David Cameron BELIEVES In The RESURRECTION Of Jesus Christ.

a reply to: ThinkingMom

no pitbulls here , *Mfb's* though , and, admittedly, sometimes they do eat each other , but only for fun , regurgitation is almost a guarantee, *their beaks get stuck in their beaks see ;D

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a reply to: boymonkey74

What's your real name? What's your address and what do you look like? Who are you multitudes of atrocious COWARDS hiding behind your avatars on ATS?

So easily led.

a reply to: ThinkingMom

Why are you so scared? has something happened to you to make you this fearful?

a reply to: LABTECH767

You misunderstand brother... I didn't say the bible is "so different"... in fact what was compiled in the early years of Christianity is almost the same as what we have today minus a few additions by Trinitarian scribes... and of course revelation which was originally rejected by the church until 400 some odd years later

I said, Christianity read into what was written and made their own doctrine out of it according to what they wanted to believe...I shall cover a few points so as to show what I saying.

Paul
I wouldn't expect any Christian to reject Paul, admittedly what he said about love is beyond compare and I do admire his words on that subject... Those words fully reject the so called god of the OT in every aspect... Though Paul twisted the words of Christ to suit his own agenda... Paul's version of Christianity is "faith alone"... Jesus did not teach faith alone ever... He did say "believe and you will have eternal life"... except belief requires action not just words... Thus Paul makes HIS words null and void... HE said "why Call me lord and not do what I say"... Everything he taught required action not just faith.

So to deny paul no matter your personal opinion is to deny the will of he whom sent him.

Paul sent himself... wanted a following, and used the name of Jesus to get what he wanted... He created what is Christianity today... Not Jesus...

the Gnostic sect's who brought pagan ideas into christianity along with remnant's of the non christian faith did do damage in the earlyer period but that was countered by the fact they whom had known the Jesus on earth were the first teachers and the very strict and warning letter's to sect's that arose that had LEFT there first love.

Which included warnings about Paul in Johns letters... the gnostics didn't bring pagan ideas to Christianity... That was Constantine... the pagan ruler of rome who adopted many Pagan ideas such as Easter which is a tribute to Ishtar, Christmas which is just another version of Sol invictus... and many other ideas as well.

Also unlike most people actually believe, there weren't any gnostic sects... the gnostic writers were basically writers that didn't get wide acceptance or a large following... Marcion wasn't a gnostic writer, he was a Christian Heretic, so was Valentinian but many of their ideas were taken by those who consider themselves "Gnostic" today, but back then there wasn't a "gnostic religion"... there were many versions of Christianity... all with their own belief sets.

Dan Brown

Dan's books were fiction... which he openly admits... many people who read his books assumed he was writing about history but he wasn't and he admitted to that fact

The Trinity

The trinity isn't a biblical concept what so ever... There are two passages in the NT that show a trinity clearly... both are additions to the text... 1 John 5:7 and Matthew 29:19... Everything else that even remotely describes a triune God is nothing more then Christians reading into something that isn't there... there was NO trinity when Jesus walked the earth Period. Proof of which is found within the NT...

In Matthew 28:19 Jesus said baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and holy spirit... except IF you read through the rest of the NT not a single person is baptized in that fashion... Every single one is baptised in the name of Jesus Christ... Further more a man named Eusebius who was a bishop in the early church quotes that very passage over 8 times in his writing and every single time the "Trinitarian formula" is absent...

Something as important as "the very nature of God" would not be hidden... it would have been shown clearly... and it was! God isn't a trinity according to the bible... Period

Would you like more?

Look at the greeting's in Pauls letters...

1 Corinthians
Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ

No holy spirit? I wonder why Paul left out One of the most important figures in Trinitarian doctrine? One of the very parts of God so to speak... I'll tell you why... because Paul knew nothing of a triune God... Neither did any of the apostles... There was no triune God taught in the OT or the NT anywhere... Its found by reading into what was written just as I said previously... And Christianity has had almost 2000 years to find all the so called "Trinitarian proof texts" in the bible that they have become adept at attempting to prove something that wasn't ever taught by the man they worship.

So again... its not that the bible is much different then the original compilation. Aside from a few alterations and additions to the texts its pretty much the same... the issue lies with the early church who read into what was writing to show what they wanted to teach... then they started pushing creeds from men that didn't know any of the apostles or Jesus for that matter... which just got the church farther away from the original teachings found in the gospels.

the church today is a mess... Christianity as a whole is a complete train wreck... all one has to do is look at the fruit it produces to see that... There are very few Christians who actually act like Christians...

they adopt the label to gain this elite status of being "saved" and look down their noses at anyone who isn't in their little club...

And the only reason I refuse to claim that label is because I will not be associated with such people... Not all of course, but most make me sick

a reply to: ThinkingMom

Gavin Nugent *edited my address out just in case but I left it up long enough to prove her point wrong*




Pop round for a brew.

originally posted by: Akragon
Paul's version of Christianity is "faith alone"... Jesus did not teach faith alone ever... He did say "believe and you will have eternal life"... except belief requires action not just words... Thus Paul makes HIS words null and void... HE said "why Call me lord and not do what I say"... Everything he taught required action not just faith.


Paul sent himself... wanted a following, and used the name of Jesus to get what he wanted... He created what is Christianity today... Not Jesus...

Yes, it is very unfortunate what Christianity became based on Paul's revision of Jesus' Teachings. When one looks at Jesus' two great commandments in terms of the real in-life daily requirements Jesus expected of his followers, how could anyone seriously buy what Paul was selling in terms of just believing and you will have eternal salvation once you died?

Of course, it is obvious why most people bought that complete revision by Paul - because what Jesus required with those two commandments was truly transformative in one's usual life, and was no easy matter. Jesus' demands were great!

So the choice was either just believe and you are saved down the road
OR
completely turn to the Divine with the heart and whole body-mind, etc., all the time.

So yeah, the church grew based on Paul's revision, but not on the basis of Jesus' true teachings, and that is showing its results more and more these days.

originally posted by: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

HD3DSUROUNDSOUND: Now consider the implications IF Christ was resurrected. Then GOD resurrected Him and He does offer the salvation He says He does. Coodies Mr. Camron. I hope your faith is sincere and you're not just garnering the support of the Christians in
ONE DAY JESUS WILL RETURN! Whenyour nation. I ALSO believe in Christs resurrection from the dead. My body is a temple. My body is also a christian nation. He does then ATS can post about it.

He [Jesus] is probably posting here already OR his CREATOR is; *both anonymously* (okay with the virtual world for now; not ready for the material YET; as they may be murdered).

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
He [Jesus] is probably posting here already

LOL!

Will the REAL Jesus posting here please stand up?

ATS could have a sequel to "The Three Christs of Ypsilanti"!

I've heard that gods often use the power of the internet to speak to their followers, gotta adapt and diversify right?

a reply to: HD3DSURROUNDSOUND

How does this thread enrich human intellect? Maybe you should attempt to understand others perspectives rather than simply dismiss them.