Missouri Lawmakers Don't Want Food Stamp Recipients To Buy Steak

originally posted by: macman
Soooo, I'm entitled, and your using the negative connotation of this, because I am tired of money stolen from me to give to others. Literally....money taken from me and literally given to others.
Okay then...I'm entitled to that whole Freedom of Speech thing.

Yes, that is a sense of entitlement. Everyone who feels a sense of entitlement will give you a good reason for feeling this way.

Are they right or wrong? That is a matter of opinion, which is all you have and, yes, you are free to shout it out as often as you like, but in the end you are doing what you are blaming others of doing "complaining because you feel entitled".

And again...Since I back less Govt and am against Tyranny

I don't think you really are. At least your posts in this thread show otherwise.

a reply to: macman

I'm pretty sure that any country that isn't run by a dictator has taxes. If you can find one that doesn't -- I'd say look into moving there.

a reply to: macman

I don't know how old you are....but they used to do it that way. It cost a fortune because the government doesn't do anything on the cheap.

I fondly recall how spectacular a grilled cheese with "government cheese" was.

A major initiative by almost all conservative viewpoints is to move government supported programs into a privatization. EBT was privatized, at least on the distribution end, to make it more cost effective.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: macman

I don't know how old you are....but they used to do it that way. It cost a fortune because the government doesn't do anything on the cheap.

I fondly recall how spectacular a grilled cheese with "government cheese" was.

A major initiative by almost all conservative viewpoints is to move government supported programs into a privatization. EBT was privatized, at least on the distribution end, to make it more cost effective.

But it's not cost effective this way either. WIC has specific things one can buy on it and it seems to work decently enough. With computerization and bar codes it would be doable and cost effective to have a list of appropriate things one can use assistance on.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: macman
Soooo, I'm entitled, and your using the negative connotation of this, because I am tired of money stolen from me to give to others. Literally....money taken from me and literally given to others.
Okay then...I'm entitled to that whole Freedom of Speech thing.

Yes, that is a sense of entitlement. Everyone who feels a sense of entitlement will give you a good reason for feeling this way.

Are they right or wrong? That is a matter of opinion, which is all you have and, yes, you are free to shout it out as often as you like, but in the end you are doing what you are blaming others of doing "complaining because you feel entitled".

And again...Since I back less Govt and am against Tyranny

I don't think you really are. At least your posts in this thread show otherwise.

That's not logical. It is not a "sense of entitlement" to want to keep what you have earned--it is entitlement. Who is more entitled to Mac's paycheck, the man who got out of bed in the morning, shlepped off to work, and earned it or the man who did not?

a reply to: daskakik

So, since I am exercising free speech, it is the same as people being entitled to welfare.

WOW. That stretch is amazing. DO you return back to normal length after that?
I would imagine there would be loose skin left over and stretch marks.


Ohh, I am against Tyranny. You know, Govt rule...like stealing from me to give to others....telling business how they have to act....being forced to purchase stuff like health insurance...those kinds of things.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Dictator driven countries still have taxes.

And I am not against all taxes.

a reply to: macman

When I was on food stamps it was after I lost my job and couldn't find one, when I got food stamps there was a limited time I could be on them unless I found a job in which I was working at least 20+ hours per week. Which I did. Soon after finding a job, as cruddy as it was my food stamps dropped to next to nothing. All food stamps did was help me survive til I found that job, and when on it, helped me afford a bit more food for a time, that was it.

That is NOT HOLDING MY HAND... That's giving me the taxpayer some help while down on my luck. It's the government giving me back something in my time of need same as I've been paying into it all of my working life.

Does SNAP benefit you directly right now? No it does not, good for you, let's hope it never does. There's lots of programs that don't benefit me either.

If the government does nothing for us, there's no reason to be paying taxes.

a reply to: NavyDoc

I've contributed way more towards taxes than I have ever gotten from food stamps, so has most anyone anywhere on it. Once again, he did not pay my food stamps nor have you.

a reply to: NavyDoc

He isn't talking about keeping his money.

Who's more entitled? Like I said entitlements apply to different things. Everyone in the US is entitled to speak their mind. The guy saying "it's free food" and Mac saying "it isn't free".

Mac is entitled to vote and complain to his representatives if he feels they are not working for him. Mac is not entitled to tell people what they can and can't buy with their EBT/food stamps. He has made it clear that he feels entitled to do so. Even though he said his CPA will make sure he gives as little of his money to the government as possible he still feels entitled to a say oin what happens with other peoples money, you know, everyone else paying taxes.

If the shoe fits.

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: Indigo5

Oh wait, you said starving children.....

You have touched upon my feel for today.

Well, in Whoville they say - that the Grinch's small heart grew three sizes that day.

a reply to: NavyDoc

As a business owner...it bristle at the notion that we are going to pass the costs of reconfiguration/upgrading onto me instead of it being absorbed by the government. Otherwise, I may not choose to participate in EBT. Especially if i have to reconfigure multiple locations.

Bar code scanners are getting cheaper. I get mine for about $130. Not a big deal, really. But if i were running my own mom and pop shop on a corner in the inner city? Just upgrading to a scanner might be more than I care to invest in.

But that isn't even the worst of it. An example from a vendor I deal with: i pay all my beverage bills via a company called "Fintech". They just draft the cash out of the account directly, and make sure that all payments do not violate TABC law. I like it because I don't have to write a check when beer is delivered, and I don't have to rearrange my work schedule around check runs that meet TABC guidelines (bills paid by the 10th and 25th). My problem: 2 of my vendors do not have POS systems that can account for it. One of them uses a pen and paper to account, while the other has a computer system that was originally purchased in 1984 and is DOS based. While this is booze....the same can be said for several establishments in the area. I could tick off 3 convenience stores (which, if we are honest, may be the only grocery accessible for someone who is walking) that still track their Z tapes based on the category button the clerk pushes, and the amount applied to that account. I know there are more, and if you go way out in the sticks, in the little farming communities, that singular "grocery store" with its 5 aisles of stale goods will be the only place you can spend your EBT.

No...not this time. Every time the government decides to switch things up, its small businesses that take it in the keister. I can't tell you how many tens of thousands we have spent on ACA, because we feel it is our duty to provide insurance to our employees. And, Uncle Sam being the genius he is...decided to make this personal duty as painful as possible.

originally posted by: macman
So, since I am exercising free speech, it is the same as people being entitled to welfare.

According to the laws of the land you reside in, its citizens are both entitled to, (without limiting entitlement to other things), freespeech and to public assistance.

In that sense, yes, they are the same.

Ohh, I am against Tyranny. You know, Govt rule...like stealing from me to give to others....telling business how they have to act....being forced to purchase stuff like health insurance...those kinds of things.

Of course the point was that you don't seem to mind gov rule in this case, just some kind of things.

a reply to: Puppylove

SO, as long as you benefit from the program, all is good in the world.

And again, the Govt was not designed to be there to play Mommy/Daddy for people.

a reply to: macman

It's not playing mommy and daddy, it's a mutually beneficial arrangement, I give, it gives, we work together.

Government is FOR the people BY the people. You want the government to only take and take and take and never give anything back.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: macman
So, since I am exercising free speech, it is the same as people being entitled to welfare.

According to the laws of the land you reside in, its citizens are both entitled to, (without limiting entitlement to other things), freespeech and to public assistance.

In that sense, yes, they are the same.

Ohh, I am against Tyranny. You know, Govt rule...like stealing from me to give to others....telling business how they have to act....being forced to purchase stuff like health insurance...those kinds of things.

Of course the point was that you don't seem to mind gov rule in this case, just some kind of things.

?

They are not comparable. One is a constitutionally guaranteed right, the other is a handout. One can argue that this might be a nice thing for a society to do for it's "poor" and that is a debatable point, but nobody is entitled to the fruits of another's labor.

a reply to: NavyDoc

It's not a #ing handout, we pay are goddamn taxes same as you, we PAID into it!!!!

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: macman

It's not playing mommy and daddy, it's a mutually beneficial arrangement, I give, it gives, we work together.

Government is FOR the people BY the people. You want the government to only take and take and take and never give anything back.

But government isn't "Giving anything back." Government in this case is taking form one to give to another--IMHO so politicians can buy votes. Government creates nothing. Anything it gives to one person, must be taken from another person.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: NavyDoc

It's not a #ing handout, we pay are goddamn taxes same as you, we PAID into it!!!!

Really? Should we weigh the taxes paid into the system vs the welfare taken out and you think they will match up, really?

a reply to: NavyDoc

No it's not, I pay taxes I paid more in taxes than I ever have gotten in food stamps, it has taken from NO ONE AT ALL EVER to pay my food stamps.