the KKK stands for, but I'd defend them in a hot minute if someone discriminated against them. You say there is not a single just anti-discrimination law.

So you believe any shop owner can refuse to serve blacks because they're black?
You believe job postings can come with the footnote "No Irish Need Apply"?

I understand you need big brother to look out for you - when it suits you.

You are perfectly fine to call me and my Christian bretheren hateful bigots, but want to run to daddy to enforce your particular wants on me.

If that is not leftist, I don't know what is.

And yes, I believe if a shop keeper does not want to serve blacks, or whites or whatever, no government should MAKE HIM.

a reply to: Seamrog

And yes, I believe if a shop keeper does not want to serve blacks, or whites or whatever, no government should MAKE HIM.

If you can't look back just over 50 years ago and see just why that does not work, I don't know what to tell ya

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun
If you call me a leftist again, I'll report you. I find the term insulting. Thank you.

And when it suits me? Did I not just say that the Jewish Deli Owner would be legally obligated to cater the KKK rally? I completely disagree with everything the KKK stands for, but I'd defend them in a hot minute if someone discriminated against them. You say there is not a single just anti-discrimination law.

So you believe any shop owner can refuse to serve blacks because they're black?
You believe job postings can come with the footnote "No Irish Need Apply"?

I understand you need big brother to look out for you - when it suits you.

You are perfectly fine to call me and my Christian bretheren hateful bigots, but want to run to daddy to enforce your particular wants on me.

If that is not leftist, I don't know what is.

And yes, I believe if a shop keeper does not want to serve blacks, or whites or whatever, no government should MAKE HIM.

You're right, I AM free to call you hateful bigot if I please. The Constitution affords me that luxury. And if you REALLY want to call me a liberal leftist crybaby, of course you're free to do that.

But I can't refuse to serve you BECAUSE you're a hateful bigot.
Just as you can't refuse to serve me BECAUSE I'm a liberal leftist crybaby.
That's the law. It's that simple. End of story. Call me a whiny liberal all you want, but if I come into your place of business and you refuse to serve me because of that, you're discriminating.

You can refuse to let me into your home. You can refuse to acknowledge me on the street. You can make "Railgun is Whiny Liberal Baby who HATES Christians" signs and go protest at the Capitol Building if you please.

But if you have a sandwich shop. And I want to buy a sandwich, you must sell me said sandwich. Enjoy the rest of your day. I'm done talking/reasoning with you.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: NavyDoc

I don't know what this "payback" is that you are referring to? I want equality for all. How is that payback?

How is taking choice from one citizen promoting equality? I have to agree with Courtney Hoffman and my lesbian friends who set up their own bakeshop--they want to retain the right to refuse to service things they disagree with such as anti-gay functions. However, they recognize the salient fact that if they want to be free to follow their conscience, then they must let other people follow theirs. That, my friend, is equality.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: NavyDoc

I don't know what this "payback" is that you are referring to? I want equality for all. How is that payback?

I was reading the other day about the "birth" of the Market Place in ancient times (of course I can't find it again).

How everyone came together in the Market Place, because we all (no matter belief) essentially need the same thing.

And how the laws of this Market Place were that everyone was treated equally, and no one was allowed to cheat another, because this was a gathering place.

Kind of reminds me of the Watering Hole in the wilds. All animals have to share the Watering Holes. And some how they all manage.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun


And if you REALLY want to call me a liberal leftist crybaby, of course you're free to do that.

Well no I'm not, because you'll tell on me.


You believe that if I have a business, then you are entitled to a portion of my life, and are willing to have the government EXACT that portion of my life with force to suit your whims.


I believe that is the position of cowardice and tyranny.


It is the direct OPPOSITE of the loving tolerance you are preaching.


I would call you a hypocrite, but you'd tell on me.

a reply to: NavyDoc

Equality is someone being able to purchase a product or service from someone who sells that product or service to everyone else in the general public. If you want to be so discerning in whom you will sell your stuff to, start a private organization.

originally posted by: Sremmos80

If you can't look back just over 50 years ago and see just why that does not work, I don't know what to tell ya

Look at how the police are behaving now.

If you can't see where government-enforced tyranny leads, I don't know what to tell you either.

originally posted by: Seamrog

originally posted by: Sremmos80

If you can't look back just over 50 years ago and see just why that does not work, I don't know what to tell ya

Look at how the police are behaving now.

If you can't see where government-enforced tyranny leads, I don't know what to tell you either.

How are the police behaving now?

50 years ago they'd take you out back, beat the crap out of you, then let you go with a warning.

Did you even live 50 years ago?

a reply to: Seamrog

The police are behaving the way they do through a combination of institutionalized racism and escalation of force due to the anti-drug laws created, pushed, and defended by the right. Don't blame police brutality on forcing business owners to sell to all people regardless of their affiliation. The right owns police brutality 100%.

originally posted by: Annee


Kind of reminds me of the Watering Hole in the wilds. All animals have to share the Watering Holes. And some how they all manage.

Yep. Even the homosexual ones get to drink from the same watering holes. I guess the other animals aren't afraid of "catching the gay".

a reply to: Seamrog

Why would I tell on you? You can climb to the highest mountain top in the U.S. and say EXACTLY what you feel about me, and I'll defend your right to do that.

Now, here on ATS there are rules of decorum to be followed, of course, but despite my previous warning, I haven't reported you yet because I feel you're free to say whatever you want, regardless of how I take offense to it.

If you have a business that serves the PUBLIC, then you have the legal obligation to serve me, a member of the PUBLIC. If your beliefs are so ingrained that you cannot morally serve the public, and all people within it, maybe a business serving the public isn't right for you. Anti-Discrimination laws exist for a reason. It's so the paramedic responding to the scene can't have a change of heart and refuse to save the life of the man who owns gay porn. It's so the only mechanic in the small town 50 miles from civilization can't refuse to fix the car of the black family who broke down there. It's the reason the owners of gay clubs can't put up "Gays only" signs, and must serve straight people if they choose to be a patron of their establishment. It's the reason companies can't put up "Latinos only" on their job postings because they're looking for a spanish speaker.

The laws exist for a reason, and whether you agree with them or not, they are the law. If you don't like the law, start lobbying. The U.S. is a democracy, if you can enough people around to your way of thinking, maybe they'll change it.

Call me a hypocrite, I don't care. That's your right. But the law is the law. If your morals are so unshakable that you can't be expected to follow that law in the running of your business, you probably shouldn't have a business.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Seamrog

The police are behaving the way they do through a combination of institutionalized racism and escalation of force due to the anti-drug laws created, pushed, and defended by the right. Don't blame police brutality on forcing business owners to sell to all people regardless of their affiliation. The right owns police brutality 100%.

How many LEO make the news, compared to the vast amount of LEO?

Yet, some want to judge the many by the actions of a few.

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

CHRISTIANS DON'T HATE GAY PEOPLE!

Give it a rest.

Lot's of Christians do, though. You may not, but the bible says it's okay to hate homosexuals for they are an abomination unto the lord. I paraphrased that a little. But you get the drift. This is the same bible you probably use. And while many Christians don't hate homosexuals, many do.

a reply to: Seamrog

So that had nothing to do at all with what I said, and as Annee pointed out, they are sorta tame in sense to what we have now.

They still get away with killing people sure, which I would bet you have no issue with most the recent cases, but they don't have near the free reign to treat people like sub humans

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Annee


Kind of reminds me of the Watering Hole in the wilds. All animals have to share the Watering Holes. And some how they all manage.

Yep. Even the homosexual ones get to drink from the same watering holes. I guess the other animals aren't afraid of "catching the gay".

LOL

Touché

a reply to: Annee

He thinks it all used to be like Andy Griffith. Ha. There have been bad law officers ever since there has been law enforcement. Even back in the wild west sheriff days.

a reply to: Annee

I judge by the number incarcerated and for what they are incarcerated for. I also see that due to an escalation of police tactics for taking down people for certain activities, police mishaps become more and more deadly than they were in the past. Back in the 70's did you ever hear about a police officer flash banging a baby's crib or shooting someone in a house after a no-knock raid when that person tries to defend themselves then blame the victim for it?

To me, a large part of our "police problem" would be fixed if we stop criminalizing victimless behavior.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Please don't put words in my mouth. You should know I would never have an ignorant opinion like that. I know that a good portion of police brutality cases are a result of increased reporting of them, but that doesn't stop my point from also being valid.