Take YOUR Kid Out of School Without Permission? Court Will Take Your Furniture...or Jail Term.

a reply to: grainofsand

Well here is the thing.. everyone pays taxes in so the children get a good education. It is good for the child.. it is for their welfare and wellbeing in life as far as why we educate our children.

That said.. there are some parents who do not care for the welfare of their children. This is what child protective services are for, and why if your child is missing a ton of school the state will look into it... to make sure there is not some serious problems or abuse happening at home..

but everything is for the benefit of the child, and concerning the welfare of the child.

Obviously in this case, it is not a case of the welfare of the child. If it were, the child would be removed from the home... not extorting money from a couple who decided to take their child on vacation for 5 days during the school year..

Their concern would be - and they would be acting to protect the child, not attempting to remove valuables from the home in lieu of money for the fine..

Not one part of this is about the child. Not one part. It all seems to be about another type of tax, now called the vacation with your child tax..

No one's taxes are reduced if a parent takes their kid out of school for 5 days one time in a school year, no teachers salary lost. Some time out of school is allowed for - everywhere. This does not in any way seem to be about the child.. it seems to be about getting money out of people - unnecessarily.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: greencmp

I get it. Get rid of dept of education, lose about 11% of funds, translates into losing funds for lunches and Head Start. Part of the overall republican plan, get the poor out of my state. All that will really happen then, is the property taxes will go up.

Frankly yes. If we ban public sector unions, eliminate the department of education and repeal the 16th amendment, state and local taxes will go up but, with the power to vote with our feet, we can divest ourselves of property in failing areas thus keeping exorbitant taxes in check.

If we choose to stay and pay the equivalent in local taxes, we will at least have local control over the quality of the teachers and schools.

It is a win for citizens and children and a catastrophic and long deserved loss for public sector unions and failed experimental social engineering pedagogy.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: redhorse


You keep your child out of school - - - you are stealing from the government.

My children are not government property, they are my flesh and blood.. you will not make a human beings children into government property.. EVER.

People will fight you to the death over their kids... we pay the government to educate our children and the children of our respective communities.. its what comes out of our checks every single payday and at the end of the year..

we pay them, they work for us toward the benefit of our children.. this does not translate into the government owning our children.

a reply to: greencmp/

So this is a nomadic, tribal form of government you envision with no central federal government? Has not that already been tried in the ME and see the results?

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
it seems to be about getting money out of people - unnecessarily.

Nope, it is seen as a minor penalty to discourage parents from taking holidays during term time.
As I said earlier, I took my child out of school for cheaper holidays every year, I just lied and said he was sick, not rocket science.
Even if I had asked for permission, been refused, then still did it and got the initial £150 penalty I would have just paid it in the easy installment plan all schools offer.
These stupid parents appealed, lost, then ignored it and failed to appear at court...pathetically stupid folk, no sympathy from me, they knew the rules and thought they could just ignore it lol, twats.
...oh, and agin, they can choose to home-school if they don't like the rules state schools have.

a reply to: jude11

All I can say is, I thank God I don't live in the UK.. over that I would move.. and I hope the crazies don't try and make it that bad here in the US.. they are working on it.. but we will fight tooth and nail over this sort of thing!

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: greencmp/

So this is a nomadic, tribal form of government you envision with no central federal government? Has not that already been tried in the ME and see the results?

Yes, just like the dark old days of 1970 when nearly all of us received our non-nationalized public school experiences.

I hesitate to use the word education for obvious reasons but, it was a damn sight better than what it has become.

originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: jude11

All I can say is, I thank God I don't live in the UK.. over that I would move.. and I hope the crazies don't try and make it that bad here in the US.. they are working on it.. but we will fight tooth and nail over this sort of thing!

Why? Nobody is forced to send their kids to state schools. Nobody is forced to have vaccinations in the UK either, we don't sell GM food without labelling, and we don't grow GM food here. Our cops don't generally shoot people dead either, and you can cross the road anywhere without risking a jay-walking fine.

I think it is your country which is far more oppressed than mine.

a reply to: grainofsand

"I think it is your country which is far more oppressed than mine."

Suppose it's a little off topic but rather a few of there states have legalized Cannabis for medical purposes, that's rather progressive and certainly something the U.K should consider implementing.

originally posted by: grainofsand

Why? Nobody is forced to send their kids to state schools. Nobody is forced to have vaccinations in the UK either, we don't sell GM food without labelling, and we don't grow GM food here. Our cops don't generally shoot people dead either, and you can cross the road anywhere without risking a jay-walking fine.

I think it is your country which is far more oppressed than mine.

I give my kids an extra week of vacation around Christmas time when we all head of to a Mexican resort for some sunshine and fun...Both my kids are A students so outside of getting their homework ahead of time, its really no big deal.

BTW
What is wrong with GM food? Can you show me one food that has not been GMed? Neat thing about America is it is like 50 different Englands. If you do not like one you can just move to another. I'm not sure where English people go when they do not like where they live...hehe

But you did get us on the jay-walking thing... not sure I ever seen anyone get a jay-walking ticket, but I guess you got us there...bravo

a reply to: andy06shake

Lol, it depends which police constabulary you live in I guess. Here in the Devon and Cornwall police area I have to remind myself that pot is still illegal. 6 plants or less and/or personal possession they don't give a toss in these parts unless you're being a prick to them.
Maybe Police Scotland is more oppressive than Devon & Cornwall police?

a reply to: Xtrozero

"What is wrong with GM food?"

Whats wrong with GM food is we really have no idea as to the long term repercussions of growing the products never mind ingesting the stuff.

originally posted by: andy06shake
Suppose it's a little off topic but rather a few of there states have legalized Cannabis for medical purposes, that's rather progressive and certainly something the U.K should consider implementing.

They wouldn't have a good reason to go to Holland then...

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Can you show me one food that has not been GMed?

Yes easily, every single food product grown or reared in the UK is GM free. The only GM food for sale in the UK is imported from North America and clearly labelled.
...and on topic, the parents in this OP are free to home school their kids if they wish but by enrolling their child in a local authority school they entered into a contract which they breached.
Again, no sympathy, stupid fools should have just lied and said their child was sick as I did every year my child was in school.
And after losing their appeal they should have just paid it at 3 or 4 quid a week in installments instead of failing to appear at court and ignoring it, stupid fools.

originally posted by: grainofsand

As I said earlier, I took my child out of school for cheaper holidays every year, I just lied and said he was sick, not rocket science.

They're cracking down on that one now in our school district.

You can still get away with 3 days, but after that you have to have a doctor note.

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My mom was disabled - - she always took us on vacation at off times (school time) to avoid the crowds. But, that was a long time ago.

a reply to: grainofsand

"Maybe Police Scotland is more oppressive than Devon & Cornwall police?"

Police Scotland are generally all about revenue generation and criminalizing the poor souls for consumption of the herb in question.

"Here in the Devon and Cornwall police area I have to remind myself that pot is still illegal."

If that's the case, whats the average rent per calender month where you hail from?

a reply to: Annee

This is the UK in the OP, no doctor certificate required. I have many friends with kids still of school age who just lie and go on holiday in term time because it is cheaper. One friend actually admits it and pays the penalty every year because the savings of holiday costs in term time far outweigh the £150 penalty. He treats it as one of the holiday expenses.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: grainofsand

Why? Nobody is forced to send their kids to state schools. Nobody is forced to have vaccinations in the UK either, we don't sell GM food without labelling, and we don't grow GM food here. Our cops don't generally shoot people dead either, and you can cross the road anywhere without risking a jay-walking fine.

I think it is your country which is far more oppressed than mine.

I give my kids an extra week of vacation around Christmas time when we all head of to a Mexican resort for some sunshine and fun...Both my kids are A students so outside of getting their homework ahead of time, its really no big deal.

It does seem to kind of depend on the school. And being an A student certainly seems to help in the leeway.

But, public school does have law behind it, IF it chooses to act.

The UK school in question is a Special Needs school. They have their own law on top of regular law.

a reply to: andy06shake
Hahaha! I live next door to a house in excess of a million pounds, but my house is worth only £75000 because my sea view is in between 2 other million pound houses. There's a guy I know across the road who pays £100 per week for a nice 1 bed maisonette, but my neighbour two doors up is paying £300 a week for a penthouse.
Honestly though, I don't know anyone who worries about carrying personal amounts of pot, lol, that seems alien to me!

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Annee

This is the UK in the OP, no doctor certificate required. I have many friends with kids still of school age who just lie and go on holiday in term time because it is cheaper. One friend actually admits it and pays the penalty every year because the savings of holiday costs in term time far outweigh the £150 penalty. He treats it as one of the holiday expenses.

Yes, I know its a UK school. Actually a Special Needs Academy.
(I do try to be informed )

I'm in the Los Angeles area. They've been cracking down.