Kingdom Wants Nukes Now Too! And So It Begins...

a reply to: IAMTAT

And speculation is fine, just not fact.

Seems like even Isreal Intel suggest they are not building it, but what do they know.

a reply to: Sremmos80

FIRST the enrichment gets completed...THEN the bombs get built. Everyone knows this...(as do you).
19,000 Iranian centrifuges are spinning day and night and Iranian ICBM's are already built and await their payload.

a reply to: IAMTAT

And you know they still have to test it.

Once they test a nuke it's not like next day they are firing at people.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: IAMTAT

And you know they still have to test it.

Once they test a nuke it's not like next day they are firing at people.

Why do they have to test it?

I think America and Russia did enough testing.

Nukes do work.

a reply to: beezzer

That isn't the testing I am talking about.

Or do you think they will just launch the first thing they build at someone?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: beezzer

That isn't the testing I am talking about.

Or do you think they will just launch the first thing they build at someone?

Didn't know they had to launch it in order for it to work.

a reply to: beezzer

And what had stopped them from using one until now? If they are so hell bent on using one, why haven't they?

And are you talking like a suitcase nuke?

We going from not having icbms ready to them having portable nukes?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: beezzer

And what had stopped them from using one until now? If they are so hell bent on using one, why haven't they?

Dunno. Again, I'll be wrong and you'll be right. . . until they use a nuke.

And are you talking like a suitcase nuke?

No. I never said that. Did I?

We going from not having icbms ready to them having portable nukes?

You talking crazy talk now. Dunno what you mean.

Nuclear bombs don't have to fit in a suitcase or missile in order to work.

They can fit in semi's, ships, planes.

But enjoy being right, and I'll suffer being wrong.

And I sincerely hope that never ever changes.

This thread is total nonsense, the claim made by the OP that the US has allowed Iran to obtain nuclear weapons is completely false. The nuclear negations are still ongoing and just because they are called "nuclear negations" doesn't mean they are deciding whether or not Iran should be allowed to create nuclear weapons. They are deciding how extensive their nuclear enrichment program is allowed to be, which will determine how much nuclear energy they can generate. It's all about controlling their nuclear energy program so that it doesn't get sophisticated enough to produce nuclear weapons. The US would never allow Iran to enrich weapons grade uranium, the Obama administration probably gave the thumbs up to Stuxnet for christ sakes.

This is absolutely, completely and totally insane. We would of been better off with Romney or McCain for God's sake.

For Cripe's sake.

Why has the IAEA failed?

Where's the enforcement?

Why all the brand new negotiations?

For Pete's sake already !!!

Well after reading a few pages of this thread it has become highly apparent to me that no one actually cares about logic or facts. Instead it's more important for us to all run around in circles screaming about how scary Iran would be if they had nukes. When asked for proof that they are actually attempting to build nukes we will offer up ONE small IAEA violation which occurred in a deal which expired last year. Then to make it seem more legit we will mention how Iran also has "19,000 uranium enrichment centrifuges" but we will also neglect to mention that those centrifuges are used to produce fuel for legit nuclear reactors and that UN inspections have never found Iran attempting to enrich uranium to a weapons grade standard. To make it seem extra legit we will mention some "secret underground bases" which aren't named but presumably work on building nuclear weapons.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Logic and facts do not play well here. Running around and screaming about half truths, thing people do not understand and outright hoaxs is the order of the day. Time will go and of course they are proven wrong but, by then they do not care because they are on screaming about something else.

Of course Iran does not have a nuke, and of course if they were anywhere close they would complete it announce it and use it negotiations to give themselves some better leverage. Or they would not talk at all. In the end of course Iran will never get a nuke and they know it. So they talk to try and get something in return.

a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Well they are so secret we don't know the names duh.

We just know about them and that that is where the magic is happening.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Sremmos80

FIRST the enrichment gets completed...THEN the bombs get built. Everyone knows this...(as do you).
19,000 Iranian centrifuges are spinning day and night and Iranian ICBM's are already built and await their payload.

You forget the test phase.


You have to test a design.


Thats when the world should intervene.


We would know 100% then but still have time to strike.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: IAMTAT

And you know they still have to test it.

Once they test a nuke it's not like next day they are firing at people.

Why do they have to test it?

I think America and Russia did enough testing.

Nukes do work.

No cause you have to test your design.


There design for a weapon will be diffrent so they have to test its viable.


Look at North Korea they had to test theres and there first test was almost a failure,


Iran could spend billions on builing nukes and they could all end up duds if they dont test.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: crazyewok

Not left. Hmmm. If it quacks like a duck, squats like a duck, waddles like a duck.....

As far as deflection, that's your game. The thread is re the Kingdom. That kingdom has just negated many of your rebuts and posts over time. Must be frustrating....My sympathies.

Here's a thought...start your own Freaking thread on Bush's mistake initiating in Gulf War II instead of Korean War II and see how much agreement you get on that one.

I, for one, am tired of your off-topic deflections...chaulk it up to a bad day....

So being antiwar, anti big goverment and anti international interferance make me left?




Think you need to rethink your definitions.


And how has Saudi Arabia rebutted anything I said?


Why should I trust a thing the saudis do or say?

originally posted by: crazyewok

Thats when the world should intervene.

AND


How exactly do you propose this intervention be carried out without it being perceived as yet more "Western" imperialism/NWO control issues?

I'm no fan of Nuclear proliferation but Iran does have a right to defend itself, that's a given, however having said that and despite the pop culture fallacy about Iran not attacking anybody in 200 years [Overtly] if they want Nukes then they should have no issues if their neighbors fallow suit.

Or, is that not acceptable to them?

Iran doesn't have a nuke. If they did, we'd all know it without question. They sure want some though. No question about it. So I don't blame Saudi Arabia for wanting nukes. They know Iran wants them. And they know Iran is in a proxy war on their borders - Yemen especially. If these nations want nukes, they have a right to make them. But considering the situation and (bronze age) mentality at work over there, once they get them they will use them. It's just a matter of time - that's my prediction.

originally posted by: SLAYER69

originally posted by: crazyewok

Thats when the world should intervene.

AND


How exactly do you propose this intervention be carried out without it being perceived as yet more "Western" imperialism/NWO control issues?

I'm no fan of Nuclear proliferation but Iran does have a right to defend itself, that's a given, however having said that and despite the pop culture fallacy about Iran not attacking anybody in 200 years [Overtly] if they want Nukes then they should have no issues if their neighbors fallow suit.

Or, is that not acceptable to them?

Id ask that queation to the neocons on tnis thread wanting a war NOW!

To be fair?

Im not thrilled on a war in Iran full stop.

But at least if the world waited until there was 100% proof of nukes in the form of a test it makes it alot more palletable.