Indiana Shut Down Its Rural Planned Parenthood Clinics And Got An HIV Outbreak

I humbly thank the taxpayers for the opportunity to get help if I have a stroke. I personally do not qualify for a subsidy, but because of obamacare in my state the premiums are affordable.

a reply to: MOMof3

Wrong thread. Are you following me?

a reply to: macman

I was replying to your snarky comment on another thread. Don't flatter yourself.

a reply to: MOMof3

Yet you happened into this thread.

Interesting.

a reply to: macman

That is such a naive way of looking at it. It ignores things like your social environment, your mental stability (people with mental illnesses are predisposed to seek out drugs to help them cope), your exposure rate to the drugs, etc. Naturally, not doing drugs is an easy choice to make if you are a perfectly healthy person and never around them, but not everyone is like that.

Did you know that the largest group of meth addicts are working poor? People working in the service industry or the trucking industry. Many start using to make their shifts go by easier.

You want SOOO desperately to boil down drug use to a simple choice, when it is anything BUT a simple choice for most people. Then when addiction sets in, it stops becoming a choice and just becomes an inevitability.

Your drug education is seriously outdated. That's why I say you'd be right at home in the 1980's Just Say No campaign. Too bad for you, it's been proven to be SERIOUSLY ineffective and created more users than prevented from starting.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Lots of 1990s driven social justice talking points, mixed in with the 2000s excuses for lack of personal responsibility.

My experience with people using drugs is pretty vast. Drug counselor parent, LE, drug task forces, youth teacher, trade mentor to youth, throwing and actually DJ'ing at Raves during the last part of the 2000s and into the 2010, dealing with long haul truck drivers, being around straight edgers and drug users and so on.....

So, what was that about lack of experience or knowledge you were talking about?

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Lots of 1990s driven social justice talking points, mixed in with the 2000s excuses for lack of personal responsibility.

My experience with people using drugs is pretty vast. Drug counselor parent, LE, drug task forces, youth teacher, trade mentor to youth, throwing and actually DJ'ing at Raves during the last part of the 2000s and into the 2010, dealing with long haul truck drivers, being around straight edgers and drug users and so on.....

So, what was that about lack of experience or knowledge you were talking about?

I view experience with drugs from a law enforcement and drug task force perspective as rather biased. Many LEO's still push the outdated 1980's drug hyperbole as truth. Considering that, I'd wager that precincts still educate their LEO's to say those things. Thus I take anything drug related coming from an LEO with a grain of salt. No offense or anything. Even LEO's that are part of LEAP may not be privy to all the truths about drugs. It's hard to break the mental conditioning that comes from years of being told lies about drugs and how they work.

The rest of your "experience" can be chalked up as anecdotal as well. Nothing you said speaks towards you obtaining an education in what causes drug users to seek drugs out. All your experience appears to be about treating drug use after the fact.

As a corollary, I am VERY passioned about this topic. I want to cut through the hyperbole and lies and get to the crux of the issue. I recognize that what we are doing now is only making everything worse. I have read up on MUCH scientific research on drug use and drug user behavior. I've educated myself considerably on the history of the drug war.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So, you bemoan my experience and knowledge (being with LE, drug culture, youth training, dealing with drug users and drug dealers and drug producers) , and attempt to trump it with you "reading" up on this?

Yep....ya got me for sure.

a reply to: macman

Considering our conversation so far and your continual saying of drug inaccuracies, I'd say it is justified.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Based on all the books you have read.

Congratulations. You have formed your worldly opinion based on reading some books. Fantastic.

originally posted by: macman
a reply to: Krazysh0t
My experience with people using drugs is pretty vast. Drug counselor parent, LE, drug task forces, youth teacher, trade mentor to youth, throwing and actually DJ'ing at Raves during the last part of the 2000s and into the 2010, dealing with long haul truck drivers, being around straight edgers and drug users and so on.....

So, what was that about lack of experience or knowledge you were talking about?

Seriously, this isn't even some personal issue I have with police. But they tend to be one of the most ignorant people in society when it comes to the why and causes of drug use in society, sure they know how to profile people and smell out that herbal smell, there even pretty good at busting in doors after receiving an anonymous tip, but there so called 'expertise' on drug abuse ends there. Problem is, they just spend there days dealing with hardcore criminals, who usually do illegal drugs, then think they got it all worked, when there's actually a whole other picture to the story.

With drug councilors, I'm sure there's some good ones out there, but there's a whole lot more that are just as ignorant as the police. Years ago I had a highly regraded one tell me there was nothing wrong with alcohol, but that cannabis is worse than heroin and that everyone who smokes cannabis regularly will go schizophrenic eventually. She wouldn't even listen to any other reason on the subject.

My point being, is that I really don't think you have as much of a realistic view of the subject as you'd like to think. If you really wanted to get an actual realistic view of it, then maybe you should read a few peer reviewed research papers on 'drug abuse'. Or talk and actually listen to people who have had actual personal experience with it. lol, maybe not long distance truckies though. Mostly good blokes and all, but probably better to talk to people with an average IQ over 100............. Just saying.

a reply to: macman

Well I am not allowed to talk about my personal experiences with drugs and addiction since it is against the T&C, so as far as you are concerned, yes I know quite a bit from research. The books I read happen to be research articles though. Not just some random musings of various stoners.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Exactly. This is what I'm getting at. LEO experience with drugs tends to be pretty biased since they still teach much of the made up hyperbole about drugs to cops so they don't question why they are arresting someone for a non-violent crime.

Being a member of LEAP helps, but confirmation biases are tough to shake. I imagine that there are quite a few LEO's in LEAP that still think some drug lies are fact just because they haven't completely educated themselves on the subject.

Me. I've seen first hand that things said about drugs are lies. When I saw that; it rose doubts in me for the harder stuff. That is where my research came in. Sure enough. Just about all we know about drugs is made up horses# that the government pushed to scare people from using.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
LEO experience with drugs tends to be pretty biased since they still teach much of the made up hyperbole about drugs to cops so they don't question why they are arresting someone for a non-violent crime.

Heck, I'm still trying to figure out how somebody who works as a LEO, and may well have a military pension is not dependent on the government? Is it free-lance?

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

And who says I haven't read papers on this?

Man, you guys here truly are ignorant.

Maybe, just maybe my interactions within LE dealing with the drug task forces I was assigned with formed my opinion of drug laws.

a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

How about this. Why not have a pair and just ask, instead of passive aggressively beating around the bush.

I am no longer an LEO.

I did not retire from the military.

How exactly am I "dependent" upon the Govt again?

Not very hard if you just ask.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So again...your "personal" experiences with drugs and reading some books is your vast knowledge on the subject.

I say again. Fantastic for you.

a reply to: macman

Are you a member of LEAP?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I am no longer within the LE career field. But...it seems to be a very interesting organization. I will have to take an en-depth look in a bit.

a reply to: macman

You can be ex-law enforcement and still join leap. It isn't for active duty only.