Kingdom Wants Nukes Now Too! And So It Begins...

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Edumakated
Everyone other than Obama seems to understand that Iranians are nut jobs and MAD does not apply when one side is crazy.

Cause your Sunni allies are so much better right?

Saudi Arabia are a becon of enlightenment to the world......

No, more like the understanding that if you let the Shias get nukes, the Sunnis would want them. If you let the Sunnis get nukes, the Shias would have to have them.

Well, we let the Shias get nukes. So the Sunnis need them. That means every nation in the Middle East will have them.

The only place on earth that would be worse to have a nuclear arms race would be Africa.

Say what you will about the tension of the rest of the world, we aren't daily blowing each other up quite like they do in either the Middle East or Africa. No replace those market place bombs with nukes. I fail to see why you are cheering for anyone there to have them. No one should in those regions.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Edumakated
Everyone other than Obama seems to understand that Iranians are nut jobs and MAD does not apply when one side is crazy.

Cause your Sunni allies are so much better right?

Saudi Arabia are a becon of enlightenment to the world......

Where did I say anything about Saudi's? The fact is that the Saudi's will want nukes if Iran gets nukes. All of them in the region are batshizz crazy, but some are crazier than others. The Saudi's at least have some semblance of civilization and oil money to keep their craziness in check. The issue is that allowing Iran to have nukes will cause every other nut job in the region to want them which is what is happening.

originally posted by: xuenchen
The nations (and organizations like ISIS) with Sunni majorities are coming together.

Watch what happens when they really get organized.

Shi'ite Syria and Iraq will fall.

Iran will stand alone.

Actually, you shouldn't believe the narrative. It's not Sunni vs Shiite, it's Wahabi vs Shiite and Wahabi vs Secular. Remember the 1980-1988 War between Iran & Iraq? Iraq is roughly 60% Shiite, yet the country still fought Shiite Iran. And 10% of the country is Kurdish, who are almost completely Sunnis. Yet Saddam (a Sunni) was attacking the Kurds (Sunnis) while leading the Iraqi people (mostly Shiites) against Iran (mostly Shiites).

It's the same in Libya, another Sunni-majority nation. Many of the "rebels" were Wahabis & hardcore Salafis, fighting against the Sunni-majority Libyan army. And many of those same Wahabis who NATO supported in Libya then went into Mali and were attacked by the West (guess they didn't have orders to go there).

Syria is also a Sunni-majority country while Assad is an Alawite, a branch of Shiite. The majority of the Syrian Army is made of Sunnis and yet they are defending Assad! How can it be Sunni vs Shiite if the Sunnis are defending their Shiite leader? Also, the Kurdish people (mostly Sunnis) are constantly fighting the Wahabi groups like al-Nusra & ISIS!

They only claim it's "Sunni vs Shiite" to make outsiders not want to get involved. It's always been about money, domestic power, and regional influence. It would be the same as international news saying the reason Americans are so anti-illegal immigration is because of the centuries old feud between Catholics (Mexico) & Protestants (America)! Actual Americans would know it has nothing to do with that.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Edumakated
Everyone other than Obama seems to understand that Iranians are nut jobs and MAD does not apply when one side is crazy.

Cause your Sunni allies are so much better right?

Saudi Arabia are a becon of enlightenment to the world......

No, more like the understanding that if you let the Shias get nukes, the Sunnis would want them. If you let the Sunnis get nukes, the Shias would have to have them.

Well, we let the Shias get nukes. So the Sunnis need them. That means every nation in the Middle East will have them.

The only place on earth that would be worse to have a nuclear arms race would be Africa.

Say what you will about the tension of the rest of the world, we aren't daily blowing each other up quite like they do in either the Middle East or Africa. No replace those market place bombs with nukes. I fail to see why you are cheering for anyone there to have them. No one should in those regions.

For the record, Pakistan is a Sunni majority country & already has nukes. And Iran's Supreme Leader has stated many times that Iran doesn't want nukes and that they are forbidden by Islam because of their indiscriminate nature.

originally posted by: Edumakated
Everyone other than Obama seems to understand that Iranians are nut jobs and MAD does not apply when one side is crazy.

This is the way the Democrat think tanks function. It was the same way when Carter was President, let everyone proliferate and depend on MAD at the same time as degrading our own military.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Umm Obama is caving to Iran and allowing them to have nukes? Talk about a bold face lie. In fact the nuclear talks are still on going and won't be completed till the very end of this month.... but I assure you Iran acquiring a nuke or being able to build a nuke is not apart of the deal and if they ever try then deals off and war is on. Good news, all Intel agencies report Iran has no nukes and is building no nukes.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Edumakated
Everyone other than Obama seems to understand that Iranians are nut jobs and MAD does not apply when one side is crazy.

LOL You realize Saudi Arabia is far worse than Iran, right? Look up Wahabism. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are the two biggest sponsors of Wahabi terrorist groups. And it's Saudi Arabia that won't let women drive or go in public without a male guardian's supervision. I'd be waaaay more worried about Saudi Arabia having nukes than Iran. Just imagine Bandar Bush with nukes!

Yep. Saud is one of the most oppressive nations on the planet. But since the US is allied with them this fact is completely ignored by the Iranophobes along with a total ignorance of Persian people and culture.

Irans leaders however, much as our own, are a bunch of ass hats.

All this hopey, changey crap is making me warm inside. No,,, wait,,,, thats just the nuclear blast i feel.
Never mind.

The use of nuclear weapons in the Middle East would confirm man made global warming.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Late to the party but some of us here at ATS saw this coming years ago.

Riyadh and Tehran have been rivals going back quite some time, long before the present talking heads in power. Never mind the obvious Religious crevasse between the historic rivals.

India has Nukes so Pakistan wanted them, Iran wants Nukes so Saudi Arabia wants them.

Meh...

That Sandbox is filling up fast with more than the usual Cat excrement.

Saudi Arabia aquired nukes already back in 2003 from Pakistan.

For the long term ATS'ers, some might remember posts about it at the time.

I cannot find the article anywhere but I clearly remember this did occur.

a reply to: Melbourne_Militia

I think they helped Pakistan fund & develop them with the understanding that Saudi Arabia could acquire them if needed. I don't know how much of that is a bluff though. I will say this though, if the UN lets Saudi Arabia or Qatar get nukes, that's when we're all in trouble.

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Edumakated
Everyone other than Obama seems to understand that Iranians are nut jobs and MAD does not apply when one side is crazy.

Cause your Sunni allies are so much better right?

Saudi Arabia are a becon of enlightenment to the world......

Well, old friend let us compare...
public beheadings and dismemberments:
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Iran-
Saudi Arabia-clear winner Saudi Arabia, publically...

Women's rights? Slight edge Iran...VERY slight edge...

I am curious, however, as to how the Pakistanis feel about this...mostly Sunni (ish) have nukes already. Hate their neighbors...

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: Edumakated
Everyone other than Obama seems to understand that Iranians are nut jobs and MAD does not apply when one side is crazy.

Cause your Sunni allies are so much better right?

Saudi Arabia are a becon of enlightenment to the world......

That was extreme sarcasm right?

Women not covering every inch of their bodies will result in them being eaped all day every day.

Woman can't drive.

Woman can't go to school for higher education.

Woman can't leave the house without a msle family member.

You can GPS track your woman so you can follow hervevery move.

They stone woman for adultery if they get raped.

I mean they are a beacon of reason and sanity in the world.

Sarc/off

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Edumakated
Everyone other than Obama seems to understand that Iranians are nut jobs and MAD does not apply when one side is crazy.

LOL You realize Saudi Arabia is far worse than Iran, right? Look up Wahabism. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are the two biggest sponsors of Wahabi terrorist groups. And it's Saudi Arabia that won't let women drive or go in public without a male guardian's supervision. I'd be waaaay more worried about Saudi Arabia having nukes than Iran. Just imagine Bandar Bush with nukes!

I have to agree.

SA is the epitome of women oppression.

They are so good at it they have it on lock down.

Isis doesn't even cone close in comparrirson.

The 911 highjacking took place with almost all Saudis.

So why did we bomb Iraq and afghan not Saudi?

originally posted by: stosh64
He got to 'fundamentally' change the US, AND the world.

Now there is keeping a campaign promise

he is wicked

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: xuenchen
The nations (and organizations like ISIS) with Sunni majorities are coming together.

Watch what happens when they really get organized.

Shi'ite Syria and Iraq will fall.

Iran will stand alone.

Actually, you shouldn't believe the narrative. It's not Sunni vs Shiite, it's Wahabi vs Shiite and Wahabi vs Secular. Remember the 1980-1988 War between Iran & Iraq? Iraq is roughly 60% Shiite, yet the country still fought Shiite Iran. And 10% of the country is Kurdish, who are almost completely Sunnis. Yet Saddam (a Sunni) was attacking the Kurds (Sunnis) while leading the Iraqi people (mostly Shiites) against Iran (mostly Shiites).

It's the same in Libya, another Sunni-majority nation. Many of the "rebels" were Wahabis & hardcore Salafis, fighting against the Sunni-majority Libyan army. And many of those same Wahabis who NATO supported in Libya then went into Mali and were attacked by the West (guess they didn't have orders to go there).

Syria is also a Sunni-majority country while Assad is an Alawite, a branch of Shiite. The majority of the Syrian Army is made of Sunnis and yet they are defending Assad! How can it be Sunni vs Shiite if the Sunnis are defending their Shiite leader? Also, the Kurdish people (mostly Sunnis) are constantly fighting the Wahabi groups like al-Nusra & ISIS!

They only claim it's "Sunni vs Shiite" to make outsiders not want to get involved. It's always been about money, domestic power, and regional influence. It would be the same as international news saying the reason Americans are so anti-illegal immigration is because of the centuries old feud between Catholics (Mexico) & Protestants (America)! Actual Americans would know it has nothing to do with that.

But that is way to complicated. People like simple, us vs. them, narratives. Not complex real world, factions within factions, narratives.

originally posted by: xuenchen
The use of nuclear weapons in the Middle East would confirm man made global warming.

OMFG!!!!

I just spit out beer that was soo funny and well timed!!!

a reply to: MentorsRiddle

Why should Iran be alllowed wepons. Iran has not started a war in over 200 years..

purp..

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Edumakated
Everyone other than Obama seems to understand that Iranians are nut jobs and MAD does not apply when one side is crazy.

LOL You realize Saudi Arabia is far worse than Iran, right? Look up Wahabism. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are the two biggest sponsors of Wahabi terrorist groups. And it's Saudi Arabia that won't let women drive or go in public without a male guardian's supervision. I'd be waaaay more worried about Saudi Arabia having nukes than Iran. Just imagine Bandar Bush with nukes!

I have to agree.

SA is the epitome of women oppression.

They are so good at it they have it on lock down.

Isis doesn't even cone close in comparrirson.

The 911 highjacking took place with almost all Saudis.

So why did we bomb Iraq and afghan not Saudi?

Honestly?

1. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the rest of the GCC support the Petrodollar.

2. GCC members invest heavily in Western markets and are reliable buyers of Western military equipment.

3. The House of Saud & their fellow Hashemite royal families are pro-Zionism. Officially they are not, but in practice they protect Israeli interests & hate Israel's enemies (from Saddam & Qaddafi to Iran & Assad).

4. Wahabis, Zionists, and most Western intelligence agencies are usually aligned when it comes to the Mideast. Israel doesn't want any strong, unified Muslim opponents. Wahabis don't want any strong, unified, secular or ShiaMuslim governments. And the West doesn't want any strong, unified, independent or "defiant" Muslim governments in the Mideast.

5. Wahabism has a literal blood feud with Shia Islam. This helps Israel and the West's leaders that hate Iran. It also helps because Wahabis can raise independent black ops groups that can attack Israeli or Western targets while giving plausible deniability to our countries.

There are probably more reasons, but as long as these things stay constant, the US will never attack Saudi Arabia.