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David Cameron BELIEVES In The RESURRECTION Of Jesus Christ.
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a reply to: LABTECH767
My point is the son is NOT the Father...
I know it is the claim in Christianity... but its simply not true no matter how much Christians want it to be
When you add words to what he said, you change the meaning of the passage...
Perhaps you are not a dishonest person... but that was a dishonest statement...
Though that seems to be the norm in Christian circles...
My point is the son is NOT the Father...
I know it is the claim in Christianity... but its simply not true no matter how much Christians want it to be
When you add words to what he said, you change the meaning of the passage...
Perhaps you are not a dishonest person... but that was a dishonest statement...
Though that seems to be the norm in Christian circles...
a reply to: Akragon
I most certainly disgree with you and must point out that this belief you are attesting to is one of those that are of another religion, one that came about 650 ad onward as that is amongst others including a denial of the crucifixion there pretension and it is simply not true though I must also point out some sects in that actually accept him as an aspect of Allah though Allah is actually Not Yahway no matter what they want to claim but we shall all see in His good time.
I shall not argue the point with you and not because I think I would lose the argument as I simply would not but because I have better thing's to do and this arguement is taking the thread well and truly off post.
I most certainly disgree with you and must point out that this belief you are attesting to is one of those that are of another religion, one that came about 650 ad onward as that is amongst others including a denial of the crucifixion there pretension and it is simply not true though I must also point out some sects in that actually accept him as an aspect of Allah though Allah is actually Not Yahway no matter what they want to claim but we shall all see in His good time.
I shall not argue the point with you and not because I think I would lose the argument as I simply would not but because I have better thing's to do and this arguement is taking the thread well and truly off post.
a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND
Jesus will come back to save the Palestinian against transgressors! NOT according to modified modern bible.
ONE DAY JESUS WILL RETURN!
Jesus will come back to save the Palestinian against transgressors! NOT according to modified modern bible.
a reply to: LABTECH767
Well my friend you can disagree all you want to... the fact is Christianity is "another religion" when compared to what Jesus actually taught...
Within the first 300 years of its conception things were changed by the early "fathers" of the church... including Paul...
All you have to do is read the gospels and you would see that most of Christianity is based on Pauls writing not the gospels...
Further more just ask almost any Christian... Most know Pauls letters, but few know what Jesus taught
This is the result of reading into what was actually said by the authors of the books
I and my Father are one... Does not mean I am the Father...
Similar to the use of I AM in his discourse about Abraham.... Saying I AM does not imply that he was stating I AM God...
Its something that is all throughout the religion... reading into bits and pieces of scripture to find the meaning you want to find...
Well my friend you can disagree all you want to... the fact is Christianity is "another religion" when compared to what Jesus actually taught...
Within the first 300 years of its conception things were changed by the early "fathers" of the church... including Paul...
All you have to do is read the gospels and you would see that most of Christianity is based on Pauls writing not the gospels...
Further more just ask almost any Christian... Most know Pauls letters, but few know what Jesus taught
This is the result of reading into what was actually said by the authors of the books
I and my Father are one... Does not mean I am the Father...
Similar to the use of I AM in his discourse about Abraham.... Saying I AM does not imply that he was stating I AM God...
Its something that is all throughout the religion... reading into bits and pieces of scripture to find the meaning you want to find...
a reply to: Akragon
I will answer this, most christian's read the new testament and hunger for older version's of it as the world of christ is life, we are free'd from the tyranny of sin which is to fail the law (the Law is perfect but we humans are simply not so and therefore nearly no one could survive as under the law Sin is death) by the Grace of God through Jesus christ, now as for the work's of Shaul/paul I actually do believe he is a true servant of Christ and as you know as originally a rabbinical persecutor of the Messianic Jews whom the temple authority's saw as heretical but of course we all know about his conversion on the road to Damascus, remember he had a comfortable life and was an astute servant of the temple but converted to christ and even though a full Jew himself was sent to the Gentile to preach the Good news about christ and salvation.
So to deny paul no matter your personal opinion is to deny the will of he whom sent him.
As for the three hundred years, no the majority of the alterations happed after about 600 ad and they were more miss interpretation than actual alteration, the Gnostic sect's who brought pagan ideas into christianity along with remnant's of the non christian faith did do damage in the earlyer period but that was countered by the fact they whom had known the Jesus on earth were the first teachers and the very strict and warning letter's to sect's that arose that had LEFT there first love.
There are a great many today whom follow some pretty wacked out belief's based on revisionist historians work's when in fact most of those revisionists merely courted controversy in order to sell there book's and make a quick buck or else planted there own belief in the so called age of reason and there belief religion was a superstition to be brought down.
Recently we have seen Dan Brown and his book's court another controversy which was based on hypothetical analysis of a medievil painting that was not even a christian relic but merely a painting and mistranslated interpretation of early belief's.
Sophia the wife of Christ from Gnostic greek and especially the Gnostic heartland of Egypt is actually Sophis, which is wisdom not a woman, Gnosis remember means Knowledge and the Gnostic sect's hid Knowledge as they regarded it from earlier pre christian sources in there apparently christian work's, remember the great fire of alexandria and how scholar's ran out from within there robes and hair on fire trying to carry stacks of papyrii to safety, well they did not dissapear and actually hid what they saved in the temples and temple precinct's were that knowledge survived long after the destruction of the library but when Christianity gained a foothold it posed a new danger as those precincts were no longer safe from early Christian zealots ( whom often acted in a very unchristian fashion much like Al Queada and the statue's of the Buddha the often destroyed the ancient shrines and monument's and many defaces monuments in egypt were actually smashed not by the arab's but by christian whipped up into a frenzy by there leaders ) so they kameleon like hid under the veil of the new religion and encoded there knowledge and this gave rise to the Gnostic traditions which as you can therefore see had no basis in christianity to start with except were the scholars actually became christian which did happen though the two sources of knowledge then often conflicted meaning they veered off from the christian belief into a new religion of Gnostic christianity.
Christ however is one with the father, the trinity is three beings that are one, the father God almighty, the son God incarnate or emanuel, and the holy spirit.
Christ said that were he was going non could follow, that was when he died on the cross and for three day's he returned to the father, he said everything he did came from the father and he could do nothing without the father.
Christian belief is best started by reading the Gospel of John though to interpret the revelation and many passages an understanding of the old testament is necessary and in older translations such as KGV the passages can sound archaic so new translations such as the new world translation are best.
The oldest Christian chuch is arguably they syriac orthodox church which is being persecuted and murdered by ISIS/ISIL, the Syriac church still hold there mass in Aremaic and are actually descended from the Jewish messianic church of the first century, they were not part of the conclave of nicenea and were not under constantine's rule yet there bible is the same with only slight differences, a more recent schism meant one half of the church unified to the catholic church and ancient animosity to the greek orthodox meant they chose such while half that has almost totally disappeared and maybe now has with the murders in syria remained independant, if the bible was so wrong when why did this church that still baptises in the jordan not have a different bible, the western version was not forced on them or the ethiopian orthodox church either.
I will answer this, most christian's read the new testament and hunger for older version's of it as the world of christ is life, we are free'd from the tyranny of sin which is to fail the law (the Law is perfect but we humans are simply not so and therefore nearly no one could survive as under the law Sin is death) by the Grace of God through Jesus christ, now as for the work's of Shaul/paul I actually do believe he is a true servant of Christ and as you know as originally a rabbinical persecutor of the Messianic Jews whom the temple authority's saw as heretical but of course we all know about his conversion on the road to Damascus, remember he had a comfortable life and was an astute servant of the temple but converted to christ and even though a full Jew himself was sent to the Gentile to preach the Good news about christ and salvation.
So to deny paul no matter your personal opinion is to deny the will of he whom sent him.
As for the three hundred years, no the majority of the alterations happed after about 600 ad and they were more miss interpretation than actual alteration, the Gnostic sect's who brought pagan ideas into christianity along with remnant's of the non christian faith did do damage in the earlyer period but that was countered by the fact they whom had known the Jesus on earth were the first teachers and the very strict and warning letter's to sect's that arose that had LEFT there first love.
There are a great many today whom follow some pretty wacked out belief's based on revisionist historians work's when in fact most of those revisionists merely courted controversy in order to sell there book's and make a quick buck or else planted there own belief in the so called age of reason and there belief religion was a superstition to be brought down.
Recently we have seen Dan Brown and his book's court another controversy which was based on hypothetical analysis of a medievil painting that was not even a christian relic but merely a painting and mistranslated interpretation of early belief's.
Sophia the wife of Christ from Gnostic greek and especially the Gnostic heartland of Egypt is actually Sophis, which is wisdom not a woman, Gnosis remember means Knowledge and the Gnostic sect's hid Knowledge as they regarded it from earlier pre christian sources in there apparently christian work's, remember the great fire of alexandria and how scholar's ran out from within there robes and hair on fire trying to carry stacks of papyrii to safety, well they did not dissapear and actually hid what they saved in the temples and temple precinct's were that knowledge survived long after the destruction of the library but when Christianity gained a foothold it posed a new danger as those precincts were no longer safe from early Christian zealots ( whom often acted in a very unchristian fashion much like Al Queada and the statue's of the Buddha the often destroyed the ancient shrines and monument's and many defaces monuments in egypt were actually smashed not by the arab's but by christian whipped up into a frenzy by there leaders ) so they kameleon like hid under the veil of the new religion and encoded there knowledge and this gave rise to the Gnostic traditions which as you can therefore see had no basis in christianity to start with except were the scholars actually became christian which did happen though the two sources of knowledge then often conflicted meaning they veered off from the christian belief into a new religion of Gnostic christianity.
Christ however is one with the father, the trinity is three beings that are one, the father God almighty, the son God incarnate or emanuel, and the holy spirit.
Christ said that were he was going non could follow, that was when he died on the cross and for three day's he returned to the father, he said everything he did came from the father and he could do nothing without the father.
Christian belief is best started by reading the Gospel of John though to interpret the revelation and many passages an understanding of the old testament is necessary and in older translations such as KGV the passages can sound archaic so new translations such as the new world translation are best.
The oldest Christian chuch is arguably they syriac orthodox church which is being persecuted and murdered by ISIS/ISIL, the Syriac church still hold there mass in Aremaic and are actually descended from the Jewish messianic church of the first century, they were not part of the conclave of nicenea and were not under constantine's rule yet there bible is the same with only slight differences, a more recent schism meant one half of the church unified to the catholic church and ancient animosity to the greek orthodox meant they chose such while half that has almost totally disappeared and maybe now has with the murders in syria remained independant, if the bible was so wrong when why did this church that still baptises in the jordan not have a different bible, the western version was not forced on them or the ethiopian orthodox church either.
Please, everyone read what John said about who Jesus is at the beginning of his gospel. For that matter, read his letters, too.
a reply to: ThinkingMom
Have done before and it was no LOTRS.
Crap ending and whats worse is people actually believe it all happened.
Have done before and it was no LOTRS.
Crap ending and whats worse is people actually believe it all happened.
originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
If he comes on the day humans becomes extinct there won't be any humanity to save. Bit of a strange statement if you ask me.
Didn't the bible say that God promised never to destroy mankind again?
No he said he wouldn't use a flood.
The next one is supposed to be by fire. There are a few possibilities for that. Given the times, nuclear war is maybe most likely, but Revelation says the second coming happens expressly to prevent the death of all flesh on earth. So no, not everyone on earth will die if the Bible is fulfilled.
But considering it's not the only apocalypse that makes similar claims of destruction by fire that nearly destroys all life ...
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10-4-2015 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)
Back to the OP Cam as usual is talking out of his arse.
www.secularism.org.uk...
62% said they were not religious, compared to just 36% who said they were, while 68% said that religion was "not important" to their own life. Despite over a third of Britons claiming they were religious, only 29% said that religion was "important" to them.
Just go into any church and see for yourself....easter sunday 10 people in for the easter service at the place I had to go.....heck I was the youngest there and I'm 40.
Can't wait until it is turned into a pub...perfect place for a pint after work.
www.secularism.org.uk...
62% said they were not religious, compared to just 36% who said they were, while 68% said that religion was "not important" to their own life. Despite over a third of Britons claiming they were religious, only 29% said that religion was "important" to them.
Just go into any church and see for yourself....easter sunday 10 people in for the easter service at the place I had to go.....heck I was the youngest there and I'm 40.
Can't wait until it is turned into a pub...perfect place for a pint after work.
a reply to: flammadraco
The source I used is from 2014 and the percentage of Christians has been declining year on year since the 80s that I know of. Maybe longer?
Statistics eh? We use them to support our arguments and they can always be reframed, disputed or dismissed.
Setting them aside for now, we're still not a 'Christian nation' and secularism should be the way for all modern governments. Why should religious beliefs inform decisions relating to the economy, education or foreign policy?
In the 2011 Census for England and Wales, 59.3% of the usual resident population (33.2 million people) identified as Christian.
The source I used is from 2014 and the percentage of Christians has been declining year on year since the 80s that I know of. Maybe longer?
Statistics eh? We use them to support our arguments and they can always be reframed, disputed or dismissed.
Setting them aside for now, we're still not a 'Christian nation' and secularism should be the way for all modern governments. Why should religious beliefs inform decisions relating to the economy, education or foreign policy?
a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND
meeting him in the air ? , so basically the raptured , you and Jesus , will be watching the earth fry... will there be drinks ? cheese and pineapple sticks ? sound all a bit gloaty
I might have done a few good deeds in my life , is there anyway I can skip the rapture and be one of the ones burned up into the nothingness? I don't think I could stand a thousand years in heaven, ide be bored , and God sounds like a bit of a bully, even worse than some brothers I could mention
just in case you get wind of the bombs dropping , can you post it up , so I can look into the light, get blinded ,then be reduced to my molecular components**
ide really hate to witness all you Christians + Jesus gloating down at me,might
put a crimp on my eternity of darkness.
funbox
*Flash shadow is acceptable too
As the button is pushed and the nukes start to fly Jesus will rapture all the Christians so they will meet Him in the air and not be harmed by the extinction level events but they will see the earth and man finally destroying itself and will praise God for saving them or all humans would of gone extinct.
meeting him in the air ? , so basically the raptured , you and Jesus , will be watching the earth fry... will there be drinks ? cheese and pineapple sticks ? sound all a bit gloaty
Then they will live in heaven with God for 1000 years before returning to earth , on the spaceship The New Jerusalem (dimentions and description in the bible) for the ressurection and final judgement during the battle of Gog and magog.
I might have done a few good deeds in my life , is there anyway I can skip the rapture and be one of the ones burned up into the nothingness? I don't think I could stand a thousand years in heaven, ide be bored , and God sounds like a bit of a bully, even worse than some brothers I could mention
Once evil is distroyed (not punished forever in flames) completely distroyed by fire, the righteous will once again inherit the earth and the ash and bones of the wicked they shall crush under their feet.
I'm truly excited.
I can't tell you when man will extinct himself with nuclear bombs but its coming, SOON.
JESUS will save humanity from extinction! BELIEVE!
just in case you get wind of the bombs dropping , can you post it up , so I can look into the light, get blinded ,then be reduced to my molecular components**
ide really hate to witness all you Christians + Jesus gloating down at me,might
put a crimp on my eternity of darkness.
funbox
*Flash shadow is acceptable too
a reply to: ThinkingMom
a fence stump removal, no signs of injury at the time, today waking in excruciating pain ,30 mins to just get up, 3 hrs in hospital *results*, a torn muscle. but ...im not angry, no god to blame but me
funbox
a fence stump removal, no signs of injury at the time, today waking in excruciating pain ,30 mins to just get up, 3 hrs in hospital *results*, a torn muscle. but ...im not angry, no god to blame but me
funbox
a reply to: ThinkingMom
Not sure how you got anger from that post, although it is a typical thestic debate tactic to falsely imply such a thing.......that being said I do find people reveling in the thought of billions of people dieing in a nuclear war to be quite distasteful.
Not sure how you got anger from that post, although it is a typical thestic debate tactic to falsely imply such a thing.......that being said I do find people reveling in the thought of billions of people dieing in a nuclear war to be quite distasteful.
a reply to: Prezbo369
I don't know what you mean by whatever tactic. I am not interested in debate. I'm at this site on a fluke, long story. I just honestly feel for him because I know anger, I've been there so often. His rather large effort to mock tells me he has an anger issue, and I just hope he will talk to someone about it who won't just aggravate it but will help him with it. I think ATS is just too vicious for me. Thanks for the favor. I'm out of here.
I don't know what you mean by whatever tactic. I am not interested in debate. I'm at this site on a fluke, long story. I just honestly feel for him because I know anger, I've been there so often. His rather large effort to mock tells me he has an anger issue, and I just hope he will talk to someone about it who won't just aggravate it but will help him with it. I think ATS is just too vicious for me. Thanks for the favor. I'm out of here.
a reply to: ThinkingMom
*sniff sniff*
hmmm ,you don't know me nearly enough, to be making assertions like that.
sorry if I upset you :/
funbox
*sniff sniff*
hmmm ,you don't know me nearly enough, to be making assertions like that.
sorry if I upset you :/
funbox
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