Indiana Shut Down Its Rural Planned Parenthood Clinics And Got An HIV Outbreak

a reply to: Digital_Reality

So an abortion to save the life of the mother because the pregnancy was threatening to kill her is not an excusable reason to have an abortion?

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: NavyDoc
Because taxpayers deserve the biggest bang for their buck and giving it to a group because it is a sacred cow does not achieve that goal.

You are right. Taxpayers DO deserve the biggest bang for their buck. So if it is cheaper and more effective to help them out on the front end than not helping them out and letting them fall into our prisons or come down with severe health complications that put much strain on our health care system, wouldn't it make sense to go for the former of the two options?

In an austere economy every program gets cuts and every single advocate for every program will tell us just how important their particular piece of the pie is and how it should be the one not to receive a cut. That's the sad part of life, we can't fund everything 100% and planned parenthood as an organization wastes a large amount of the money they get given by the taxpayer and uses a lot of it just to lobby even more money from the taxpayer and as such should be at the bottom of the list because, contrary to their own propaganda, they are not the only game in town.

originally posted by: NavyDoc
contrary to their own propaganda, they are not the only game in town.

They were in Scott County, Indiana.

a reply to: NavyDoc

Yea, because PP is the ONLY organization to do such things... Never mind that that is the prison industrial complex's entire modus operandi. I'd rather put my money towards funding Planned Parenthood and their lobbying efforts than the PIC and their lobbying efforts.

PP is all about saving lives and assisting people who need help. The PIC is all about ruining people's lives.

a reply to: Digital_Reality

There is something you can do. Feed the ones that were not aborted and not wanted either. Human mothers are capable of rejecting babies just like animals. They just neglect the child til they are caught or the child dies of disease or violence.

originally posted by: Elton

originally posted by: NavyDoc
contrary to their own propaganda, they are not the only game in town.

They were in Scott County, Indiana.

NO they weren't there was also a family clinic that did charity work run by a doctor by the name of Cooke. Read back the multiples of news articles in this thread. The only one making this claim is the...wait for it...PP lobbyist who wants more money. All of the other articles do not even mention PP and Dr Cooke and his clinic is at the epicenter of the issue in Austin --where PP did not have a clinic.

Heck, take the PP lobbyist's 6 figure salary and use it instead for the running of the clinic and they would not have had to shut down.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: NavyDoc

Yea, because PP is the ONLY organization to do such things... Never mind that that is the prison industrial complex's entire modus operandi. I'd rather put my money towards funding Planned Parenthood and their lobbying efforts than the PIC and their lobbying efforts.

PP is all about saving lives and assisting people who need help. The PIC is all about ruining people's lives.

LOL. You got to be kidding. PP is all about the financing of PP.

a reply to: NavyDoc

Indiana health workers face HIV outbreak 'with two hands tied behind our back'

This article points out that the clinic you alluded to earlier in Austin wasn't even DOING HIV testing until this outbreak started.

Sherry McNeely has been a nurse at Foundations Family Medicine for four years and was born and raised in Scott County. This week, she is testing patients for HIV for the first time, after receiving state-sponsored training to help respond to the crisis.

It goes on to say that the only place in town to get HIV testing closed in 2013. Guess what the name of that place was?

She said when the city’s Planned Parenthood health center closed in 2013, it left the small town’s many pregnant teenagers with fewer resources for care and support, including its only source for HIV testing.

So basically the reason your clinic is overwhelmed is because the brunt of taking care of this problem fell on their doorstep. By the way this article also highlights many of Indiana's problems with health care financing. Apparently they give so little effs about health care that they don't get federal funding for it.

Yet the amount Indiana spends on public health funding puts it at 37th in the nation, and of every state it receives the least amount of money from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Health Resources and Services Administration, according to the American Public Health Association.

Indiana ranks so low because the state’s public health structure lacks sufficient staffing and resources to qualify for federal funds from agencies that are facing budget cuts.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: NavyDoc

Yea, because PP is the ONLY organization to do such things... Never mind that that is the prison industrial complex's entire modus operandi. I'd rather put my money towards funding Planned Parenthood and their lobbying efforts than the PIC and their lobbying efforts.

PP is all about saving lives and assisting people who need help. The PIC is all about ruining people's lives.

LOL. You got to be kidding. PP is all about the financing of PP.

That sounds amazingly like partisan hyperbole.

Get used to this type of thing.

You want to legalize drugs; then this will get more common, with or without PP. It just will.

And I'm sorry, but I am not for funding the consequences of people's bad choices. Call me cold-hearted all you want, but at this point in time, you have to be a freakin' moron not to know that sharing your needles leads to possible HIV. The sad reality here is that these people were likely so far gone in their addiction that they just didn't care all that much. They likely needed their fix more than they needed to avoid HIV.

You can talk all you want about legalizing and cleaning up the drug trade, but this kind of problem will not be fixed by it. People will get this down and out, and your only choices then are going to be to continue to enable them in their addiction with tax payer dollars or accept that a certain percentage of people are going to do stupid, reckless stuff like this rather than take steps to heal their addiction. And they will get HIV and they will die.

a reply to: ketsuko

Are you aware that the source of most of these recent heroin addictions is from people who were on prescription pills but can no longer get them anymore?

Prescription Drug Abuse Fueling Rise in Heroin Addiction

How much are you willing to bet that many of these people were upstanding people who ended up hooked on pharmaceutical poison, get cut off, then went and seek out heroin? Do you think it is likely that they started sharing needles because they didn't have a reliable place to obtain clean ones? If this happened to one of your family members, would you be singing the same tune?

a reply to: Aazadan

Who said anything about killing them??? Ah wait....that was you that said that.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

*sigh* They are both examples of poor behavior based on choices.

Someone will choose to run a red light.
Someone will choose to take drugs.
Both are the choice of the person. Both are poor choices. Both usually have negative outcomes. Yet, it is amazing that people are surprised when they consequences of their actions bring about the negative results that can be seen by anyone with half a brain and at least one working eye.


Here is a simple simple life lesson. If you don't want to become addicted to drugs......don't do drugs. If you don't want to get pregnant....don't have sex. If you don't want to contract HIV....don't share needles. If you don't want to wreck your vehicle...don't run red lights.


The whole woes me attitude towards people is exactly the reason why we are at this point in society. People are no longer shameful for their bad actions. It is all just "Well, he had such a bad life" and "his mommy didn't love him". Absolutely no personal responsibility.

And offering free condoms or free needles has yet to "help" anyone stop those actions that produce bad results. In fact it only enables them to continue, just in a "safe" manner because after all, they will just do drugs or have sex anyways. I mean come on...

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Digital_Reality

There is something you can do. Feed the ones that were not aborted and not wanted either. Human mothers are capable of rejecting babies just like animals. They just neglect the child til they are caught or the child dies of disease or violence.

Mom-

You are right. There is no arguing with this line of reasoning. Thank you for your input.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Its from HEROIN addicts...come on! Seriously for those who live near by, its VERY common knowledge this is an IV drug user issue, Meth and Heroin, nice job sensationalizing this and calling it a conservative value issue. Folks from both sides just cant help themselves. This problem is endemic throughout the region due to a number of factors, JOBS being one of them.

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: Krazysh0t

*sigh* They are both examples of poor behavior based on choices.

Someone will choose to run a red light.
Someone will choose to take drugs.
Both are the choice of the person. Both are poor choices. Both usually have negative outcomes. Yet, it is amazing that people are surprised when they consequences of their actions bring about the negative results that can be seen by anyone with half a brain and at least one working eye.

Addiction stops becoming a choice and becomes a way of life. Naturally, the first couple of times you use it is a choice, but no one starts using thinking that in a few short years they will be living on the street sharing needles and wondering when their turn to kick the bucket is going to happen. That is something that only occurs when you are DEEP in the throes of addiction. Also, not everyone who uses becomes addicted.

Here is a simple simple life lesson. If you don't want to become addicted to drugs......don't do drugs. If you don't want to get pregnant....don't have sex. If you don't want to contract HIV....don't share needles. If you don't want to wreck your vehicle...don't run red lights.

The abstinence argument has been proven to be largely ineffective. In fact, it is even causing the OPPOSITE of its intended effect.
Abstinence isn’t working
Abstinence sex education doesn't work. It teaches lies to ill-informed virgins
These two articles are about abstinence only sex education, but the concept are the same when applying them to the "just say no" rhetoric of not doing drugs.

The whole woes me attitude towards people is exactly the reason why we are at this point in society. People are no longer shameful for their bad actions. It is all just "Well, he had such a bad life" and "his mommy didn't love him". Absolutely no personal responsibility.

No personal responsibility? You are acting like I want to give these addicts the world. I'd just like to see it so that we make sure that they aren't dying on our streets.

And offering free condoms or free needles has yet to "help" anyone stop those actions that produce bad results. In fact it only enables them to continue, just in a "safe" manner because after all, they will just do drugs or have sex anyways. I mean come on...

If they are going to do these things anyways, wouldn't it make sense to make sure they are safe when doing it? The condom argument is especially silly. The result of not using a condom can not only ruin your life, but ruin your partner's life and even possibly a brand new person's life. I'd rather that someone about to engage in sex gets a free condom then have to worry about supporting them when they try to raise a child on a crappy income and have to rely on welfare programs to do it.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Its from HEROIN addicts...come on!

Oh? Are heroin addicts not people now? They don't deserve to be respected anymore because they are falling to a debilitating mental and chemical addiction?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Cant miss a shot can you? Nobody said that...but the title of your thread is misleading, I mean I live in Western Ohio and Indiana is in my managed territory, WE ALL KNOW what the problem is, democrat OR Republican, or in my case neither. People need to stop trying to get people riled up by lying. Its on the radio all day every day...has nothing to do with your headline.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: NavyDoc

Yea, because PP is the ONLY organization to do such things... Never mind that that is the prison industrial complex's entire modus operandi. I'd rather put my money towards funding Planned Parenthood and their lobbying efforts than the PIC and their lobbying efforts.

PP is all about saving lives and assisting people who need help. The PIC is all about ruining people's lives.

LOL. You got to be kidding. PP is all about the financing of PP.

That sounds amazingly like partisan hyperbole.

And your point isn't?

I'm for fiscal responsibility and feeding tax dollars to a partisan special interest group is not part of fiscal responsibility.

a reply to: BlueJacket

Well first off, I have not once in this entire thread said either of these two words: "Democrat" or "Republican". Nor am I lying. I posted an article (where the title of the thread is the title of the article) that pointed out the connection between getting rid of the PP clinic in the neighborhood (the ONLY source of HIV testing in the area) and the subsequent rise in HIV cases.

If you have anything to add to the thread besides "Nuh huh! You're wrong!" then please do, otherwise I have other people giving me credible arguments that I'd rather respond to.