Guide to the FLAT EARTH

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Lazarus Short

So you can't argue the topic. Shocker.

Can any of you?

Thinking this thread over, it occurs to me that the world, the Earth, is not obligated to conform to YOUR concept of it, nor to my concept of it.

a reply to: Lazarus Short
It's not. Defend the theory or refute the info I've presented.

We have nothing else to talk about in this thread.

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Lazarus Short
It's not. Defend the theory or refute the info I've presented.

We have nothing else to talk about in this thread.

I don't care to defend or refute either proposition. Yes, we have nothing else to talk about. Go find another thread. Better yet, start your second thread. You can think of something, surely.

originally posted by: Lazarus Short

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Lazarus Short

So you can't argue the topic. Shocker.

Can any of you?

Thinking this thread over, it occurs to me that the world, the Earth, is not obligated to conform to YOUR concept of it, nor to my concept of it.

You are correct. Shouldn't our concept conform to the evidence?

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation

originally posted by: Lazarus Short

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Lazarus Short

So you can't argue the topic. Shocker.

Can any of you?

Thinking this thread over, it occurs to me that the world, the Earth, is not obligated to conform to YOUR concept of it, nor to my concept of it.

You are correct. Shouldn't our concept conform to the evidence?

Conform? Yes, but it must take into account ALL the evidence, not just what fits our theory. It's slippery stuff.

a reply to: Lazarus Short

Conform? Yes, but it must take into account ALL the evidence, not just what fits our theory.

FE pushers refuse to do so, hence much frustration.

It's slippery stuff.

It would seem so, to those only trying to grasp the snake oil coated stuff.

The Powers That Be have lied so many times that you're not willing to believe that the Earth is ROUND ?

Take a look at a nearby planet (Mars) for instance through a telescope.

You'll figure it out.

originally posted by: Lazarus Short

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation

originally posted by: Lazarus Short

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: Lazarus Short

So you can't argue the topic. Shocker.

Can any of you?

Thinking this thread over, it occurs to me that the world, the Earth, is not obligated to conform to YOUR concept of it, nor to my concept of it.

You are correct. Shouldn't our concept conform to the evidence?

Conform? Yes, but it must take into account ALL the evidence, not just what fits our theory. It's slippery stuff.

...And ALL the evidence quite clearly shows the flat Earth "theory" to be utterly nonsensical.

Attention Please -

Please remember this is in the Skunk Works forum, which is intended for theories that are outside the norm.

All thoughts are welcome and even heated debate is fine, but the key idea here is everyone's thoughts are welcome and need not agree with others opinions on the topic.

Other members or opinions of them are never on topic in any forum. Please limit debate to the topic and only the topic.

The Skunk Works Forum Rules

As mentioned, this forum is for your most outlandish and extreme speculative conspiracy theory ideas. The intent is for like-minded members to engage in collaborative discussions about these theories in an environment that embraces and encourages extreme thought.

We certainly do not want to discourage the involvement of helpful critical analysis and skeptical thought, this will always be a very important part of collaboration on ATS. However, we will be strict in managing the tone and style of such exchanges. Please keep your critical involvement to helpful focus on issues, facts, and analysis of possibilities, and do not engage in disruptive character attacks, snipes, and insults in any way. Any such activity will result in a warning and removal of your post.


The "back to basics" idea is a throw-back to the early days of ATS where there were only a handful of people engaged in these more speculative exchanges. While it's very important that ATS maintain it's reputation as a place where logic, critical analysis and even skeptical thought are applied to popular conspiracy theories, it's also important to embrace the ability to incubate new ideas and theories. The Skunk Works Forum is this incubator for your theories and ideas.

Thank you, and have at it!

Do not reply to this post.

Blaine91555
Mod and Member

Here you can find GNSS-SDR www.gnss-sdr.org...

It is open source software (source code available from their site) which relies on GPS satellites orbiting a spherical planet and takes into consideration general relativity. Unsurprisingly it works and due to the open source nature no one can claim it is a trick or presenting false information.

You can even get the software running with a cheap $20 dongle used for SDR

gnss-sdr.org...

Nothing is being concealed, it's open source and open for scrutinisation. How do FE believers explain this?

Just finished watching the ISS pass by.

iss.astroviewer.net...

I still can't see a way to fit its path as a circle onto a FE 'map'. Anyone else have any luck with that?

#collaborativespirit

a reply to: DenyObfuscation

Hello DenyObfuscation again,

You have been with this thread pretty much since the beginning, so based on that I will guess that you might have actually read all my posts?

From my understanding, regarding the flat earth theories and what I have researched, the claim is that all satellites and the ISS are fake,

But you should know this already as I stated this HERE in a reply to one off your earlier posts in this thread.

3 off the biggest questions I have and also find interesting is that:
1. then all space travel over the last 50+ years would have to have been faked, and by any means that is one seriously big cover up, and I am fully aware how unlikely that is, but if one does research one can find official NASA videos regarding the shuttles and ISS which IMO are clearly faked, but just because some are faked, it is still a massive claim to say all are fake and the whole NASA and other space programs are fake as well.

The problem is with your link, if we are looking at the flat earth theory is can that information be trusted to be true?

Orbital data provided by NASA

From your link.

As I stated above, NASA would be behind the hoax.

Just to keep in on topic a bit regarding the ISS, what I have found more interesting regarding the ISS, why, IMO, are we seeing some obvious fakes off official videos off the ISS including space walks and alleged astronauts inside the ISS.
A quick google search for example of, ISS HOAX, ISS permed hair, will produce some off the more famous, and there are many more out there,
Why would they need to fake this? and if NASA are lying about the ISS why would I trust anything they have to say. (See my sig)
Now is this related to the flat earth theory? maybe, IMO they are hiding something.

Thanks.

a reply to: TheDon

I didn't choose to comment until relatively late, but I too have been following this thread since the beginning, and have read every post, including each of yours. I've already mentioned it before, but I will again: how can the ISS be "fake", when anyone can observe it pass overhead, with their own, unaided eyes?

originally posted by: TheDon
a reply to: DenyObfuscation

Hello DenyObfuscation again,

You have been with this thread pretty much since the beginning, so based on that I will guess that you might have actually read all my posts?

From my understanding, regarding the flat earth theories and what I have researched, the claim is that all satellites and the ISS are fake,

But you should know this already as I stated this HERE in a reply to one off your earlier posts in this thread.

3 off the biggest questions I have and also find interesting is that:
1. then all space travel over the last 50+ years would have to have been faked, and by any means that is one seriously big cover up, and I am fully aware how unlikely that is, but if one does research one can find official NASA videos regarding the shuttles and ISS which IMO are clearly faked, but just because some are faked, it is still a massive claim to say all are fake and the whole NASA and other space programs are fake as well.

The problem is with your link, if we are looking at the flat earth theory is can that information be trusted to be true?

Orbital data provided by NASA

From your link.

As I stated above, NASA would be behind the hoax.

Just to keep in on topic a bit regarding the ISS, what I have found more interesting regarding the ISS, why, IMO, are we seeing some obvious fakes off official videos off the ISS including space walks and alleged astronauts inside the ISS.
A quick google search for example of, ISS HOAX, ISS permed hair, will produce some off the more famous, and there are many more out there,
Why would they need to fake this? and if NASA are lying about the ISS why would I trust anything they have to say. (See my sig)
Now is this related to the flat earth theory? maybe, IMO they are hiding something.

Thanks.

You don't have to trust NASA. You can calculate the keplerian elements for the orbit of the ISS or any other observable satellite yourself from a minimum of three observations.
This is why we can track satellites like the secret X37B - amateur enthusiasts calculate the elements themselves.
It's not some magic that's spoonfed to the unclean masses, just maths and physics.

Once the OTV-2 launched, satellite watchers started scanning the skies for a glimpse of it. Skywatcher Ted Molczan of Toronto developed a set of orbital elements based chiefly on last year's OTV-1 flight to help prospective observers in the search.

And days after the launch, on March 9, Molczan announced that OTV-2 had been sighted by satellite tracker Greg Roberts of Cape Town, South Africa. Roberts spotted the spacecraft "in difficult observing conditions," Molczan reported.

Within days, other observers made sightings as well.

The orbital inclination of the space plane has been determined by Molczan to be 42.8 degrees with respect to Earth's equator, which means it can appear over regions as far north as Boston; as far south as New Zealand's South Island.

It is traveling in an elliptical orbit that measures 214 miles at its high point, or apogee, and 203 miles at its low point, or perigee, and takes 91.1 minutes to circle the globe.

www.nbcnews.com...

Once the orbital elements were calculated it was then possible for amateur telescopes to track and photograph the craft.

www.universetoday.com...

You can learn how to do it yourself, all the information is online. Unsurprisingly it relies on elliptical orbits around a sphere...

I encourage anyone interested to search for keplerian elements, orbital elements and calculating them to see just how much information is out there. Give it a go yourself! You'll learn a lot.

No comment on my post about the open source GPS signal proceasing software BTW? Bit of a sticky one for FE believers as there can be no argument anything is a trick or false and it proves the use of satellites orbiting a sphere...

a reply to: AgentSmith

Hello AgentSmith,

Based on your post, would I be correct in assuming you have not actually read the whole thread or watched any off the videos?

I Ask this because in my OP, I refer to and also comment on the GPS system that I also found interesting whilst researching the flat earth theories.

Nothing is being concealed, it's open source and open for scrutinisation. How do FE believers explain this?

To try and answer your question, the software, is not what is being questioned, it would be the other half, that being the actual GPS system.

The US began the GPS project in 1973 to overcome the limitations of previous navigation systems,[2] integrating ideas from several predecessors, including a number of classified engineering design studies from the 1960s. The U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) developed the system, which originally used 24 satellites. It became fully operational in 1995. Bradford Parkinson, Roger L. Easton, and Ivan A. Getting are credited with inventing it.

Source
So what you have, is basically yet a again like NASA, is a system that is run and owned by the military.


And as you would know or anyone that has or is researching the flat earth theories, the military are key in what we are told is true and what might be true.

Thanks.

a reply to: AgentSmith

Thanks for the info! I may just learn how to calculate such things, as it would be quite interesting!

a reply to: TheDon

Oh and what on Earth are you on about ISS footage being faked? Not understanding does not make it fake, I would suggest you stop watching pathetic videos by pathetic You Tube losers they're not worth your time
The last member I recall speaking like that ended up on the news for shooting the space shuttle commanders wife - senator Giffords.

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance
And as you would know, since you have read all off my posts, one off my biggest problems, with the flat earth theories is that, pretty much everything regarding space, satilites etc would have had to have been faked for the last 50+ years.

Whilst researching I have read theories how this can be done, but they are just theories and can't be proven.

What I can do and also see with my own eyes, is as I have stated, before, look at ISS footage from NASA, and as I have stated, IMO there is alot of official foot which anyone with some video and CGI experience can clearly see is faked.

So the question I ask myself is why?

a reply to: TheDon

I'll go out on a limb and say, yes, perhaps some of the footage could be CGI or otherwise faked. The physical, observable space station orbiting overhead, however, could not be faked using CGI or other such trickery.

a reply to: TheDon

And once again you're failing to understand. The way the system works is not a secret. I've been on your FE forum and the only sticking point in there was that the FE believers kept arguing the GPS receiver may not work as described in reality and displays false information to create an illusion of usinf satellites.

The open source solution destroys your argument and buries it, anyone with a brain could spend the time going through it and see that in order to work it relies on satellites orbiting a sphere. You run the software you've compiled yourself and - it works!
It's not a debate, it's a fact.