Close Encounters of the Herd Kind: UFOs, Aliens & Cattle Mutilation

Cool thread, nice presentation and a real mystery... though I'd bet a bundle it's black govt testing for who knows what study or horrid pathogen... or radioactivity from bomb testing as it's centered down wind of the Nevada test site.

Some of the cases are really weird... but I'd still bet it's black ops, rather than a non human source... but I could be wrong, of course.

Anyway, some of the animal deaths are odd...

originally posted by: 111DPKING111
Mirageman, do you feel Linda Howe is correct in that some mutilations show clear signs of being dropped? Ive seen one other TV investigator make the same claim based on certain broken bones.

I do think the alien explanation has an advantage here. Pull up the cow, process it quickly, then drop the dead weight right back down. They have to eat as well. There are also reports of alien craft over water towers and lakes, again, probably just refilling their water supply.

Believe it or not I tend to ignore a lot of what Linda Howe talks about because I can't stand her stilted ,staccato interview technique (I've heard her on C2C too many times now). She often sounds like she's reading off a cue card without her spectacles on and also ignoring the answer given as she moves on without any real spontaneity.

That's probably being totally unfair to the woman and I will concede she did a very good job in "A Strange Harvest" highlighted earlier in the OP.

Do I think aliens drop cows from UFOs?

I'd have to see some stronger evidence than we currently have to believe that. Although it does seem that some animals do have broken bones and show signs of being lifted of the ground with straps or harnesses. Which tends to point to a more terrestrial explanation.

My interest in UFOs is more down to solving the 'mystery' . This is not the same mindset as those who already believe in aliens, government cover-ups and the like. But I do believe in keeping an open mind as to the causes. So I can't rule out alien intervention.

But we don't hear too much from places like India about cattle mutilation where there are about 125m cattle. But I guess that's another reason that makes it a very puzzling phenomenon.

a reply to: mirageman

Another mighty fine thread MM - also thought Richard D Hall's documentary deserved a mention.

Richard D. Hall of RICHPLANET.NET investigates the subject of animal mutilation in the U.K. In various locations within the U.K., there are incidents of recurring animal deaths. The injuries on the animals are toally in-explicable showing surgical precision. See the evidence and follow the lives of those involved in tracking down the perpetrators. For some reason, the goverment are covering up these cases.

Interviews:

David A. Cayton

David A. Cayton has been investigating the strange phenomena of animal mutilation in the U.K. since 1997, has visited the scenes of many mutilated animals and photographed the evidence. His investigation of these incidents is extremely thorough, backed up by photographs and the assistance of a qualified pathologist.


Phil Hoyle

Richard D. Hall interviews Phil Hoyle of the Animal Pathology field unit. The APFU are a group of researchers who investigate strange animal deaths in the U.K. Phil has been studying an area on the English Welsh border known as the Rea valley. This has been a highly active area for animal mutilation over the last 10 years.


Mike Freebury

Richard D. Hall interviews Mike Freebury of the Animal Pathology Field Unit. Mike has been investigating strange animal deaths in the Dartmoor region. One particular area of Dartmoor has suffered a large quantity of unexplained sheep deaths. Mike also explains interferance he has encountered from the authorities, who accessed his mobile phone records.

Quite a few links have now been removed from the internet (including a good one called 'Big Mama - Animal mutilators' about UFO sightings and phony Air Force men) but there's an interesting page here about Bovine Hemoglobin -it is from Pravda but this article also goes on about ranchers finding carcasses hanging off trees and power lines and also mentions that traces of animals in the snow or mud would 'suddenly disappear as if the animals were lifted in the air'.

UFOs It Has Begun also has a nice bit about the subject (around 42:30) and there's a good page below from NOUFORS.


Animal Mutilations - A Worldwide Phenomena


Personally have no idea what to think but do love those cow icons!

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a reply to: karl 12

Thanks for dropping in mate.

Richard D. Hall does make some interesting documentaries so thanks for the link.

As for Big Mama I got my information here :*Night Mutilators -Gene Duplantier

Rod Serling's "UFOs It Has Began" is a 'classic' UFO documentary but I don't remember seeing it around 1979 or ever on TV here. I had to wait for Youtube to be invented.

There really is a lot more to these animal mutilations than I thought originally and it's probably worth a revisit some time in the future.

So I promise if I ever do a sequel I'll re-use those cow icons.

All the beast

Miragemoo

My personal feeling is that the Dulce stuff was two fold:

1) Covert radiological sampling disguised as UFO stuff. A left over from the attempted nuclear gas stimulation stuff they did under Plowshares.
2) Covering for the testing of the Tacit Blue aircraft. This was the mysterious crash that Bennewitz stumbled across.

The Valdez book is VERY interesting, but I don't agree with his conclusions on a covert lightcraft program operating out of Kirkland. The mirror pylons he talks about are probably remnants from the Tacit Blue testing.

The prion thing is scary but I'd like to see Chris Green's opinion on that. Probably some kind of bioshield operation...but who/what the hell was scaring the US into running a black prion detection program if that was the case?

Here are all of the Grey bases, so if anyone feels like "challenging" them, go there:

Dulce, New Mexico
Little Cottonwood Canyon, Utah
Sedona, Arizona
Page, Arizona
Blanca Peak, Colorado
Athens, Texas
Mercury, Nevada
Deep Springs, California
Tehachapi Mountains, California
Carthage, Missouri
Greenup, Kentucky
Alice Springs, Australia

a reply to: mirageman

I dont know enough about bones breaks to say whether they were dropped or not and havent really heard it discussed much. Nor could I find out how many have supposedly been dropped, maybe only a few, thus the lack of discussion.

I do agree with your conclusion. People are certainly capable of pulling this off, so until there is something more, it is all merely suggestive, ala ancient aliens.

Not that this discussion shouldnt have taken place, but from an alien perspective, imo it makes more sense to focus on cases like Madagascar, where there is a direct sighting by multiple witnesses.

originally posted by: mirageman

All the beast

Miragemoo

Ha - classic stuff mate and thanks for the link

Did see a bit of a freaky bovine report involved in the Cannon Air Force Base UFO flap where the poor cow was found in a 'burned circle' in a field - never come across that before.

About that time there were also several burned areas in farmer's fields surrounding the Air Base. I saw two of the circles. The burned circles were approximately 30 feet across and had a dead cow in the center. All the flesh was burned from the cow, but no blood was on the ground or apparently in the cow. Some of the cows had neat, clean burned out cavities in the abdomen about a foot in diameter, and a foot or so deep..

Thread

This article from the Perth Times also mentions a farmer discovering four of his cows with holes drilled into their skulls and their brains removed!

link

Cheers!

a reply to: intrptr

Oh geez, you're talking about actual biological germ warfare testing, like plague and ebola and the like? I thought you meant testing of animal diseases like hoof and mouth or mad cow. Well, we all know the government can be short-sighted, and black-ops can have no morality or ethics, but if I had to choose between ET's doing the mutilations or the government testing germ warfare on people's property - the former would win.

Anyway, theses farmers/ranchers often get the carcasses tested - it would be easy to discover such germs, and imagine the scandal it would cause if it were discovered the government was exposing people and animals deliberately to germ warfare pathogens on a mass scale. Many people would go to jail. What kind of psychopath would go along with that scheme?

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

intrptr could have a point. I was chewing over similar ideas for the past couple of years...no conclusions.

It's got to be worth considering that something covert was occurring. I mean, as long as countries worry about others using biowarfare, we all have to research biowarfare.

When people in positions of great responsibility make decisions, they'll often be at odds with conventional morality and ethics. Let's say an enemy state wanted to pass a biological agent through our food chain? How could we map its potential progress? Would it be purely computer analysis and game-theory? Or would something like a non-toxic agent be introduced to the food chain and its transmission mapped in-the-wild?

From our perspective, such things should never occur and our countries have signed and ratified the Geneva Convention in the 1920s and the Biological Weapons Convention in the mid-70s. From the perspective of national security, would the greater good allow for small-scale experiments even though they would be against the letter and spirit of various Treaties?

The stakes here would be sky-high and the potential loss-of-face on the international stage would make it a very dark operation. Whatever really happened, it's a messy business trying to work out the facts from the hearsay.

a reply to: Kandinsky

I lived through one such experiment. Some such I read sys we all carry these 'benign' germs around because of that testing.

Germ warfare testing SF Bay Area

a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

Read the link I provided in my reply to Kandinsky…

These researchers say even benign agents can mutate into unpredictable pathogens once exposed to the elements.

Part and parcel for field testing, seems lost on people today. Do a search…

Google

a reply to: intrptr

The germ warfare theory is also a very plausible theory. It happened here in Britain too and carried on for nearly 40 years!

Guardian UK


I listened to Chris O'Brien today, and he seems to think that all of the things we've discussed are possibly going on. This being one of the reasons the media tend to leave it alone. Everyone that could be involved also has plausible deniability. The other being the power and influence of the beef industry. Basically they don't really want people knowing what's going into their fast food and the conditions of how beef is farmed, fattened up, and made into a burger.

O'Brien even entertains animal sacrifice and points to the long ancient traditions of sacrificing cattle and thinking maybe something is behind all that.

It was a lot more complicated than that and I'd have to give it another listen whilst not being distracted by things like having to drive.

The 'Steaks' are very high indeed.

(I'll get my coat after that one!)

a reply to: mirageman

The steaks are high indeed.

Yes, I guess when the cows are being levitated into the alien ships it would be accurate to say the steaks are high!

But seriously, mirage man, great, informative thread as usual, thank you.

I am surprised that no one here has mentioned a theory I've heard a few times that I feel makes a lot of sense.
I've heard it suggested that the fluids removed from the cattle are used in the gestation of human or hybrid embryos stolen from women during abductions.

Knowing as I do that there are indeed aliens, and they do abduct people on a massive scale, combined with the evidence and witness statements, I tend to feel that a good number of the cattle mutilations are alien in nature. Nothing else seems a more plausible explanation.

It's a crazy world when Occam's razor says, "aliens".

a reply to: mirageman

The spate of germ warfare testing isn't necessary anymore because they developed all the nasty they would ever need to wipe humanity off the earth in the event of an exchange of Bio weapons. Thank you cold war science.

In fact it scared them so much Nixon halted all that here and both sides stopped that above ground practice of infecting their own populace with "benign" germs to see how the stuff works.

a reply to: mirageman

Believe it or not I tend to ignore a lot of what Linda Howe talks about because I can't stand her stilted ,staccato interview technique (I've heard her on C2C too many times now). She often sounds like she's reading off a cue card without her spectacles on and also ignoring the answer given as she moves on without any real spontaneity.

This caught my attention as well but I do not think it is a live interview technique, she IS reading it from script.

I think she post-edits most of her interviews and over-dubs her questions and responses into the piece. She most likely clarifies, embellishes, and re-phrases a version of what she had originally communicated in the interview. This is what gives it that staccato tone, but as long as she does not significantly change any of the basic questions and answers, it is an acceptable style of journalism and is done for consistency.

As for her content, much of it is interesting, but she does go out on a limb once in a while that I had wished she never traveled. I guess you could also say that about most paranormal and UFO investigators.

a reply to: Scdfa

I am surprised that no one here has mentioned a theory I've heard a few times that I feel makes a lot of sense. I've heard it suggested that the fluids removed from the cattle are used in the gestation of human or hybrid embryos stolen from women during abductions.

Well there are stories about an underground facility at Dulce (and elsewhere) with some very unsavoury things going on. Hybrids being kept in huge vats of red blood like liquid etc. I've even read about abducted humans being fed some strange alien 'cattle product'. Others say the aliens need to absorb blood through their skins and this is why animals are drained.

I personally can't verify any of that. If it's true (even a part of it) then perhaps you have one reason why the governments of the world have to keep it all a secret.

a reply to: charlyv

This caught my attention as well but I do not think it is a live interview technique, she IS reading it from script.

Possibly but I have heard her (Linda Moulton Howe) on another 'live' radio program (although I forget which one it was now) interviewing two of the Rendlesham guys and she still sounded broken and stilted. She also seems to be very gullible or she is financially locked into promoting the 'paranormal' angle.

But I don't want to come down too hard on her because she is obviously a popular presenter on C2C and made her way during a time when journalism was very much a man's world. On a good day she does unearth some interesting stories. Without Linda maybe no one would have paid serious attention to cattle mutilations to this day. So I think she deserves full credit for that. She also had a very prominent role in the film Mirage Men and was perhaps the co-star to a certain Mr. Richard Doty.

Mirageman have you read this? I think you might like it.

Really interesting thread and well put together Mirage.... Richard D Hall has updated his documentary of human and animal mutilations within Great Britain.





Whilst I might not agree with all of Richard's conclusions the guy puts some serious hours into his investigations and is willing to do all the really boring paper and record sifting in order to try and find evidence that might back up what he is told. When someone ranking as high as a Chief Inspector in the police force is in effect, ordered to "back off" and not make waves, you know there's more to the subject than currently being admitted. It's also interesting that Hall was approached by the BBC with the idea of making a documentary on the subject only to be asked to present his conclusions before he'd actually made the film. When he was honest and said, there does seem to be a weight of evidence to support that it cannot be simply natural causes he was told that "That conclusion was unacceptable"; and the documentary was never commissioned.