Showing how the first pyramids of ancient Egypt may be 19,000 years old

a reply to: Develo

There are no Egyptian records written on stone or papyrus that claim to know who, how, or when the pyramids were built. The designations of Khufu, Cheops, and Mycerinus were given by Egyptologists. The reason these three are named as the builders is because of a single cartouche of Khufu located in an obscure area above the "king's chamber" in the Great Pyramid. Unless you're privy to some information that the rest of us aren't, you're completely wrong.

originally posted by: Wolfenz
for a Full Circle of the 4 major Constellations. as some speculate the if you draw a Circle in the in and outer Edge it would be the measured the Distance its claimed to be the Distance of the Speed Of Light.. more of a Mystery ..

Yep, it is a mystery isn't it. I mean what is the distance of the speed of light?

originally posted by: Wolfenzbut for to be a Tomb and having just 20 years for the pyramid to be built.. because of a Particular Pharaoh.. I think Not...

There's no accounting for ego.
I find that notion far more parsimonious than some misguided Theosophical thinking (or lack of) coinciding with lack of evidence including the pollen record, for advanced ancient civilisations.

a reply to: ShadowsOfEridu

Unless you can prove this cartouche is a fabrication, there is nothing indicating the pyramids are thousands of years older.

Also this is completely ignoring all the others pyramids found all over Egypt that give us a good understanding of this tradition and how it evolved over time.

We have painting of Egyptians doing stonework and moving huge statues. Finally the pyramids are not perfect architectural wonders. They are basically nothing but a stone covering over a pile of rubbles. If it was the feat of an advanced civilization pyramids would be fully made out of stone blocks. They are very far from that.



Your doubts are in no way supporting the theory that pyramids are 19.000 years old.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Variable

The sphinx is even older than the pyramids. you can tell that from the erosion on it. It happenned when it was wetter.

Some theories from certain people here suggest we might be the 5th itheration of humanity to exist here.

Yes, I watched a documentary about that, and there is much
evidence from what they showed that indeed The Egyptians
probably never even built The Sphinx or The Great pyramid,
they probably just found there partially buried in the sand.

It would seem that The Sphinx existed for (I don't remember) several
thousand years in a tropical environment, maybe longer.

And to The OP,
I gave you a star and a flag also, its a fascinating
subject for me.

In the documentary however, although they did line up
Orion's Belt over the Three pyramids, it would have been
a very long time ago, but need not be explained by a
cataclysm, The normal Procession of The Equinox (I think)
had in the past and would again put Orion over that area,
as well as another structure, I'm sorry its been a long time
since I watched, but it was fascinating, I think in China or
something like that, that was built in a similar arrangement,
and lined up for the same year way back in the past.

Sorry, I wasn't able to very specific on this post,
great post and great reply.

Rebel 5

a reply to: Scott Creighton

maybe, but there are some things to consider:

“You read books and find statements that such and such a society or archeological site is (claimed to be) 20,000 years old. We learn rather abruptly that these numbers, these ancient ages, are not known (speculations and imaginative guesses); in fact, it is about the time of the First Dynasty in Egypt that the last (earliest) historical date of any any real certainty has been established.”
Willard Libby, Nobel Laureate for development of radiocarbon dating


"According to astronomical observations, galaxies like our own experience about one supernova (a violently-exploding star) every 30 years. The gas and dust remnants from such explosions (like the Crab Nebula) expand outward rapidly and should remain visible for over a million years. Yet the nearby parts of our galaxy in which we could observe such gas and dust shells contain only about 200 supernova remnants. That number is consistent with only about 7,000 years worth of supernovas."

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein

originally posted by: dr1234
a reply to: MysterX

Bro, try to unserstans physixs at a basic level before trying to rewrite history based on a flawed understanding of physics. Giod lord this is an embarrassing thread.

If you are going to bash someone, please use proper grammar! (If yous gonna be bashing peeps, spells dem wordz coretlily)

Geesh the gall of some people just amuse me! (this line isn't for you, unless you want to google gall)

Very well said Sir That made me smile....quite alot

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Variable

The sphinx is even older than the pyramids. you can tell that from the erosion on it. It happenned when it was wetter.

Some theories from certain people here suggest we might be the 5th itheration of humanity to exist here.

Ever hear of the "Book of Dyzan"? It was included in the book "Isis Unveiled" by Madam Blavatsky(sp?). I was rather interesting, and spoke of the 5 ages or races of Terrestrial/human life, according to that we should be entering the 5th age now.

And, that erosion...best way to tell how old the Pyramids are...perhaps the only real way.

May I make a suggestion? I actually enjoy downloading your files, I can view them without the buffering lag. However while the information is very good. It doesn't keep ones attention. I looked at many of your posts and while information and research is your strength, I struggled to grasp the material not because it was too complicated but, the videos were such that it takes the entire video for you to explain.

My suggestion is to give your theory and then elaborate. I found myself pausing and rewinding your videos every time anything went on in the room around me.

Please consider this as constructive criticism, it is sincerely how I intended it. I won't compare you to anyone... however I'd like to share that when i learn something I get excited about I call my children to learn with me. Your videos caused my kids to walk out and say they were done learning.

Another thing I wanted to point out is by binge viewing your posts today I noticed the same book or two being referred to. I'd like excepts or references. When I'm curios I look for more information. References are standard, even if you're referencimg yourself. By not doing these things you are not the source that comes up in a search.

a reply to: khnum

That theory is based on how much rainfall was in the past till now, not dating at all. It's speculation at best. No structure on the surface of the Earth survived the Flood, and so far, I haven't seen anything to refute that. And if one was to ever find one, one would have to question the evidence very carefully.

originally posted by: aorAki

originally posted by: Wolfenz
for a Full Circle of the 4 major Constellations. as some speculate the if you draw a Circle in the in and outer Edge it would be the measured the Distance its claimed to be the Distance of the Speed Of Light.. more of a Mystery ..

Yep, it is a mystery isn't it. I mean what is the distance of the speed of light?

originally posted by: Wolfenzbut for to be a Tomb and having just 20 years for the pyramid to be built.. because of a Particular Pharaoh.. I think Not...

There's no accounting for ego.
I find that notion far more parsimonious than some misguided Theosophical thinking (or lack of) coinciding with lack of evidence including the pollen record, for advanced ancient civilisations.

(1) let me make it more Clearly for you... as I have difficulty of having all the details .. from something
I watched years ago

10) If you draw two circles, one inside, and one outside the base of the Great Pyramid. If you subtract the length of the inside circle from the length of the outside circle, you get the Speed of Light at 299,792458, this is the number in the pyramid: 299,79

Pi, Golden Ratio and Speed of Light encoded into Great Pyramid
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Well this is Interesting ...

The Speed of Light and The Great Pyramid
www.youtube.com...

Published on Nov 3, 2012

UPDATE: Google have changed the way they project the Geodetics. The coordinate in the video no longer shows the same location. Here is an alternative coordinate still showing the Speed of Light: "29.9792458, 31.1338658". This only shows us that 31.1338658 is not critical to the data. What is important is the latitude distance between the Equator (defined by the Equinoxes) and The Great Pyramid = 29.9792458.

When we know so little about the Pyramids, we should keep an open mind and not automatically dismiss this as coincidence.

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The Speed of Light as shown by The Great Pyramid in 3 simple steps:

1. Go to Google Maps.
2. Enter the following: 29.9792458, 31.134417, these are the decimalised Latitude(N/S)/Longitude(E/W) coordinates for The Great Pyramid.
3. Take the first number (29.9792458) and search, removing the decimal place.
= The Speed of Light in meters/second (299,792,458)

The second number (31.134417) is the longitude distance between the current prime meridian (Greenwich) and The Great Pyramid.

The next logical question is... What is a meter?

Using the US National Institute of Standards and Technology... physics.nist.gov...

A meter can be defined as follows:
"The meter is the length of the path travelled by light in vacuum during a time interval of 1/299792458 of a second."

Its hard to Date Stone without something totally organic.. mixed into it

On A Curious Note has Any Scientist Found any flakes of metal from the Precise Cut Blocks ?? at Giza ? Puma Punku ? Some Bactria.. like eating certain types of metal that rust!

Microbial corrosion
microbewiki.kenyon.edu...

and WHAT did the Egyptians have for tools in the Stages in the Iron Age ? Bronze Age ?

Iron Age
en.wikipedia.org...

Bronze Age
en.wikipedia.org...

as the History Books claim the Ages of the Main Great Pyramids of Giza are about 3,200 B.C.

So that Right There ... Would Place The Construction in the Bronze Age..

tho some claim that the Pyramids are way older...

How Old Are The Pyramids?
www.pbs.org...

Love those Unexplained Sites Giza, Puma Punku, and last Göbekli Tepe the only confirmed to be 11 to 12 thousand years old

The info is out there, the problem is they are looking for ways to push the information one way, but truth is undeniable. Personally I welcome all information, but alot of folks only look to familiar sources. look harder and you will find it

a reply to: Develo

Hello Develo,

Thank you for your post.

Develo: This is totally a case of classical unsupported conspiracy theory mixed with wishful thinking and you or Scott are most welcome to prove me wrong.

SC: If you accept the conventional view of these ancient monuments then that is, of course, your prerogative. It is not for I or anyone else to prove you (thereby conventional Egyptology) "wrong". Rather, it is for conventional Egyptology to present the hard evidence that proves their own case i.e. that these monuments were conceived and built as tombs in the midde of the 3rd millennium BCE.

Develo: I guess you could easily prove how all the cartouches found inside the pyramids are fabricated.

SC: Yes, I can. The evidence showing that the Khufu cartouche and the Khnum-Khuf cartouches we observe in the relieving chambers of the Great Pyramid are nineteenth century fakes will be presented in my forthcoming book, 'Great Pyramid Hoax' (Bear & Co., 2016). Some of that evidence is presented in my recent book, 'The Secret Chamber of Osiris' (Bear & Co., Dec 2014). You can also find some of it presented here in my ATS Forum.

Regards,

SC

a reply to: Scott Creighton

Thank you for your answers.

Could you also please tell me your opinion about these other facts:

Let's set the Great Pyramids aside for a second. There is a long and documented tradition of pyramid building in Egypt. We can see the evolution of the architectural styles and techniques. We can see the traces of the quarry sites or where the workers were living. We have documents about the accounting regarding pyramids construction and we can fit all these findings into the timeline of the different dynasties.

How does all that fit into your theory? Why is it OK for Egyptians to build more than a hundred pyramids around 2500-2000 BCE, but not the Great Pyramids?





Also why would an advanced early civilization build the great pyramid as merely a pile of rubble covered by massive stones. Surely if they were advanced they could build an all-stone pyramid, which would be much more solid.



Finally, where are the remains of the cities of that civilization?

We can find things as insignificant as a campsite from neolithic hunters, but we are unable to find even one city from that supposed civilization?

Are you suggesting archaeologists are so incompetent they can only find cities when they are less than 10.000 years old, but then how come they have no problems finding small clay items from 30.000 years ago but not a single city?

Even if you assume some kind of cataclysm, if such a cataclysm did not even destroy the sphinx or pyramids, surely it wouldn't completely wipe out a city neither. Where is the 19.000 year old city that existed close to the pyramids?


You have to admit your claims are a bit crazy to a critical mind

originally posted by: Develo
a reply to: Firefly_

What I would like to know about such theories about "previous human races", advanced in technologies and destroyed by cataclysms, is how they forgot how to write, how to draw, etc... ?

If someone can enlighten me?

Society has failed.
Trains no longer run.
Goods are no longer transported.
Gasoline has run dry.
Electricity begins to fail.
Cars no longer run.
Lights no longer illuminate.

The loud noises and lights that once kept predatory animals away, silent.

How long is it before the wolves come down from the hills?
Before stray dogs see you as a food source?

Spend three generations in a cave.
Calculus, trigonometry? Gone.
Thermodynamics? Gone.
Electric current? Gone.

If I dropped you off in the woods with an axe...how long before you can send me an email?

Cataclysms, wars, floods, it doesn't make people forget how to speak or how to write. The human species is resilient

See above.

nod to joe rogan

originally posted by: bluetrees

See above.

nod to joe rogan

I'm sorry but no. Americans always believe that as soon as you have a small issue everything goes down mad max style.

Sorry but it's fiction. Just your own fears as a society.

There are plenty of people who lived in warzones for decades, countries ravaged by cataclysm, mankind IS resilient, whether you accept it or not. If you lived in a country ravaged by 2 world wars you would actually know each destruction is actually a strong opportunity for rebuilding society even better.

Heck you claim "Spend three generations in a cave.
Calculus, trigonometry? Gone. ". Neolothic people lived in caves for thousands of years and never forgot their language, their traditions, their techniques. Sorry but your claim are false.

Modern comfort is not our culture nor knowledge. Humans do not need electricity or cars to learn to write, to build monuments our to plant crops. Sorry but this is BS. Comfort is mainly modern and not a pre-requisite for civilization to prosper.



Even the tribes still living in the Amazon forest are proving you wrong. They live with minimal food and comfort and yet they never forgot their cultures and techniques. And they don't even write usually!



Sorry, no matter how strong a cataclysm is, unless all humans are dead, it would NEVER wipe out all memories of cultures and technology.

originally posted by: bluetrees
If I dropped you off in the woods with an axe...how long before you can send me an email?

Why would sending an email be a proof of my skills, knowledge or culture?

Drop me in the wood with an axe and I can rebuild a small community from where we can start again.

I have no idea why people like you are so afraid of living outside? People have been doing this for thousands of years and it never prevented from developing a culture and knowledge.

originally posted by: Develo

originally posted by: bluetrees

See above.

nod to joe rogan

I'm sorry but no. Americans always believe that as soon as you have a small issue everything goes down mad max style.

Sorry but it's fiction. Just your own fears as a society.

There are plenty of people who lived in warzones for decades, countries ravaged by cataclysm, mankind IS resilient, whether you accept it or not. If you lived in a country ravaged by 2 world wars you would actually know each destruction is actually a strong opportunity for rebuilding society even better.

There are people who have lived in war torn areas for decades that still keep a foothold in modern society.
They have the rest of the world to rely on. What happens when there isn't a neighbouring country?

Heck you claim "Spend three generations in a cave.
Calculus, trigonometry? Gone. ". Neolothic people lived in caves for thousands of years and never forgot their language, their traditions, their techniques. Sorry but your claim are false.

Modern comfort is not our culture nor knowledge. Humans do not need electricity or cars to learn to write, to build monuments our to plant crops. Sorry but this is BS. Comfort is mainly modern and not a pre-requisite for civilization to prosper.

Oral tradition (stories) and hunting techniques as well as primitive building skills do not prove anything. Give a child some wooden blocks and he'll design you a monument.

Explain to me, without using Google or a text book, how your smartphone touchscreen works. I would like the software code and hardware required.

Again, if I drop you off in the woods with an axe...how long before you can send me an email?

Telling moral guidance stories and hunting techniques is vastly different than advanced mathematics and engineering.

I agree. Humans do not need electricity or modern creature comforts to complete such tasks. I am not sure where you pulled this from. Strange tangent.
When in doubt. Argue points not even made

Even the tribes still living in the Amazon forest are proving you wrong. They live with minimal food and comfort and yet they never forgot their cultures and techniques. And they don't even write usually!

Oh? Perhaps I should ask them how to build a touchscreen. Could they even fathom what I was describing? You would have to explain it in terms they would understand. This is why the ark of the covenent is described as it is or any other ancient relic with mystery powers.

Sorry, no matter how strong a cataclysm is, unless all humans are dead, it would NEVER wipe out all memories of cultures and technology.

I consider the cataclysm to be the last ice age. A two mile thick ice sheet is going to ground what ever is under it, into dust. Think of a mortar and pestle type of effect.

a reply to: Develo

I thought I was making a point on losing knowledge over the course of a few generations. This has nothing to do with being able to build shelter.

I would not be worried about living in the woods without creature comforts. I would prefer to reset this game.

But, again, I was talking about losing technology to time. In your community, how many are engineers able to create and harness electricity? What happens when he dies?

Your community would thrive but knowledge would ultimately be lost.

originally posted by: Scott Creighton
Hi ATS,

It is my strongly-held belief that our species is much, much older and its origins more mysterious than many of us have been lead to believe by conventional wisdom. And science, it seems, is starting to agree:

originally posted by: Develo

You mean Sapiens is older than 200.000 years?
You mean Erectus is older than 2 millions years?


Damn, man. That's crazy!

Or maybe you mean you don't really understand what you talk about and mix "the origins of our species" with "the first civilizations"?


Yes, seems to be the case:

Yeah, crazy!

Fossil jawbone of 2.8 million-year-old human ancestor discovered

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Anatomically modern human remains 400 000 years old?

newsfeed.time.com...

These finds need to be properly evaluated by the scientific community and perhaps we need corroborating finds before they can be fully accepted, in order to re-write the history books.

I guess what I'm saying is, you can't use dates like this to try to crash Creighton's theory. If you look at the history of archaeology, it is constantly pushing evolutionary dates back as we learn more and refine our search and dating methods. Science isn't a dogma, it is a constant work in progress.